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Oregon bakery closes[W:66]

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JC Callender said:
Great, you decorate cakes? Awesome, a man walks in and wants to stick it to his gay boss for making him show up to a holiday party with a dish and wants a cake that says "I hate gays". Are you going to make it? If not why, you decorate cakes and he wants a cake decorated. Even if you don't and he says "give me the cake anyway and I'll put the words on it", are you going to sell it to him?
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There is no law that requires you to make a cake or any product that has a specific phrase written on it, so long as you wouldn't sell that cake/product to anyone. That is the issue you have. What you are trying to demand is a product the baker wouldn't sell to anyone (or might sell to everyone). The bakery in question refused to sell certain products they actually did make to certain people. That is what the law says you cannot do.


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There is no law that requires you to make a cake or any product that has a specific phrase written on it, so long as you wouldn't sell that cake/product to anyone. That is the issue you have. What you are trying to demand is a product the baker wouldn't sell to anyone (or might sell to everyone). The bakery in question refused to sell certain products they actually did make to certain people. That is what the law says you cannot do.

And in fact you can refuse to sell to the person simply for being rude, legally.
 
roguenuke said:
There is no law that requires you to make a cake or any product that has a specific phrase written on it, so long as you wouldn't sell that cake/product to anyone. That is the issue you have. What you are trying to demand is a product the baker wouldn't sell to anyone (or might sell to everyone). The bakery in question refused to sell certain products they actually did make to certain people. That is what the law says you cannot do.


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If you refuse to put "I hate gays" on the cake and the guy says "I'll take the cake anyway and put it on myself", are you still going to sell it to him?
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I think there is a deeper political agenda afoot here.
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You could be right, I just think SOME people dont care about others and they totally support bigotry and treating certain persons as lessers and unless that person is them.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
That would be a law restricting my rights. Somebody's desire to keep their money doesn't supercede my right to take it. And based on your criteria when I asked it is my right.

If you wish to amend your criteria I will allow it.
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:roll: There is quite literally no logic behind that statement. What you speak of is aggression and theft, not rights.
 
JC Callender said:
If you refuse to put "I hate gays" on the cake and the guy says "I'll take the cake anyway and put it on myself", are you still going to sell it to him?
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I might. Legally though, if I were a baker, I'd be under no obligation to do so since the refusal would not be due to his being of a protected class.


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JC Callender said:
If you refuse to put "I hate gays" on the cake and the guy says "I'll take the cake anyway and put it on myself", are you still going to sell it to him?
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Why would anyone have any objections to that?
 
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CLAX1911 said:
No, they want to force people not to discriminate. Accept whatever you want or don't, nobody can make you.
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But I thought you said the business consented? How are they being forced if they consented? :cool:
 
JC Callender said:
The gay boss receives the cake, feels horrible about it and commits suicide. Still feel fine about selling the cake?
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I hear his wife couldn't even get out of bed after seeing that unfrosted cake.
 
JC Callender said:
The gay boss receives the cake, feels horrible about it and commits suicide. Still feel fine about selling the cake?
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And you're simply providing a good reason to not sell him the cake, something that is legal to do.


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JC Callender said:
Because you're aiding in someone doing something horrible to someone else.
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Only if you sell him the cake knowing that it could cause harm. Is there any reason to believe the guy would actually tell anyone his plan to do something so horrible to begin with?


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AGENT J said:
You could be right, I just think SOME people dont care about others and they totally support bigotry and treating certain persons as lessers and unless that person is them.
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Wouldn't be the first time, certainly not the last either.
 
roguenuke said:
And you're simply providing a good reason to not sell him the cake, something that is legal to do.


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How do you prove it's a "good reason" but a man who for religious reasons doesn't believe in gay marriage and doesn't provide a cake is a bad reason?
 
JC Callender said:
You don't think you can make someone feel horrible with words? And you don't believe free speech equates to harm but walking out of a bakery without a cake is $135,000 worth of harm?
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WHen did somebody walk out of a bakery without a cake and it generated 135K of harm?
Oh thats right, never in dealing with the actual and factual topic of this thread LMAO
 
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