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Only two Presidents in last 50 year to reduce the deficit

LOL. It's not clear at all.
even the brilliant conservative economist ( I know ,redundancy) like Sowel, De Rugy and Epstein don't argue for no government.It's a strawman. What they the do argue is fro domincance of the free market over cnetral planning and big government, which of course always is the best way . Airheaded liberal lerrrrrve to point out the 'failures' of capitalism, but ignore the far more pervasive failures of Big Government.

You do know this liberation utopia existed in America at one time, right? During that time, monopolies were formed, entire family (children included) were in many ways forced to work in oppressive conditions or risk starvation, rotten meat was sold as good, poisoned water was all many had to drink is cities that smelled of ****, etc.

The only people that were good were the rich. Everyone else suffered.

Wanna know what changed this free market utopia? Government. A government that put a leash around the necks of the market and reigned in their madness.

So when I hear people gush over the free market, I find myself wishing we have a better school system.
 
It is so funny how you run to the victim argument...
I sincerely hate to shatter your image of me suffering but I will never be a "victim" because I'm the 1%_

It is you and yours that will be the "victim" of a Utopia that will control you and rob you of your dreams_

Unfortunately; your Utopia will also "victimize" millions of innocent people whose lives it will be forced upon_

..while ignoring that your argument was based on straw. It is so ironic to be claiming "irrational" while using straw....but then there you are.

I don't mind that you ignore the rest of my counters to you, those again are simply concessions.
Hmmm? "Straw"? :unsure13: ?Is that the new politicly correct term for "fact" in Liberal Doublespeak For Beginners?
 
I sincerely hate to shatter your image of me suffering but I will never be a "victim" because I'm the 1%_

It is you and yours that will be the "victim" of a Utopia that will control you and rob you of your dreams_

Unfortunately; your Utopia will also "victimize" millions of innocent people whose lives it will be forced upon_

Do you have anything of value to add to this discussion? Partisan rhetoric is in no way a valid substitute.
 
Do you have anything of value to add to this discussion? Partisan rhetoric is in no way a valid substitute.

You and i both know the answer to that question is a resounding NO.
 
I sincerely hate to shatter your image of me suffering but I will never be a "victim" because I'm the 1%_
Um, whining about what label is applied to your posts....is whining, aka, playing the victim.

It is you and yours that will be the "victim" of a Utopia that will control you and rob you of your dreams_
OK....send us a post card when that happens.

Unfortunately; your Utopia will also "victimize" millions of innocent people whose lives it will be forced upon_
Pure Ayn Rand delusions....but go on...

Hmmm? "Straw"? :unsure13: ?Is that the new politicly correct term for "fact" in Liberal Doublespeak For Beginners?
You believe that in point of fact you were addressing something someone said? Go ahead and show where someone argued that "taxes cause increases in GDP".
 
You do know this liberation utopia existed in America at one time, right? During that time, monopolies were formed, entire family (children included) were in many ways forced to work in oppressive conditions or risk starvation, rotten meat was sold as good, poisoned water was all many had to drink is cities that smelled of ****, etc.

The only people that were good were the rich. Everyone else suffered.

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LOL. well nobody ever accused a liberal of knowledge of history.
As for poverty, under capitalism, no poor man is prohibited from creating a fortune — observe that in late 19th century and early twentieth century America how hundreds of really “poor” immigrants, who could not even speak a word of English, came to America and within a generation were America’s newest elite — and they did it without the government on their backs, or on the backs of others.

The difference between then and now . Then -the immigrants just wanted a chance to make a few bucks.

Now, Far too many immigrants want to come here so they can leech off the Government. THANKS LIBERALS!!!

Of course it's intentional, those Government wards are productive voter farms.

Oh and I know the drill. Race card alert!!!! Xenophobe alert!!!!You desperately want those votes so won't DARE say anything bad about them.
 
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LOL. well nobody ever accused a liberal of knowledge of history.
As for poverty, under capitalism, no poor man is prohibited from creating a fortune — observe that in late 19th century and early twentieth century America how hundreds of really “poor” immigrants, who could not even speak a word of English, came to America and within a generation were America’s newest elite — and they did it without the government on their backs, or on the backs of others.
Good grief, he just spoke of the formation of monopolies.....and you just confirmed that unfettered capitalism allowed these "new elites" to form monopolies.

Hint: don't highlight the worst part of a thing you are defending.
 
LOL. well nobody ever accused a liberal of knowledge of history.
As for poverty, under capitalism, no poor man is prohibited from creating a fortune — observe that in late 19th century and early twentieth century America how hundreds of really “poor” immigrants, who could not even speak a word of English, came to America and within a generation were America’s newest elite — and they did it without the government on their backs, or on the backs of others.

The difference between then and now . Then -the immigrants just wanted a chance to make a few bucks.

