Orders from the Boss

[jnug]

I don't agree he's saying "you're to go after." I'm listening with headphones, and trying to find a clip with CC. He's saying "you otta go after". Not that it makes much difference.

It doesn't make any practical difference in the case of one Donald Trump now does it!

 

[Boots]

Read post 18 right above yours. Do you agree with 18 or not.

No. I listened to the audio. It sounds like "you outta, not you're to".

 

[ClaraD]

Don't know...I saw it as it was happening

No worse than:
- ordering a House Impeachment Inquiry into a political adversary
- "stand back and stand by"
- “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.” tweeted while Trump knew Pence and his family were at the Capitol surrounded by rioters

I watched him making comments ahead of the trial as well...I was so sidetracked looking at that weird swirl of hair on top of his head that was glued in place with obnoxious amounts of hair spray. It looked like a badly placed tupee

 

[ASHES]

After watching it again with closed captions, I think the captions are right.

"and you had to go after this attorney general"

At 2:02:40 (on YouTube)

 

[jnug]

After watching it again with closed captions, I think the captions are right.

"and you had to go after this attorney general"

At 2:02:40


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And is "had to go after this AG" more acceptable, less threatening than either "you're to go after this AG" or "you aught to go after this AG"?

Also "You had to go after this AG" is past tense. Trump is speaking BEFORE he goes into the trial. So again are we claiming he does not speak in American English Grammar or does not understand American English Grammar? Who would Trump be speaking to that "had to go after this AG"? Further and again, is there a pubic hair's practical difference now between the three offered possibilities where Donald Trump is concerned?

 

[Integrityrespec]

Trump from outside of the courtroom in NY at the start of what remains of his fraud case regarding Tish James:
"You're to go after this Attorney General"

More orders from private citizen Trump regarding what he wants people including elected officials to do.

Much like ordering his minions in the U.S. Congress to open an Impeachment Inquiry though probably without enough of a following within NY government to go anywhere

So explain the fraud case. Isn't that where they say he overvalued property? I wasn't aware that was a crime. My thought has always been it's worth whatever you say it is and whatever someone will agree to pay for it. If I say my house is worth $1 million and somebody pays that to get it, because I will not sale if for less, then it's worth that. Right? Just looking at properties around Mar A Lago there appear to be much smaller properties with less impressive structures for much more than the 18 million the judge says it's worth. BTW, I didn't know the judge was a real estate appraiser. Sounds like prejudice by a democrat.

 

[NolanVoyd]

He should have his bail revoked.

 

[NolanVoyd]

So explain the fraud case. Isn't that where they say he overvalued property? I wasn't aware that was a crime.

Providing false information on financial documents is a crime. Its called fraud.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

Mafia bosses weren't this brazen in NYC...

Trump needs to be put in jail... He's a disgusting...

 

[jnug]

So explain the fraud case. Isn't that where they say he overvalued property? I wasn't aware that was a crime. My thought has always been it's worth whatever you say it is and whatever someone will agree to pay for it. If I say my house is worth $1 million and somebody pays that to get it, because I will not sale if for less, then it's worth that. Right? Just looking at properties around Mar A Lago there appear to be much smaller properties with less impressive structures for much more than the 18 million the judge says it's worth. BTW, I didn't know the judge was a real estate appraiser. Sounds like prejudice by a democrat.

No the case concerns overvaluing properties for one purpose, Insurance policies and collateral for bank loans and undervaluing the same properties for tax purposes thus committing all sorts of different types of fraud.

Its a document's case and NY State already has the documents which is why the Judge already gave Summary Judgement for the Plaintiff (Tish James) for the main claim in the case. Trump ruled liable. What remains for that part of the case is the penalty for the liability. The rest of the case as to the claims (charges) are 6 more in total. Tish James is asking $250M. It has been offered that she could end up getting closer to $750M if Trump losses on all claims.

 

[Mycroft]

What does this "mean" to you?

It's a suggestion.

 

[ASHES]

And is "had to go after this AG" more acceptable, less threatening than either "you're to go after this AG" or "you aught to go after this AG"?

Also "You had to go after this AG" is past tense. Trump is speaking BEFORE he goes into the trial. So again are we claiming he does not speak in American English Grammar or does not understand American English Grammar? Who would Trump be speaking to that "had to go after this AG"? Further and again, is there a pubic hair's practical difference now between the three offered possibilities where Donald Trump is concerned?

It's not helping him so he can keep talking. It's also not great for him that something captured in HD from 10 angles requires a detailed analysis to decipher, and no matter which answer you go with its not good. I think the "you're to" is the worst, as it implies a new directive. Also think it's the least likely, as the audio sounds more like otta or had to.

 

[NolanVoyd]

It's a suggestion.

Its a crime.

 

[jnug]

It's not helping him so he can keep talking. It's also not great for him that something captured in HD from 10 angles requires a detailed analysis to decipher, and no matter which answer you go with its not good. I think the "you're to" is the worst, as it implies a new directive. Also think it's the least likely, as the audio sounds more like otta or had to.

Great....all bad teired worst to less bad, "You're to" .....followed by "oughta'" ......followed by "had to".

Had to by the way makes no logical sense as it is past tense and who would Trump be talking to in the past tense. "You had to go after the AG". In other words, you had to do it? Who had to do it. When did they do it?

 

[jnug]

It's a suggestion.

