Operation Chaos working well in Indiana.....

[Navy Pride]

Where I come from someone can be wrong and not a liar but it sounds like in your part of the woods you're not able to grasp when someone is wrong?

Well I believe he probably knows a little more about it then you and I do......

I am surprised you are such a cult democrat and you would doubt your presidential candidate from 2004........You did vote for him didn't you?

 

[Navy Pride]

I'd like to ask you about your choice of words sir? How come you write things over and over again like "you hero Kerry" or "you lefties" etc. in so many of your posts?

If being civil here is the first rule how come you regularly use put downs when debating another Forum member?

Wouldn't it make for a better debate if you omitted the negativity?

Well Kerry was the man in 2004 and you are a liberal which means your from the left........Are you ashamed of that?

You did say your a democrat and that is all you would vote for no matter his position on the issues.....

 

[Lerxst]

I was joking and trying to stir up Disney Dude with the 45 states....We do that to one another..........You will notice that after you have been around here a little longer..........

WHAT???!?!?!?!?! That is your defense? To claim you were just joking? And then admonish Butters because he hasn't been here long enough? Oh that is rich.

 

[Butters Stotch]

I voted for a democrat in 2006........His name is Norm Dicks and he is the Congressman for my district......I have voted for him 8 times.........I voted for Senator "Scoop" Jackson when he ran for president........Since your a little young you might not know who he is........He was a good fiscal conservative who is a dem.......They are few and far between.......

I am neither a Republican or a democrat but I find it sad that you would vote for a democrat just because he is a democrat and not vote on the issues he stands for.............That is almost like being a zombie or belonging to a cult........

I think I answered that question........I belong to know political party........I have my differences with both Republicans and democrats

Thank you for calling me young but I was born in the 1950s so I certainly know who Scoop Jackson was. The problem I have with you stating you voted for him is that he was never a nominee of the Democratic party so even if you did vote for him it was against another Democrat which does not count sir.

I asked you this which I have cut and pasted to refresh your memory:

Originally Posted by Butters Stotch
I'm curious sir? When was the last time you voted for a Democrat for President and can you remember how many Democratic Presidential candidates you've voted for during your life?

You voting for a Congressman is not what I asked so I would appreciate it if you directly answered my direct question this time, please?

 

[Lerxst]

Well I believe he probably knows a little more about it then you and I do......

I am surprised you are such a cult democrat and you would doubt your presidential candidate from 2004........You did vote for him didn't you?

Duck, dodge, dance, duck some more. Enough with the redirection Navy. This is about you now. You have been asked directly to explain some of your statements.

And you are one to call ANYBODY on this forum a cultist, given your right wing, John McCain by god at any cost mentality.

 

[Lerxst]

Well Kerry was the man in 2004 and you are a liberal which means your from the left........Are you ashamed of that?

Yet again with the completely irrelevant comment and complete dodge of his question. Why don't you just answer his question directly Navy?

 

[Butters Stotch]

Well I believe he probably knows a little more about it then you and I do......

I am surprised you are such a cult democrat and you would doubt your presidential candidate from 2004........You did vote for him didn't you?

Why must you insist on labeling people in almost every post you write? This time you're calling me a "cult democrat" and you're doing so in a negative way using it as a putdown against me. Why?

I did vote for Kerry but that does not mean that I am a mindless drone that accepts anything any Democrat says. Perhaps you're confusing your ability to counter what Republicans say and assume that everyone is like you and just is unable to think for themselves.

Here's what I think sir. I think that people who are lifelong Democrats or Republicans or whatever constantly disagree with statements and views expressed by their party members. This is normal. It is abnormal to do otherwise.

Would you please not use labels to put me down when rebutting my posts?

 

[Navy Pride]

WHAT???!?!?!?!?! That is your defense? To claim you were just joking? And then admonish Butters because he hasn't been here long enough? Oh that is rich.

Do you really believe I think McCain will win 45 states in 2008? This might be one of the closest elections all time.......

 

[tecoyah]

Yet again with the completely irrelevant comment and complete dodge of his question. Why don't you just answer his question directly Navy?

The Horse is Dead....I repeat...The Horse is Dead.


You waste energy beating it!

 

[Lerxst]

Since your a little young you might not know who he is........

Absolute speculation, you've no idea what age Butters is. Nothing he has posted would indicate his age. Why did you find it necessary to jab at him over his age, something you have absolutely no clue about? This not how you debate. He asked a direct question and you took him on a very big roundabout that completely avoided answering it.

