Only path to Palestinian state is direct talks: Clinton [W:73]

[justabubba]

Only path to Palestinian state is direct talks: Clinton | The Raw Story

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday that the only path towards a Palestinian state was through direct negotiations, on the eve of a contentious United Nations vote.

why is that the only path

especially when we recognize that both sides must be willing to come to the table, and they choose not to do so

this propaganda is what undermines the USA in the ME

 

[CalGun]

The world has a chance to tell the people of this planet that with peace comes great reward. Unfortunately the world is about to reward violence yet again by giving the terrorist a state for their violence. If it were me I'd reject a Palestinian state until they reject violence.

 

[TheNextEra]

The world has a chance to tell the people of this planet that with peace comes great reward. Unfortunately the world is about to reward violence yet again by giving the terrorist a state for their violence. If it were me I'd reject a Palestinian state until they reject violence.

That's how the U.S. was born, through violence.

 

[justabubba]

That's how the U.S. was born, through violence.

assisted by france in that effort

 

[CalGun]

What is the point? That was then and this is now. If you are suggesting violence is the only way I suspect the Israelis will wipe out the Palestinian people. If freedom and statehood is only to come from violence are you telling those in Texas that don't want to be part of the US any more to take up arms?

That's how the U.S. was born, through violence.

 

[justabubba]

What is the point? That was then and this is now. If you are suggesting violence is the only way I suspect the Israelis will wipe out the Palestinian people. If freedom and statehood is only to come from violence are you telling those in Texas that don't want to be part of the US any more to take up arms?

anyone remember that it was the jews who took up violent resistance in order to establish its own independent nation ... subsequently recognized by the US and UN
why the double standard?

 

[TheNextEra]

If you are suggesting violence is the only way I suspect the Israelis will wipe out the Palestinian people.

I didn't suggest it's the only way, I only pointed out that history has shown that violence CAN be used for statehood. IMO the ONLY way for Palestine to become a state is to recognize, as a whole culture, the right for Israel to exist and to stop attacking.

I don't approve nor condone the creation of Israel, however, I also am realistic in that millions of people in Israel are not going to leave and Palestinians need to recognize that.

If freedom and statehood is only to come from violence are you telling those in Texas that don't want to be part of the US any more to take up arms?

Again, I never stated violence is the ONLY method, only that it IS a method. BTW, Texas is not going to leave the U.S. The blowhearts that want it are the few and minority. When you come up with 3/4 of the state wanting to leave, then Texas may be taken seriously in leaving the U.S.

 

[Muddy Creek]

The world has a chance to tell the people of this planet that with peace comes great reward. Unfortunately the world is about to reward violence yet again by giving the terrorist a state for their violence. If it were me I'd reject a Palestinian state until they reject violence.

Israel has ILLEGALLY invaded Palestine and Lebanon and STOLEN their land. How is it Palestine is the terrorist and violent one?

 

[Muddy Creek]

I didn't suggest it's the only way, I only pointed out that history has shown that violence CAN be used for statehood. IMO the ONLY way for Palestine to become a state is to recognize, as a whole culture, the right for Israel to exist and to stop attacking.



Again, I never stated violence is the ONLY method, only that it IS a method. BTW, Texas is not going to leave the U.S. The blowhearts that want it are the few and minority. When you come up with 3/4 of the state wanting to leave, then Texas may be taken seriously in leaving the U.S.

Israel is the one invading Palestine, not the other way around.

 

[TheNextEra]

Israel is the one invading Palestine, not the other way around.

Read again what I said. Your comment doesn't address anything I said.

 

[donsutherland1]

Secretary Clinton is right. Both the Palestinians and Israel have needs and interests. Only direct talks can lead to the compromises necessary to mutually accommodate one another's core needs and critical interests.

 

[Muddy Creek]

I didn't suggest it's the only way, I only pointed out that history has shown that violence CAN be used for statehood. IMO the ONLY way for Palestine to become a state is to recognize, as a whole culture, the right for Israel to exist and to stop attacking.

I don't approve nor condone the creation of Israel, however, I also am realistic in that millions of people in Israel are not going to leave and Palestinians need to recognize that.



Again, I never stated violence is the ONLY method, only that it IS a method. BTW, Texas is not going to leave the U.S. The blowhearts that want it are the few and minority. When you come up with 3/4 of the state wanting to leave, then Texas may be taken seriously in leaving the U.S.

I read it. You make Israel out to be the victim when infact they have invaded and bombed and tortured citizens from Lebanon and Palestine for DECADES.

