One thing that "everyone" needs to "get straight"

[Luckyone]

The United States is a Democracy that has worked successfully for close to 250 years. Democracy means bi-partisanship on all issues. Republicans, Democrats and Independents are all Americans and as such, everyone has to give a little to get a little. We all need to work "together" to get things done and go forward. No one has the right to stop the nation from going forward.

The U.S. is NOT and Autocracy, a Tyranny, or a Dictatorship and that means no one gets all his/their wishes done.

The Republicans, especially the extreme right and led by Trump and now Matt Gaetz is trying to destroy what has been built by our forefathers and successfully supported by all parties since..........until now.

The Far right needs to go! Trump needs to go! Gaetz needs to go.

This problem is not about an issue but about working together. Are we spending too much? Yes and that needs to be repaired. Do we have a border problem? Yes, and that needs to be repaired. Are there many things that need to change or be worked on? Yes, and they need to be repaired.

Nonetheless, during the entire life of our nation, we have had many problems that needed to be repaired and in most cases they were "repaired to some degree" but we always did it by using Democracy and compromise.

This is now failing to occur and that means we need to get rid of the party (or the people within the party) that is doing the non-partisan deeds.

 

[RF667799]

Your idea to have more bipartisanship, is to eliminate the opposition party.

 

[Luckyone]

Your idea to have more bipartisanship, is to eliminate the opposition party.

????

Are you crazy? We have had bi-partisanship for over 220 years and no party was eliminated. It is called working together to accomplish a goal for the American public but each "giving a little and getting a little" of what the opposite sides wants!

Let me give you an idea of how that works.

This fight in the House has been about getting a budget so that we do not continue to spend more than we take in. That makes a lot of sense to both parties.

Nonetheless, what needs to be given up to balance the budget can be more damaging in the short term than anyone would like or want. Gaetz wants to "force" to have a balanced budget. I can understand that but it is not all that realistic. After all, in the past 100 years, we have only had one balanced budget and it was with a Democrat president (Clinton).

What needs to be done is for both parties to give a little and get a little. Begin some cost cutting but not to the tune of causing more problems. Cut a little but give a little. Find a compromise that will start the bring the expenses down while raising the budget enough to have most (not everything) that every party wants.

 

[dockside]

The United States is a Democracy that has worked successfully for close to 250 years. Democracy means bi-partisanship on all issues. Republicans, Democrats and Independents are all Americans and as such, everyone has to give a little to get a little. We all need to work "together" to get things done and go forward. No one has the right to stop the nation from going forward.

The U.S. is NOT and Autocracy, a Tyranny, or a Dictatorship and that means no one gets all his/their wishes done.

The Republicans, especially the extreme right and led by Trump and now Matt Gaetz is trying to destroy what has been built by our forefathers and successfully supported by all parties since..........until now.

The Far right needs to go! Trump needs to go! Gaetz needs to go.

This problem is not about an issue but about working together. Are we spending too much? Yes and that needs to be repaired. Do we have a border problem? Yes, and that needs to be repaired. Are there many things that need to change or be worked on? Yes, and they need to be repaired.

Nonetheless, during the entire life of our nation, we have had many problems that needed to be repaired and in most cases they were "repaired to some degree" but we always did it by using Democracy and compromise.

This is now failing to occur and that means we need to get rid of the party (or the people within the party) that is doing the non-partisan deeds.

I would amend this and take out "the party (or". It's the people with power and the microphone that are doing this. Unfortunately, they have awakened a lot of ignorant people who want to MAGA and don't realize that that "again" refers exactly to what you are saying needs to happen and that past leaders (Reagan, Gingrich, etc.) have caused the present split.

 

[RF667799]

????

Are you crazy? We have had bi-partisanship for over 220 years and no party was eliminated. It is called working together to accomplish a goal for the American public but each "giving a little and getting a little" of what the opposite sides wants!

Actually, you said get rid of the party that is doing the "non-partisan deeds".

So is that what you really meant? Which party isn't being partisan enough for your sensibilities?

 

[KLATTU]

The United States is a Democracy that has worked successfully for close to 250 years. Democracy means bi-partisanship on all issues. Republicans, Democrats and Independents are all Americans and as such, everyone has to give a little to get a little. We all need to work "together" to get things done and go forward. No one has the right to stop the nation from going forward.

The U.S. is NOT and Autocracy, a Tyranny, or a Dictatorship and that means no one gets all his/their wishes done.

The Republicans, especially the extreme right and led by Trump and now Matt Gaetz is trying to destroy what has been built by our forefathers and successfully supported by all parties since..........until now.

