One third of all new covid cases in america come from two states. Guess which political party controls those two states?

[CaughtInThe]

 

[diz]

Interesting, it looks like Florida and Texas have among the highest levels of mask use in the country. I guess masks don’t help much.

Maybe we shouldn’t blame Biden so much for his policies causing the massive drop in mask use across the country.

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[bongsaway]

Well, since you bring up vaccination, a significant problem in TX seems to be extremely low vaccination rates among Hispanics and Blacks which make up almost half the population. I don’t think the immigrants necessarily help, but Biden has obviously failed to vaccinate the people who were already here and now they are in the hospitals and dying.

He promised he was going to "shut down covid" and seems to have dismally failed. Or maybe his plan was to shut down covid by having everyone get it and letting hundreds of thousands of people die. That’s the theory that best fits the evidence I guess.

Are you arguing for biden to force folks to get vaccinated?

 

[bongsaway]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the answer is the same as the other ten thousand times you guys have asked this question - Texas and Florida, ergo Republicans.

If the gop base held their leadership accountable instead of enabling them it might be different, no?

 

[Bullseye]

If the gop base held their leadership accountable instead of enabling them it might be different, no?

No, The LW narrative is so FUBARed your definition of accountability is written in jabberwocky.

 

[diz]

Are you arguing for biden to force folks to get vaccinated?

No, of course not I’m not a fascist who thinks people should have no choice what to do with their bodies, but that doesn’t mean he’s not failing as a leader.

 

[noonereal]

It is pretty sad when a political party is fueling a heath crisis.

My God, how the mighty have fallen. We were a great country in my youth.

 

[Questerr]

Texas because of illegals.
Florida? Mostly likely COVID-infected illegals who either evaded the BP or were let go at the nearest bus station.

Source for your claim that its "probably illegals"?

 

[Elmo]

OK, again, you seem to struggle with some basic logical concepts here. Why would a state that “banned mask mandates” have more cases than a state that “did not adopt a mask mandate”?

Neither would have a mask mandate, right?

Texas and Florida have banned mask mandates. The other states that "did not adopt a mask mandate" are allowing businesses to enact mandates as they see fit. Most businesses that involve higher risks to staff/patrons are therefore taking precautions. Which reduces the overall spread.

Texas and Florida banned many organizations from taking such precautions. Which OBVIOUSLY results in a higher spread rate.

Sorry you were struggling with this basic logical concept, but hopefully my explanation was able to help

 

[diz]

Texas and Florida have banned mask mandates. The other states that "did not adopt a mask mandate" are allowing businesses to enact mandates as they see fit. Most businesses that involve higher risks to staff/patrons are therefore taking precautions. Which reduces the overall spread.

Texas and Florida banned many organizations from taking such precautions. Which OBVIOUSLY results in a higher spread rate.

Sorry you were struggling with this basic logical concept, but hopefully my explanation was able to help

You seem to be confusing "mask use" with “mask mandates” and “bans on mask mandates”. One involves actually wearing a mask, the other two are political acts. So, not sure why “banning mask mandates” would cause more covid spread. Isn’t it masks that are supposed to stop covid? Not "mask mandates", or "lack of bans on mask mandates"?

I already showed data that show TX and FL are among the leaders in mask use. (post #102).

If masks are supposed to be effective, TX and FL should have less Covid than most any other state as they have among the highest levels of mask use. (Note you can also see the huge drop in mask use in all states under Biden in that charts...if there’s anyone to blame for a significant drop in mask use in TX, FL and everywhere in the US it’s pretty clearly Biden. Unless you have some reason why Greg Abbott made mask use fall in the 49 states where he is not governor, it seems more likely it was the guy who his President of all 50 states who caused the simultaneous drop in all 50 states.)

 

[jotathought]

Democrats attempt to blame "Red" states for the surge in COVID cases, and fail to mention that roughly 28% of black people are currently immunized (and comprise a substantial portion of these "Red" states). Blacks and Islander Americans have experienced the highest death tolls of COVID in 2021.