Thank you for calling me young but I was born in the 1950s so I certainly know who Scoop Jackson was.

Ouch. That's called getting...

 

[Navy Pride]

Thank you for calling me young but I was born in the 1950s so I certainly know who Scoop Jackson was. The problem I have with you stating you voted for him is that he was never a nominee of the Democratic party so even if you did vote for him it was against another Democrat which does not count sir.

I asked you this which I have cut and pasted to refresh your memory:

You voting for a Congressman is not what I asked so I would appreciate it if you directly answered my direct question this time, please?

Your right he did not win the nomination but he did run in the primaries and I voted for him........

You asked me if I ever voted for a democrat....Norm Dicks is a democrat...........

If you want to go back further I voted for JFK in 1960 and LBJ in 1964, the worse vote I ever cast...........

 

[Lerxst]

Do you really believe I think McCain will win 45 states in 2008? This might be one of the closest elections all time.......

I believe you have a very long and detailed history of partisan posting Navy. Nothing you put on here surprises me anymore. And I think you did actually believe McCain was going to walk all over any Democratic candidate...until it became clear to you that the Dems are smoking the Republicans in voter turnout and you realized that Obama was no slouch.

And I don't believe it's going to be one of the closest races in history. I believe Obama will beat McCain handily. Much worse than Bush beat Gore or Kerry.

 

[Navy Pride]

Absolute speculation, you've no idea what age Butters is. Nothing he has posted would indicate his age. Why did you find it necessary to jab at him over his age, something you have absolutely no clue about? This not how you debate. He asked a direct question and you took him on a very big roundabout that completely avoided answering it.



Ouch. That's called getting...

I apologize for calling him young but he did take it as a compliment.........

 

[Lerxst]

The Horse is Dead....I repeat...The Horse is Dead.


You waste energy beating it!

Sometimes...it simply boils down to doing the right thing.

 

[Navy Pride]

I believe you have a very long and detailed history of partisan posting Navy. Nothing you put on here surprises me anymore. And I think you did actually believe McCain was going to walk all over any Democratic candidate...until it became clear to you that the Dems are smoking the Republicans in voter turnout and you realized that Obama was no slouch.

And I don't believe it's going to be one of the closest races in history. I believe Obama will beat McCain handily. Much worse than Bush beat Gore or Kerry.

Jesus H Christ, and you don't???????????? Pot meet Kettle..........:rofl

Believe what you like...........

 

[Navy Pride]

Sometimes...it simply boils down to doing the right thing.

You got the tag team going now huh..........Go for it.......When the going gets tough the tough gets going...........


Lets try and get back on the topic of OC ok.....thanks.........

 

[Lerxst]

Jesus H Christ, and you don't???????????? Pot meet Kettle..........:rofl

Believe what you like...........

I was being polite...let me call it like it is. You have a long and detailed history of partisan hackery. I do not. I am not the person who has a litany of threads started about me in the Basement as a result of my partisan hackery. Don't even play at this with me. I don't bash Republicans or Conservatives because of the party they belong to, I'm specific enough in my issues to identify individuals for their actions. You on the other hand are the opposite...just follow the trail of Navy Pride posts that are clearly attacks on "Dems and Liberals" while completely whitewashing any criticism of the right.

I'll clean the floor with you Navy.

 

[Thorgasm]

You got the tag team going now huh..........Go for it.......When the going gets tough the tough gets going...........


Lets try and get back on the topic of OC ok.....thanks.........

OC still hasn't worked in Indiana. How long do we have to wait? :mrgreen:

 

[Thorgasm]

I was being polite...let me call it like it is. You have a long and detailed history of partisan hackery. I do not. I am not the person who has a litany of threads started about me in the Basement as a result of my partisan hackery. Don't even play at this with me. I don't bash Republicans or Conservatives because of the party they belong to, I'm specific enough in my issues to identify individuals for their actions. You on the other hand are the opposite...just follow the trail of Navy Pride posts that are clearly attacks on "Dems and Liberals" while completely whitewashing any criticism of the right.

I'll clean the floor with you Navy.

Let's leave downstairs, downstairs please. :2wave:

 

[Lerxst]

You got the tag team going now huh..........Go for it.......When the going gets tough the tough gets going...........


Lets try and get back on the topic of OC ok.....thanks.........

Fair enough. Let's.

So, when the numbers associated with OC were presented and examined, and determined to be inconsequential for the most part, you claimed they were "fuzzy math." You later claimed that Kerry and Andrews said the same thing and you agreed with them because they were right. How were they right? How is this "fuzzy math?"