I guess you have not seen enough of Donald Trump in action prompting his minions to violence. Either that or you are willing to excuse Donald's excesses regardless of who gets hurt like:
- election workers
- the VP
- Judges
- Prosecutors
- law enforcement agents
- virtually anybody opposed to him

 

[Stealers Wheel]

So explain the fraud case. Isn't that where they say he overvalued property? I wasn't aware that was a crime. My thought has always been it's worth whatever you say it is and whatever someone will agree to pay for it. If I say my house is worth $1 million and somebody pays that to get it, because I will not sale if for less, then it's worth that. Right? Just looking at properties around Mar A Lago there appear to be much smaller properties with less impressive structures for much more than the 18 million the judge says it's worth. BTW, I didn't know the judge was a real estate appraiser. Sounds like prejudice by a democrat.

When you misrepresent the value of a property to either obtain more favorable terms for a loan or to underpay your property taxes, it is a crime.

 

[element94]

That is grounds for his arrest.

What are they waiting for? FFS!!!!

 

[Integrityrespec]

No the case concerns overvaluing properties for one purpose, Insurance policies and collateral for bank loans and undervaluing the same properties for tax purposes thus committing all sorts of different types of fraud.

Its a document's case and NY State already has the documents which is why the Judge already gave Summary Judgement for the Plaintiff (Tish James) for the main claim in the case. Trump ruled liable. What remains for that part of the case is the penalty for the liability. The rest of the case as to the claims (charges) are 6 more in total. Tish James is asking $250M. It has been offered that she could end up getting closer to $750M if Trump losses on all claims.

But my understanding is there is no aggrieved victim. The case was brought by the AG and there is no single victim who has lodged a complaint. Nobody was defrauded, nobody lost any money, no loan failed to be repaid, no bank complained. In fact if the AG handed filed the case it would not exist.

 

[Mycroft]

When you misrepresent the value of a property to either obtain more favorable terms for a loan or to underpay your property taxes, it is a crime.

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I wish people would make up their minds.

But a source familiar with the investigation pointed Fox News Digital, specifically, to Trump’s “Statement of Financial Condition,” which reports an entity’s assets, liabilities and abilities to raise and use funds.

The source told Fox News Digital that Trump did not inflate his financial statements, as prosecutors had anticipated, but instead, undervalued his assets.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manhattan-da-bragg-suspended-trump-investigation-indefinitely-stopped-pursuing-charges[/indent[

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[mrjurrs]

How did you hear it?

Radio news clip

 

[Integrityrespec]

When you misrepresent the value of a property to either obtain more favorable terms for a loan or to underpay your property taxes, it is a crime.

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Your example don't apply because they are not pictures of Mar a Lago.
When you apply for a loan you state value and the appraiser is charged with verifying that claim. Every loan involving property I have ever had required a licensed appraisal. I don't believe Trump did the banks job of doing the appraisal. Again if I say I'll sale for $1 million or my home is worth $1 million the bank is going to require an appraisal. It's on the lender to verify. If the owner disagrees the bank usually tells them to pay for a second appraisal. At least that what they told me.

 

[ClaraD]

I wish people would make up their minds.

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But a source familiar with the investigation pointed Fox News Digital, specifically, to Trump’s “Statement of Financial Condition,” which reports an entity’s assets, liabilities and abilities to raise and use funds.​

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The source told Fox News Digital that Trump did not inflate his financial statements, as prosecutors had anticipated, but instead, undervalued his assets. ​

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manhattan-da-bragg-suspended-trump-investigation-indefinitely-stopped-pursuing-charges[/indent[

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he undervalued them for TAXES and overvalued them for loans. Mar a Lago is no where near worth 1 billion dollars. The Disney Resort Wyndham Grand sold for $120 million. Mar a Lago only has 126 rooms...it is not near as large as the hotel I just mentioned and is no where near worth what The Wyndham Grande Orlando is.

 

[jnug]

But my understanding is there is no aggrieved victim. The case was brought by the AG and there is no single victim who has lodged a complaint. Nobody was defrauded, nobody lost any money, no loan failed to be repaid, no bank complained. In fact if the AG handed filed the case it would not exist.

The people of the State of NY who Tish James represents.

There is no technicality out of this for Fat Donnie. So you should just stop with the word salads now.

Oh and just to cover that base before you bring it up in a separate post:
That there are disclaimer statements appended to loan applications and Insurance policy applications DOES NOT relieve the applicant from providing accurate information on these forms, Trump's whining to the contrary.

Had Trump not been so "inventive" in his overvaluations the gap between his overvaluations in those applications and his undervaluations in tax forms he might have gotten away with it. But they have too many records over years and years of this behavior both as to overvaluing and undervaluing. Trump in this regard is TOAST.

 

[NolanVoyd]

But my understanding is there is no aggrieved victim. The case was brought by the AG and there is no single victim who has lodged a complaint. Nobody was defrauded, nobody lost any money, no loan failed to be repaid, no bank complained. In fact if the AG handed filed the case it would not exist.

Filing materially false financial docunents in a business deal is fraud, even if the other side doesnt complain

 

[H. E. Panqui]

That's how the drug cartels handle their problems in South and central America.

Correct. Violence/threat of violence. It's also how the CIA, Congress, and every other terrorist organization and individual on the planet 'handles their problems'.