Are you trying to say something about these two groups of people?

 

[diz]

Democrats attempt to blame "Red" states for the surge in COVID cases, and fail to mention that roughly 28% of black people are currently immunized (and comprise a substantial portion of these "Red" states). Blacks and Islander Americans have experienced the highest death tolls of COVID in 2021.

Are you trying to say something about these two groups of people?

It’s almost as if they start with their political biases and then look to cherrypick those select data that help make their political points while ignoring all the evidence that does not support their political beliefs.

You know, Science!

 

[jotathought]

It’s almost as if they start with their political biases and then look to cherrypick those select data that help make their political points while ignoring all the evidence that does not support their political beliefs.

You know, Science!

Science sucks when you don't agree with it .. I've heard that 1/3 of new cases are in Florida and Texas .. Awesome. How about the other 2/3 of COVID cases? And how about the breakdown of who is actually receiving the vaccine? Because .. we know it isn't the black people. Additionally, why are we focusing on new cases when the death count is extremely low? (although there have been 220k+ deaths under Biden, and that doesn't seem to be a talking point anymore. Screw those 220K deaths ..

 

[pocket aces]

Okay now guess which political party is trying politicize a pandemic. Democrats are stooping to a new low even for them. Changing the subject to Gov. Cuomo, brother of CNN primetime host Cuomo, sending thousands of known covid19 patients into New York nursing homes.

Really? It is Democrats that are spreading anti mask and anti vax bullshit around?

 

[diz]

Really? It is Democrats that are spreading anti mask and anti vax bullshit around?

Well, if you look at the data I posted in post #102 mask use in most states was about 70-80% when Trump was in office and then Biden caused it to drop to around 20-30% in most states when he took over and issued anti-mask guidance.

I’m going to have to trust the data on this one. Science!

 

[pocket aces]

Well, if you look at the data I posted in post #102 mask use in most states was about 70-80% when Trump was in office and then Biden caused it to drop to around 20-30% in most states when he took over and issued anti-mask guidance.

I’m going to have to trust the data on this one. Science!

 

[diz]

Impressive response, but the data is what it is.

Nobody has decreased mask usage in the US like Biden.

I can produce a video of the press conference he held to say masks weren’t necessary (after which mask usage plummeted) if it helps you come to grips with reality.

 

[pocket aces]

Impressive response, but the data is what it is.

Nobody has decreased mask usage in the US like Biden.

I can produce a video of the press conference he held to say masks weren’t necessary (after which mask usage plummeted) if it helps you come to grips with reality.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

DeSantis was talking to his gullible, intelligence challenged Republican base when he said. “Obviously, if you’re talking about the federal government coming in and overruling parents and our communities, that would be something we would fight back vociferously against.”

The reasonably intelligent observer would ask, "What is he talking about? How is the federal government "coming in" when it comes to school children wearing masks to prevent getting sick?

Ironically, DeSantis then touted his policy for putting parents in control.

Gullible and dense Republicans fail to realize that it is DeSantis who dictating to parents and communities, not the federal government.

Parents elect school board members, and superintendents of schools work for the duly elected school boards the parents chose.

DeSantis is telling school districts they cannot issue face mask mandates, essentially telling parents what their representatives can't do.

Will intellectually deprived Republicans ever understand this concept? Hell, no. They believe whatever DeSantis and Trump tell them to believe. They even believe Senator Rand Paul who said that face masks don't work.

Paul was banished from YouTube for a week for telling the obvious lie.

Are Republicans aware of any of this? No, they don't listen to responsible news sources. They listen only to phony far right web sites where DeSantis would be king.

If it weren't for Trump.

 

[Deuce]

Science sucks when you don't agree with it .. I've heard that 1/3 of new cases are in Florida and Texas .. Awesome. How about the other 2/3 of COVID cases? And how about the breakdown of who is actually receiving the vaccine? Because .. we know it isn't the black people. Additionally, why are we focusing on new cases when the death count is extremely low? (although there have been 220k+ deaths under Biden, and that doesn't seem to be a talking point anymore. Screw those 220K deaths ..

