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Oregon mandates abortion coverage

Henrin said:
Because they want to monitor their pregnancies. Women do not require medical attention when they're pregnant usually speaking.
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I don't go to a doctor when my hair grows. He does not need to monitor it. Women do not go to a doctor when they have their period. What other normal biological functions are people going to the doctor for?
 
Henrin said:
Because they want to monitor their pregnancies. Women do not require medical attention when they're pregnant usually speaking.
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:lamo
 
vegas giants said:
I don't go to a doctor when my hair grows. He does not need to monitor it. Women do not go to a doctor when they have their period. What other normal biological functions are people going to the doctor for?
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I never said women "needed" to monitor their pregnancies, but that women "want" to monitor their pregnancies. As I said, women do not usually require any medical attention during a pregnancy. Heck, they can have birth just about anywhere too. Really, they were having babies in fields well before hospitals came into existence.
 
Henrin said:
I never said anyone "needed" to monitor their pregnancies, but that women "want" to monitor their pregnancies. As I said, women do not usually require any medical attention during a pregnancy. Heck, they can have birth just about anywhere too. Really, they were having babies in fields well before hospitals came into existence.
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Well doctors say women NEED to have prenatal care. Those silly doctors.
 
vegas giants said:
Well doctors say women NEED to have prenatal care. Those silly doctors.
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It's a good idea for a woman to go to the doctor during pregnancy, but it is not usually required.
 
Henrin said:
It's a good idea for a woman to go to the doctor during pregnancy, but it is not usually required.
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Really doctor? Is that your medical opinion?
 
Henrin said:
You don't know its a medical condition because it's not. The idea that a biological function is a medical condition is nonsensical.
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Speaking as someone who is only alive because I had proper monitoring of my pregnancy..........I this is one of the most ignorant statements I have seen.

Possibly you should look up maternal death rates before modern medicine or in places that do not have access to decent health care.
 
I wonder if this will cut down on Medicaid spending.
 
year2late said:
Speaking as someone who is only alive because I had proper monitoring of my pregnancy..........I this is one of the most ignorant statements I have seen.

Possibly you should look up maternal death rates before modern medicine or in places that do not have access to decent health care.
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Things can go wrong during pregnancy that are medical conditions, but the pregnancy itself is not a medical condition.
 
Henrin said:
Things can go wrong during pregnancy that are medical conditions, but the pregnancy itself is not a medical condition.
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Then why does the ICD list it as one?
 
vegas giants said:
Because it is a medical condition. Z3A.xx
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You realize that pregnancy by itself is not on the list, right? Pregnancy is a chapter, but everything under it deals with conditions that could happen during pregnancy.
 
Henrin said:
You realize that pregnancy by itself is not on the list, right? Pregnancy is a chapter, but everything under it deals with disorders or conditions that could happen during pregnancy.
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Wrong. Z3A.xx is for NORMAL pregnancy. Guess what the xx is for?
 
vegas giants said:
Wrong. Z3A.xx is for NORMAL pregnancy. Guess what the xx is for?
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ICD-10 Chapter XV: Pregnancy, childbirth and the puerperium.

That is what you referred too and if you look in that chapter you will only see conditions that could happen during pregnancy, childbirth and puerperium. I'm sorry, but pregnancy by itself is not on the list.
 
Henrin said:
ICD-10 Chapter XV: Pregnancy, childbirth and the puerperium.

That is what you referred too and if you look in that chapter you will only see conditions that could happen during pregnancy, children and puerperium. I'm sorry, but pregnancy by itself is not on the list.
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The tell me what Z3A.08 is?
 
vegas giants said:
What? Oh please. Its 8 weeks of gestation of pregnancy. Please
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Yes, it is. Just like how Z3A.06 is six weeks and Z3A.10 is ten weeks. What's your point?
 
Henrin said:
Yes, it is. Just like how Z3A.06 is six weeks and Z3A.10 is ten weeks. What's your point?
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Uh....that is a medical condition code. Duh. There is no code for hair growth. LOL
 
Henrin said:
You're asking a libertarian these questions, you know.
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Fine, I'll prepare myself for a journey into the imagination.

Considering that abortion rarely has to do with caring there is barely any merit to your argument.
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There you're wrong. Where women care if they will die in pregnancy, abortion is there. Where women care if their other offspring will be deprived of resources, abortion makes sense. Where men care about the lives of women, choice is a political reality.

The problem is that you don't accept that care is a more complex subject than band aids. Caring for women is to help them prevent conditions that radically alter their lives, often for the worse. Again, abortion is a woman's issue.

It's both. Also, I'm not pro-life and I don't want to ban abortion. I don't however think men like myself should have to pay for any abortion ever.
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Why the hell not? Do you refuse to pay for pap smears and mammograms as well? Healthcare is too important to let its boundaries be drawn by religious demagogues. Caring for women extends beyond where their physiology overlaps male physiology and to deny them gender specific health needs is more than cruel, it's profoundly stupid. We will not suffer, as a society, for how much we care for women but, sure enough, we will suffer from a lack of it.

I'm aghast at the persistent myopia around this subject. It's as if people are trying very hard to be bad to women and I don't get it.
 
Henrin said:
Things can go wrong during pregnancy that are medical conditions, but the pregnancy itself is not a medical condition.
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And yet, proper prenatal care -medical care is why I am alive today. A medical doctor saw medical signs even though I felt fine did additional screenings and discovered serious issues.

That is medical care for pregnancy for a condition known as pregnancy.
 
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