The Far right needs to go! Trump needs to go! Gaetz needs to go.

This problem is not about an issue but about working together. Are we spending too much? Yes and that needs to be repaired. Do we have a border problem? Yes, and that needs to be repaired. Are there many things that need to change or be worked on? Yes, and they need to be repaired.

Nonetheless, during the entire life of our nation, we have had many problems that needed to be repaired and in most cases they were "repaired to some degree" but we always did it by using Democracy and compromise.

This is now failing to occur and that means we need to get rid of the party (or the people within the party) that is doing the non-partisan deeds.

A long rambling way of saying the GOP is in complete disarray, which is true and it's all due to the Trump cancer.

 

[Luckyone]

A long rambling way of saying the GOP is in complete disarray, which is true and it's all due to the Trump cancer.

Wow, incredible to hear you say that. Yes, what you say is true but Trump was not the cancer that started it as the party was already heading the wrong way before he came aboard. What Trump was is a catalyst that caused to get to this degree in a fast way.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Honestly I don't want bipartisanship so much if it means giving the far right a voice in government. Better to let them squirm and see if they can tie their shoes than give them a chance at governing.

 

[Luckyone]

Actually, you said get rid of the party that is doing the "non-partisan deeds".

So is that what you really meant? Which party isn't being partisan enough for your sensibilities?

Do you really need to ask? What party wants to stop the government from doing their job "just" to make a point. What party just got rid of their "own" speaker because he was not "right enough"?

 

[Ginger Ale]

I think everyone should go Independent, and let us all stop the pandering, and vote based on issues we care about. Someone needs to fix the divide and apparently it's not going to be the politicians. It will have to be the people.

 

[Luckyone]

Honestly I don't want bipartisanship so much if it means giving the far right a voice in government. Better to let them squirm and see if they can tie their shoes than give them a chance at governing.

I understand what you are saying but in a Democracy, everyone should have a voice no matter how extreme it is. A voice does not mean doing what they want but listening to their wants and then deciding using Democracy, how much (if any) of what they want makes sense and should be instituted in some way.

 

[RF667799]

Do you really need to ask? What party wants to stop the government from doing their job "just" to make a point. What party just got rid of their "own" speaker because he was not "right enough"?

Those are non-partisan actions?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I understand what you are saying but in a Democracy, everyone should have a voice no matter how extreme it is. A voice does not mean doing what they want but listening to their wants and then deciding using Democracy, how much (if any) of what they want makes sense and should be instituted in some way.

No offense but that's just really dangerous. Like absurdly dangerous, and highly impractical to the function of any government. We can't have everyone have a say in government. There has to be a cut off point eventually. I get what you're saying and I want people to have as much a voice in government as the next person. But at some point the mic turns off and debate ends. Letting people speak indefinitely on a topic stops progress.

 

[Captain America]

The United States is a Democracy that has worked successfully for close to 250 years. Democracy means bi-partisanship on all issues. Republicans, Democrats and Independents are all Americans and as such, everyone has to give a little to get a little. We all need to work "together" to get things done and go forward. No one has the right to stop the nation from going forward.

The U.S. is NOT and Autocracy, a Tyranny, or a Dictatorship and that means no one gets all his/their wishes done.

The Republicans, especially the extreme right and led by Trump and now Matt Gaetz is trying to destroy what has been built by our forefathers and successfully supported by all parties since..........until now.

The Far right needs to go! Trump needs to go! Gaetz needs to go.

This problem is not about an issue but about working together. Are we spending too much? Yes and that needs to be repaired. Do we have a border problem? Yes, and that needs to be repaired. Are there many things that need to change or be worked on? Yes, and they need to be repaired.

Nonetheless, during the entire life of our nation, we have had many problems that needed to be repaired and in most cases they were "repaired to some degree" but we always did it by using Democracy and compromise.

This is now failing to occur and that means we need to get rid of the party (or the people within the party) that is doing the non-partisan deeds.

I agree.

But as long as there are traitors among us, wishing to see America crumble, they will support their messianic poster-child, Trump, with their votes, without fear of the punishment they all deserve.

You wanna get rid of the MAGA curse we are all under? You gotta go after the head of the snake. Lock him up!

 

[Rucker61]

Honestly I don't want bipartisanship so much if it means giving the far right a voice in government. Better to let them squirm and see if they can tie their shoes than give them a chance at governing.

So Republicans don't get to vote or hold office?