Now, Far too many immigrants want to come here so they can leech off the Government. THANKS LIBERALS!!!

Of course it's intentional, those Government wards are productive voter farms.

Oh and I know the drill. Race card alert!!!! Xenophobe alert!!!!You desperately want those votes so won't DARE say anything bad about them.

Nothing above refutes any of the facts I presented about American history.

So I have to ask, why exactly did you post it and then make the silly claim that, and I quote, "LOL. well nobody ever accused a liberal of knowledge of history."

If you know anything about history, you'll find that everything I stated is true. An unrestrained market is horrifically destruction to a society, as proven by American history and the history of pretty much all industrialized nations. A truly free market will always lead to less competition, not more. A truly free market will always lead to less freedom, not more. Any economic system that's not controlled by the people collectively, will not work for the majority of people... and that includes socialism.
 
N An unrestrained market is horrifically destruction to a society, a.

Emprica, what did I just say about 4 posts ago..
"..And don't let them drag you into the idiotic debate about free market capitalism. As if somebody ever argued for no government unregulated capitalism. "
 
True. under free market capitalism people tend to concentrate more at work so they can make more money.
 
LOL. It's not clear at all.
even the brilliant conservative economist ( I know ,redundancy) like Sowel, De Rugy and Epstein don't argue for no government.It's a strawman. What they the do argue is fro domincance of the free market over cnetral planning and big government, which of course always is the best way . Airheaded liberal lerrrrrve to point out the 'failures' of capitalism, but ignore the far more pervasive failures of Big Government.

Emprica, what did I just say about 4 posts ago..
"..And don't let them drag you into the idiotic debate about free market capitalism. As if somebody ever argued for no government unregulated capitalism. "

If the market is dominate over the government, government no control over the market. During time I talked about do you believe there was no government? Since there was, your point is just deaf and dumb.

All your doing is running from the facts. America had a system just like what you think is best and it was an abject failure.
 
If the market is dominate over the government, government no control over the market. During time I talked about do you believe there was no government? Since there was, your point is just deaf and dumb.

All your doing is running from the facts. America had a system just like what you think is best and it was an abject failure.

Emprica, they don't give up. They are DETERMINED to build that strawman.

"..And don't let them drag you into the idiotic debate about free market capitalism. As if somebody ever argued for no government unregulated capitalism. "
 
If the market is dominate over the government, government no control over the market. During time I talked about do you believe there was no government? Since there was, your point is just deaf and dumb.

All your doing is running from the facts. America had a system just like what you think is best and it was an abject failure.

Oh and btw , Why was Ellis Island teeming with immigrants if it was such an ' abject failure'???
If you want abject failure, see, USSR, See North Korea, see Cuba, see, Eastern Europe,see China.

Notice anything lacking there?
Riiiiiiiiiiiight- lack of capitalism!
 
Emprica, they don't give up. They are DETERMINED to build that strawman.

"..And don't let them drag you into the idiotic debate about free market capitalism. As if somebody ever argued for no government unregulated capitalism. "

Your surrender is accepted.
 
You do know this liberation utopia existed in America at one time, right? During that time, monopolies were formed, entire family (children included) were in many ways forced to work in oppressive conditions or risk starvation, rotten meat was sold as good, poisoned water was all many had to drink is cities that smelled of ****, etc.
Yea and way back when; witches were burned at the stake, people's blood was leached to cure illness, thieves were hung for horse stealing, people were enslaved on every inhabited continent, and women were beaten and raped_
(oh wait; Islam still practices that last one)

So what is the real reason for such historical atrocities as those we mentioned?

Since the dawn of Homo Sapiens; people have struggled to survive and some were simply better equipped_

The law of the jungle rewarded compassion with death; and physical strength and mental aptitude with life_

And many of these human survival traits carried over to the industrial revolution where they've slowly receded_

As resources became more abundant, people became less uncaring and more communal and compassionate_

Your atrocities weren't the result of capitalism; but simply the remnants of savagery during human evolution_

The only people that were good were the rich. Everyone else suffered.

Wanna know what changed this free market utopia? Government. A government that put a leash around the necks of the market and reigned in their madness.

So when I hear people gush over the free market, I find myself wishing we have a better school system.
And you blame capitalism for this? Where did you ever get this silly notion? College Indoctrination 101, I bet!

Do you want to ground commercial airbuses because some whacked-out muslims used them for guided missiles?

Capitalism was never responsible for any atrocity__Can you say that about government with a straight face?

Absolutely no entity has been as destructive as government especially the "Progressive" type that you promote_

The governments of Lenin, Mao, Castro and Pol Pot collectively exterminated 100+ million of their own people_

The human race is continuously evolving and Western Civilization has been the torchbearer of this progression_

But still today atrocities are being practiced and condoned by other cultures and governments around the world_

You will find this in many countries in Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia and even in much of Latin America_

Have a lovely day~ :peace
 
Yea and way back when; witches were burned at the stake, people's blood was leached to cure illness, thieves were hung for horse stealing, people were enslaved on every inhabited continent, and women were beaten and raped_
(oh wait; Islam still practices that last one)

So what is the real reason for such historical atrocities as those we mentioned?