Bearing witness to Israel’s latest lawless atrocities against Palestinians | Citizen Action Monitor

Israeli Atrocities against Palestinians           // Current TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzSBynCDWuwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzSBynCDWuw

Israeli war crimes in Lebanon -- Israel's attack in 2006

Course, we're busy doing the same thing in the middle east since Daddy Bush joined forces with Iraq to fight against Iran.

 

[TheNextEra]

I read it. You make Israel out to be the victim when infact they have invaded and bombed and tortured citizens from Lebanon and Palestine for DECADES.

You do understand that the majority of Palestinians do not recognize the right for Israel to even exist don't you?

How can there be peace when one side wants to completely obliterate you?

 

[justabubba]

Secretary Clinton is right. Both the Palestinians and Israel have needs and interests. Only direct talks can lead to the compromises necessary to mutually accommodate one another's core needs and critical interests.

why is that the ONLY way
why is it not possible for the nation of Palestine to be recognized as a sovereign entity by the UN just as the nation of israel was recognized in the late 40's

 

[TheNextEra]

I read it. You make Israel out to be the victim when infact they have invaded and bombed and tortured citizens from Lebanon and Palestine for DECADES.

Also, to add, I'm not excusing Israel's actions or reactions to certain things. However, as I said before, you cannot deny the fact you can't have peace with someone who wants you dead and gone.

 

[TheNextEra]

why is that the ONLY way
why is it not possible for the nation of Palestine to be recognized as a sovereign entity by the UN just as the nation of israel was recognized in the late 40's

The major factor is Palestine's refusal to recognize the right for Isreal to even exist.

 

[justabubba]

The major factor is Palestine's refusal to recognize the right for Isreal to even exist.

how does that prevent the UN from recognizing Palestine's sovereignity?

 

[TheNextEra]

how does that prevent the UN from recognizing Palestine's sovereignity?

Why would the U.N. recognize Palestine as a state, whose main goal is the destruction of another country? That's going against everything the U.N. stands for.

Two country's don't have to like each other, but to belong to the U.N. they should recognize each other's right to exist.

 

[ecofarm]

I find it dishonest that people start threads that are blatantly about P/I in other sections, to avoid the rules and past and present ML infractions.

 

[justabubba]

Why would the U.N. recognize Palestine as a state, whose main goal is the destruction of another country? That's going against everything the U.N. stands for.

Two country's don't have to like each other, but to belong to the U.N. they should recognize each other's right to exist.

why would the UN vote to elevate the status of Palestine now if it so opposed Palestinian dogma?

seems the UN has a long-standing obligation to pursue Palestinian statehood, since the two-state division of Palestine was its position in the late 40's ... the same proximate era when it recognized israel's statehood

 

[24107]

I find it dishonest that people start threads that are blatantly about P/I in other sections, to avoid the rules and past and present ML infractions.

You have no room to speak when it comes to dishonesty.

 

[justabubba]

I find it dishonest that people start threads that are blatantly about P/I in other sections, to avoid the rules and past and present ML infractions.

breaking news story thread, initiated consistent with the forum rules

like fordham, do you object to those with views different from yours being heard?

 

[ecofarm]

breaking news story thread, initiated consistent with the forum rules

I realize that this is not the place for such discussion, but if you're just gonna lie - then I gotta cite.

This is not the place to discuss Israel and Palestine. Israel and Palestine are in the Middle East and there is a specific forum for this discussion. Any mention of Israel and/or Palestine in the any of the Breaking News Forums will result in a B/F/T infraction. This new rule is firm and there will be no "wiggle room" in terms of ME topics being discussed in any forum other than the ME Forum.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...edia/81020-new-rule-breaking-news-forums.html

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I find it ironic; how was Israel created? Through the UN, through a peaceful process through the UN. How is the Palestinian Authority trying to gain statehood now? The same way Israel did, going to the UN and doing it in peaceful means, and yet thats not good enough for Israel.. .

 

[donsutherland1]

why is that the ONLY way
why is it not possible for the nation of Palestine to be recognized as a sovereign entity by the UN just as the nation of israel was recognized in the late 40's

The big difference is that in 1947, the UN was deciding how to bring a British territory to sovereignty. A similar approach would disregard the interests of a sovereign state if, for example, the UN were to try to impose borders. Of course, such an attempt at imposition would fail. Israel has the power to enforce its interests.

Today's resolution does not go as far as to recognize the Palestinians as having a sovereign state, but it is a step in that direction. The resolution won't bring the two sides any closer to agreement. Major disputes including but not limited to territory and borders will persist. None of those major disputes will be addressed by today's resolution. There is a risk that the resolution could create a fresh obstacle to negotiations, if the Palestinians conclude that it is proof that they can achieve tangible gains outside the negotiating process.