 

[Rucker61]

No offense but that's just really dangerous. Like absurdly dangerous, and highly impractical to the function of any government. We can't have everyone have a say in government. There has to be a cut off point eventually. I get what you're saying and I want people to have as much a voice in government as the next person. But at some point the mic turns off and debate ends. Letting people speak indefinitely on a topic stops progress.

How would you defend the Constitutionality of this? Who gets to draw the line?

 

[BabaVoss]

Agreed. When extremists express anger when anyone works across the aisle, especially in such divided times, they should be rejected.

We currently have a handful of extremists who have tried to overturn the election result when their candidate lost. Then they encouraged an attack on our Capitol to interfere with or delay the certification of that election result. Then they attempted ot shutdown the government.

Not only is this harmful to our country, it's frankly stupid. The people behind this are a small fraction of one third of our government. They can't possibly hope to succeed in forcing their way. They need to figure out compromise. But the GOPers I'm referring to here are simply not capable.

VOTE THEM ALL OUT.

 

[Luckyone]

No offense but that's just really dangerous. Like absurdly dangerous, and highly impractical to the function of any government. We can't have everyone have a say in government. There has to be a cut off point eventually. I get what you're saying and I want people to have as much a voice in government as the next person. But at some point the mic turns off and debate ends. Letting people speak indefinitely on a topic stops progress.

Having a voice does not mean getting it done. In a Democracy, the majority rules. The extreme will never have a majority, meaning what they want is not likely to get done.

You cannot do the same thing you are accusing them of

 

[Rucker61]

Agreed. When extremists express anger when anyone works across the aisle, especially in such divided times, they should be rejected.

We currently have a handful of extremists who have tried to overturn the election result when their candidate lost. Then they encouraged an attack on our Capitol to interfere with or delay the certification of that election result. Then they attempted ot shutdown the government.

Not only is this harmful to our country, it's frankly stupid. The people behind this are a small fraction of one third of our government. They can't possibly hope to succeed in forcing their way. They need to figure out compromise. But the GOPers I'm referring to here are simply not capable.

VOTE THEM ALL OUT.

How do you vote out Republican candidates in Republican majority districts?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

So Republicans don't get to vote or hold office?

No, just the far right. I can't see any benefit to giving people who actively race bait the chance to speak.

How would you defend the Constitutionality of this? Who gets to draw the line?

I'm perfectly fine with what Germany did to stop the Nazi party or how Britain punished that Holocaust Denier in the 1990's. Constitutional guarantees to stop hate speech doesn't mean we lose the right to freedom of speech and a liberal democratic government.

 

[Rucker61]

Having a voice does not mean getting it done. In a Democracy, the majority rules. The extreme will never have a majority, meaning what they want is not likely to get done.

You cannot do the same thing you are accusing them of

"...that means we need to get rid of the party (or the people within the party)".

Looks like you two are saying the same thing.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Having a voice does not mean getting it done. In a Democracy, the majority rules. The extreme will never have a majority, meaning what they want is not likely to get done.

You cannot do the same thing you are accusing them of

The Nazis were pretty extreme and they had the majority. The GOP has adopted stances on things like abortion and gun control that are considered extreme, and they currently control the house.

 

[Rucker61]

No, just the far right. I can't see any benefit to giving people who actively race bait the chance to speak.

How do you differentiate "Republicans" from "the far right"?

I'm perfectly fine with what Germany did to stop the Nazi party or how Britain punished that Holocaust Denier in the 1990's. Constitutional guarantees to stop hate speech doesn't mean we lose the right to freedom of speech and a liberal democratic government.

Hate speech is protected speech.

 

[Rucker61]

The Nazis were pretty extreme and they had the majority. The GOP has adopted stances on things like abortion and gun control that are considered extreme, and they currently control the house.

How are either of the two positions you've listed "extreme"?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

How do you differentiate "Republicans" from "the far right"?


Hate speech is protected speech.

Better question: Why should Republicans be let to make hate speech and white supremacy a core component of their political message? What objective political good does that do for democracy?

In the US we protect hate speech because of the history of the Civil Rights movement when southern politicians tried to stop activists from demanding civil rights, think Montgomery. The argument for why hate speech must be protected is because "if all speech is protected then the civil rights activists speech must be defended as well". That's a crap argument. Especially given the free speech standard was specifically created to protect far right speech (Terminellio v Chicago 1949, Brandenburg v Ohio 1969) while the State Department is being gutted on the grounds "socialists don't belong in government". This position of "hate speech is protected speech" just justifies and defends white supremacy by forcing a moderate position on protections for speech. Are there moments when far left speech needed to be protected? Of course. But overall this kind of interpretation of free speech doesn't do anything to protect liberties and democratic governance.