 

[Redress]

Navy, I just want to ask a couple quick, simple questions. If you would be so kind as to actually answer these questions, unlike the rest of the inconvienient ones that you just duck.

1: You have been repeatedly trumpeting the succeses of Operation Chaos for the last month or more, with your usual daily post being "Well, I don't listen to Rush often, but today he said...". When you have repeatedly had evidence that Operation Chaos was a failure shown to you, you have discounted it, first because Rush claimed otherwise, now because, first, it's fuzzy math and spin, and then when you could not find fault with the math, because Kerry and Andrews told you it worked. So, do you ever actually think for yourself, or do you just parrot whatever people say that you like?

2: You claimed my math was "fuzzy". I provided step by step evidence of how I arrived at it, so you could follow the steps. Which step was innacurate?

 

[Butters Stotch]

Your right he did not win the nomination but he did run in the primaries and I voted for him........

You asked me if I ever voted for a democrat....Norm Dicks is a democrat.

With all due respect sir I asked you when the last time you voted for a Democrat for President. You then stated and actually have restated several times now your support for Congressman Dicks which is when I asked you what OTHER Deomcrats you've voted for?

If you want to go back further I voted for JFK in 1960 and LBJ in 1964, the worse vote I ever cast...........

So are you saying that the last time you voted for a Democrat for President was LBJ in 1964? That's 44 years ago. I believe that is 11 elections ago. If I am understanding you clearly you have voted for the Republican candidate ever since 1968 which is 40 years ago.

I write this with respect sir but anyone who has voted Republican for President for 40 years in a row is a Republican. You asked me if I am "ashamed" of admitting that I am a Liberal and you must know by now that I am not ashamed in the least BUT it seems that despite your obvious voting record that has been 100% Republican for the last 40 years (Presidential elections) an outsider looking in (me...I am new here afterall) it appears you're ashamed to admit that you're a Republican?

Allow me to elaborate. I am a Liberal DEMOCRAT. You do not call yourself a Conservative Republican like I call myself a Liberal Democrat which, to me, makes me think you're ashamed to be a Republican despite voting as one for 40 years.

A very interesting revelation for me about you sir. Peace!

 

[Navy Pride]

I was being polite...let me call it like it is. You have a long and detailed history of partisan hackery. I do not. I am not the person who has a litany of threads started about me in the Basement as a result of my partisan hackery. Don't even play at this with me. I don't bash Republicans or Conservatives because of the party they belong to, I'm specific enough in my issues to identify individuals for their actions. You on the other hand are the opposite...just follow the trail of Navy Pride posts that are clearly attacks on "Dems and Liberals" while completely whitewashing any criticism of the right.

I'll clean the floor with you Navy.

:rofl Your really a piece of work.........The only threads in the basement about me are the ones started by left wingers like you......I love it.......I love getting under your skin..........

I am a partisan........I admit it..............the difference is your a partisan and you don't admit it............Your one of these lefties that try and kid theirselves into believing your a moderate..........


Like now your trying to get this thread to the basement but it won't work...........

Now I am done fencing with you here......If you want to debate the issue fine...........If not I will not respond to any more of your silly personal attacks...........

Have a nice evening.......:rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

OC still hasn't worked in Indiana. How long do we have to wait? :mrgreen:

Its worked.............Hillary won...........That is why Kerry is so pissed.........He wants to lauch a congressional investigation against Limbaugh..........
:rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

Navy, I just want to ask a couple quick, simple questions. If you would be so kind as to actually answer these questions, unlike the rest of the inconvienient ones that you just duck.

1: You have been repeatedly trumpeting the succeses of Operation Chaos for the last month or more, with your usual daily post being "Well, I don't listen to Rush often, but today he said...". When you have repeatedly had evidence that Operation Chaos was a failure shown to you, you have discounted it, first because Rush claimed otherwise, now because, first, it's fuzzy math and spin, and then when you could not find fault with the math, because Kerry and Andrews told you it worked. So, do you ever actually think for yourself, or do you just parrot whatever people say that you like?

2: You claimed my math was "fuzzy". I provided step by step evidence of how I arrived at it, so you could follow the steps. Which step was innacurate?

I don't know what your talking about..........Since Hillary won big in Pa. and Ohio she did not need the Republican voters.......this is the first time in Indiana that she has needed them to win the state..........

You need to ask Kerry about why you were inaccurate on your fuzzy math because he said republicans crossing over cost Obama Indiana and I believe it...........Don't you believe the leader of your party?