"one set of laws"?

[The Stars Tremble]

Hmm… what should be done in a case where the available evidence is deemed to be only 51% to 85% likely to get a conviction?

It's a profound question. On the one hand, prosecution of individuals who are ultimately found Not Guilty, is a waste of their time and an emotional stress. On the other hand, if prosecutors fear to bring cases unless they're 95% sure of conviction, too many guilty individuals go free. Nor is plea bargaining a satisfactory solution: it assumes all accused individuals have fully competent defense (when obviously they don't.)

I would say more towards the 85% end of the range. Not 51%, but certainly not something like 95%

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Ask the republicans in the house.

The House can't touch Hillary, but they could impeach Biden. If they don't mind looking like horse's asses.

 

[bongsaway]

So when will Hillary and Lyin Biden be indicted?
Asking for a friend.

The gop's benghazi 'investigations' were nothing more than an attack on her credibility and was really aimed at hurting her chances to be elected president and it worked perfectly.

Lyin Biden, really? Let us know when he gets anywhere near the amount of lies trump has told folks like you...and you believe him, that's the best part.

 

[post]

So when will Hillary and Lyin Biden be indicted?
Asking for a friend.

More RWE, false equivalence BS? Read the ****ing indictment, it influences any reasonable person to STFU vs creating a thread similar to this one.

When they start obstructing justice, failing to cooperate with investigations and lie constantly about their motivation for being hyper hostile to
investigations without actually presenting facts supported justification, without which anti law enforcement tantrum is all that remains on the table.

Simply point to the dates when Trump followed Ms. Clinton's examples of cooperation, or stop with the false equivalency BS!

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[bongsaway]

The corrupt establishment protects their own.

TDS is an ongoing fad.

They only worship the corrupt because of brainwashing and propaganda.

Wow, excellent example of pure projection. Trump is now charged with seven felonies and folks like you want to blame the corrupt establishment. The corrupt establishment has a court date on tuesday at three.

 

[Chock Full o Nuts]

Politics, the game of CYA and who you got in your corner. Biden and Clinton been in the ring for years.
Trump stepped into the ring without his 'Mickey Goodmill'. He F'ed up, should have had more 'training'..

At the moment this place needs a Trump Indictment sub-forum. How many threads do we need on the same shit?..
Like a pack of hyenas circling, waiting on the lions to leave the carcass so they can move in and enjoy the delicious scraps.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

"Politicians are all corrupt liars, both sides are as bad as the other" is not at all a new opinion. But it used to be a defensive opinion, voiced by people with no interest in politics, to shut down political discussion when they were just trying to have a quiet drink and a chat about sport.

Somehow Trump has mobilized these people. Probably by recasting politics at the highest level, as a form of entertainment.

 

[CaughtInThe]

So when will Hillary and Lyin Biden be indicted?
Asking for a friend.

Im sorry your favorite politician is a huge crook.

Do better.

 

[Luckyone]

The corrupt establishment protects their own.

TDS is an ongoing fad.

They only worship the corrupt because of brainwashing and propaganda.

I totally agree with your post. The Trump administration was all of that and more.

The failure to impeach Trump in the Senate was a clear example of the "corrupt establishment protecting their own"

The Trump Devotion syndrome (TDS) was certainly an ongoing fad (in fact, it even got to be a cult).

and the worshipping of the corrupt has never been clearer than what Trump supporters have done when at his calling, they were even willing to try to overthrow the legally chosen government. Brainwashing and propaganda was evident with all the fake truths and conspiracies (such as the election was a fraud) that were thrown out there by Trump and the Republicans.

Bravo on your post. You said it as it is!!!

 

[Torus34]

Hmm… what should be done in a case where the available evidence is deemed to be only 51% to 85% likely to get a conviction?

Hi, ttwtt8640.

That depends. If one is ideologically-driven, believing that all lawbreakers should be apprehended and tried, consider how that might work out when applied to, say, American drivers on our highways and byways.

The simple answer to your question is for the DOJ to continue to apply the standard. Should a lower standard be set, we as taxpayers should be fully willing to accept the increase in taxes needed to support the effort. [Ed.: The same is true with palaver about the deficit. We should be willing, as responsible citizens, to accept taxes as needed to cover the deficit.]

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[Fletch]

We don’t burn witches or go on witch hunts.

The propaganda has deluded people.

Don’t be so easily fooled and lied to.

Stick up for yourself and reality.