Since the dawn of Homo Sapiens; people have struggled to survive and some were simply better equipped_

The law of the jungle rewarded compassion with death; and physical strength and mental aptitude with life_

And many of these human survival traits carried over to the industrial revolution where they've slowly receded_

As resources became more abundant, people became less uncaring and more communal and compassionate_

Your atrocities weren't the result of capitalism; but simply the remnants of savagery during human evolution_

And you blame capitalism for this? Where did you ever get this silly notion? College Indoctrination 101, I bet!

Do you want to ground commercial airbuses because some whacked-out muslims used them for guided missiles?

Capitalism was never responsible for any atrocity__Can you say that about government with a straight face?

Absolutely no entity has been as destructive as government especially the "Progressive" type that you promote_

The governments of Lenin, Mao, Castro and Pol Pot collectively exterminated 100+ million of their own people_

The human race is continuously evolving and Western Civilization has been the torchbearer of this progression_

But still today atrocities are being practiced and condoned by other cultures and governments around the world_

You will find this in many countries in Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia and even in much of Latin America_

Have a lovely day~ :peace

Oh how hilariously ironic !!

You claim that capitalism has never been a problem, and then cite Africa and Latin America as examples of the failure of liberalism ?!?!?

Do you not realize that those countries are often much more "free market" than Western democracies ??
 
Do you have anything of value to add to this discussion?
I do see your point but it's rather difficult to add something of value when responding to something of no value_

Partisan rhetoric is in no way a valid substitute.
Where on earth have you been Kushy?!

"Partisan rhetoric" has long been the status quo around here__du'uh!

In fact, partisan rhetoric is the status quo at most all political forums!
 
Oh how hilariously ironic !!

You claim that capitalism has never been a problem, and then cite Africa and Latin America as examples of the failure of liberalism ?!?!?

Do you not realize that those countries are often much more "free market" than Western democracies ??
Holy dyslexia Batman!

Thanx; you nailed one part of my post which was; "capitalism has never been a problem"_

But your interpretation of the point in my reference to Africa and Latin America is way off_

The point you didn't nail had nothing to do with the "free market" or "failure of liberalism"_

What it was about are the atrocities committed by non-Western people, cultures and nations_

And if you're really interested in knowing why this was part of the discussion, then you'll have to digest all of my post as well as Tettsuo's which I was graciously responding to!
 
Holy dyslexia Batman!

Thanx; you nailed one part of my post which was; "capitalism has never been a problem"_

But your interpretation of the point in my reference to Africa and Latin America is way off_

The point you didn't nail had nothing to do with the "free market" or "failure of liberalism"_

What it was about are the atrocities committed by non-Western people, cultures and nations_

And if you're really interested in knowing why this was part of the discussion, then you'll have to digest all of my post as well as Tettsuo's which I was graciously responding to!

You should be able to articulate whatever point you think you have.
 
Emprica, they don't give up. They are DETERMINED to build that strawman.

"..And don't let them drag you into the idiotic debate about free market capitalism. As if somebody ever argued for no government unregulated capitalism. "

Laissez-faire (/ˌlɛseɪˈfɛr-/, French: [lɛsefɛʁ] is an economic system in which transactions between private parties are free from government interference such as regulations, privileges, tariffs, and subsidies.

A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority.
 
Laissez-faire (/ˌlɛseɪˈfɛr-/, French: [lɛsefɛʁ] is an economic system in which transactions between private parties are free from government interference such as regulations, privileges, tariffs, and subsidies.

A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority.

Nailed it !

Oh- i see.

You don't understand what the phrase "free market" means.

Okay. Continue.
 
Laissez-faire (/ˌlɛseɪˈfɛr-/, French: [lɛsefɛʁ] is an economic system in which transactions between private parties are free from government interference such as regulations, privileges, tariffs, and subsidies.

A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority.
You can always tell a liberal, but you can't tell them much. For the gazillionth time, nobody is arguing for no Government . It's a continuum between no Government and complete Government. The best economies are on the free market side.
For the gazillionth time
 
Yes; it is indeed my "sincere claim"!

Which is a result of the actual tried and true Economic Principles of Free-Market Capitalism
nobody is arguing for no Government ....... The best economies are on the free market side.
free
frē/Submit
adjective
1.
not under the control or in the power of another


A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government
 
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free
frē/Submit
adjective
1.
not under the control or in the power of another


A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government

Lol they worship a fantasy and WE'RE the ones with a utopia complex !!!
 
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