All of that information is out there, why didn't you look for it?

 

[Deuce]

Impressive response, but the data is what it is.

Nobody has decreased mask usage in the US like Biden.

I can produce a video of the press conference he held to say masks weren’t necessary (after which mask usage plummeted) if it helps you come to grips with reality.

Is this going to be the new conservative talking point, you think? "Um actually we were pro-mask all along! DAMN YOU BIDEN FOR BANNING MASKS!!!"

 

[NuffSaid]

This about two strong Republican governors who could be running for president in 2024. Pure and simple smear politics using the pandemic as a political tool. It's called playing small ball.

They are not running for President. Trump won’t let them.

 

[diz]

Is this going to be the new conservative talking point, you think? "Um actually we were pro-mask all along! DAMN YOU BIDEN FOR BANNING MASKS!!!"

I find it helps if you try to separate partisan hack talking points from objective reality supported by data.

Can you dispute any of these facts?

1) When Trump left office mask usage in the US was widespread, indeed up around 80% (see first link below which I have redrawn to show US averages)
2) Now, under Biden it has fallen to down around 25% with significant declines in most every state. (see my link on post #102 for state level data)
3) Biden gave a press conference in late April in which he announced mask wearing was no longer necessary for many Americans and made a celebratory public showing of taking off his mask (see second link below)
4) The significant decline in US mask use occurred in the immediate aftermath of this press conference

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Biden wears face mask outdoors to hail CDC guidelines that say you no longer need to

After walking to the podium in the black face covering, Biden took it off and said, “Starting today, if you’re fully vaccinated and you’re outdoors, you need — and not in a big crowd — you no longe…

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You can argue all day about political beliefs and motivations but it seems almost impossible to view facts and data and conclude someone other than Biden and his administration is responsible for the significant decline in US mask usage.

Saying "Republican anti-mask attitudes" caused the decline is a bit like saying gravity caused a plane crash. Republican anti mask attitudes existed before and after the decline. Mask use declined in all 50 states including those that have little or no Republican control whatsoever.

 

[Deuce]

I find it helps if you try to separate partisan hack talking points from objective reality supported by data.

Can you dispute any of these facts?

1) When Trump left office mask usage in the US was widespread, indeed up around 80% (see first link below which I have redrawn to show US averages)
2) Now, under Biden it has fallen to down around 25% with significant declines in most every state. (see my link on post #102 for state level data)
3) Biden gave a press conference in late April in which he announced mask wearing was no longer necessary for many Americans and made a celebratory public showing of taking off his mask (see second link below)
4) The significant decline in US mask use occurred in the immediate aftermath of this press conference

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.

covid19.healthdata.org

Biden wears face mask outdoors to hail CDC guidelines that say you no longer need to

After walking to the podium in the black face covering, Biden took it off and said, “Starting today, if you’re fully vaccinated and you’re outdoors, you need — and not in a big crowd — you no longe…

nypost.com

You can argue all day about political beliefs and motivations but it seems almost impossible to view facts and data and conclude someone other than Biden and his administration is responsible for the significant decline in US mask usage.

Saying "Republican anti-mask attitudes" caused the decline is a bit like saying gravity caused a plane crash. Republican anti mask attitudes existed before and after the decline. Mask use declined in all 50 states including those that have little or no Republican control whatsoever.

Recommendations change based on changing circumstances, I don't understand why this confuses you.

Of course, you appear to be inventing shit Biden didn't actually say, so that's probably part of your problem. Invent your own facts, and reality will often confuse you.

 

[pocket aces]

Recommendations change based on changing circumstances, I don't understand why this confuses you.

The rightwing mantra is to stay stupid for the rest of your life. You are never allowed to change your thinking to adapt with he changing times. That is what intellectual libruuls do.