Trump lied to you when he said he was cooperating with the subpoena.

 

[IQ57]

Trump lied to you when he said he was cooperating with the subpoena.

I’ve never talked to Trump.

What was the lie?

 

[ttwtt78640]

It's a profound question. On the one hand, prosecution of individuals who are ultimately found Not Guilty, is a waste of their time and an emotional stress. On the other hand, if prosecutors fear to bring cases unless they're 95% sure of conviction, too many guilty individuals go free. Nor is plea bargaining a satisfactory solution: it assumes all accused individuals have fully competent defense (when obviously they don't.)

I would say more towards the 85% end of the range. Not 51%, but certainly not something like 95%

The most often used ‘solution’ appears to be to initially overcharge and then offer a deal (bargain?) in exchange for a guilty plea to some lesser offense with a promise of a lower sentence ‘recommendation’.

The alleged perp must then decide how likely they are to be acquitted if they refuse the opportunity to admit to some lesser level of guilt. Of course, that’s a much harder decision for those who must depend on a public defender to offer them legal advice/assistance or are unable to secure bail/bond for pre-trial release.

 

[j brown's body]

So when will Hillary and Lyin Biden be indicted?
Asking for a friend.

So you recognize it was right to induct Trump. Glad to see it.

 

[Fletch]

I’ve never talked to Trump.

What was the lie?

He said he was cooperating. He wasnt. He was even lying to his own lawyers. I suggest you read the indictment.

 

[j brown's body]

The corrupt establishment protects their own.

TDS is an ongoing fad.

They only worship the corrupt because of brainwashing and propaganda.

You agree that Trump should be held accountable just like others you imagine to have done the same thing. Glad to see it.

 

[j brown's body]

Thanks for proving that TDS still exists(thrives). Why you choose to double down is beyond reason or help.

I don’t like the rules for me and not for thee.

So you feel indicting Trump is fair, but you imagine others should be too.

Glad to see it.

 

[Callen]

So when will Hillary and Lyin Biden be indicted?
Asking for a friend.

The Trump DoJ had the opportunity to charge Clinton but declined so you will have to ask Jeff Sessions.

Biden will be charged when and if the special prosecutor finds evidence that he committed a crime. The fact he is a sitting president will likely impact timing.

 

[j brown's body]

There seems to be universal agreement among our right-wing friends that the Trump DoJ was too incompetent to indict Hillary.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Hi, ttwtt8640.

That depends. If one is ideologically-driven, believing that all lawbreakers should be apprehended and tried, consider how that might work out when applied to, say, American drivers on our highways and byways.

The simple answer to your question is for the DOJ to continue to apply the standard. Should a lower standard be set, we as taxpayers should be fully willing to accept the increase in taxes needed to support the effort. [Ed.: The same is true with palaver about the deficit. We should be willing, as responsible citizens, to accept taxes as needed to cover the deficit.]

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

I agree that taking more (and certainly most) cases to trial would be prohibitively expensive, but find the idea of prosecuting only the ‘worst of the worst’ to be a very poor alternative. See post #38.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

So when will Hillary and Lyin Biden be indicted?
Asking for a friend.

Probably after enough evidence s gathered to indict them.


What's your point?

 

[Torus34]

I agree that taking more (and certainly most) cases to trial would be prohibitively expensive, but find the idea of prosecuting only the ‘worst of the worst’ to be a very poor alternative. See post #38.

Hi again, ttwtt78640.

Reading the indicated post, one thing comes through clearly. It is the inference that we do indeed have a two-tiered system of justice based upon the wealth of the defendant. I find it hard to argue against this contention.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Hi again, ttwtt78640.

Reading the indicated post, one thing comes through clearly. It is the inference that we do indeed have a two-tiered system of justice based upon the wealth of the defendant. I find it hard to argue against this contention.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

It’s certainly true that when prosecutors know that they will (likely) face a more talented (aka expensive) defense team, they take that into consideration and call it using ‘prosecutorial discretion’.

 

[Peter]

So when will Hillary and Lyin Biden be indicted?
Asking for a friend.

The same day I become the worlds first trillionaire.

 

[Torus34]

It’s certainly true that when prosecutors know that they will (likely) face a more talented (aka expensive) defense team, they take that into consideration and call it using ‘prosecutorial discretion’.

Hi again, TTwTT78640.

Yup. That would fall under the rubric of getting maximum 'bang for the buck'.

Thanks for the 'chat'.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.