One, legged man Beaten & Robbed

More black on black crime in Chicago
We need the National Guard called!

A West Side man accused of beating a disabled barber was ordered held on $500,000 bail Saturday.

Jermaine Owens, of the first block of North Pine Avenue, was charged with armed robbery and intimidating a witness, prosecutors said. Herbert Gary was previously charged in the case.

The two men approached the barber, who is missing a leg and has limited use of his left arm, as he sat in his car in the 3300 block of West Division Street on March 18, prosecutors said.

One man grabbed the barber's chain necklace as the other beat him with a 2-by-4 , prosecutors said, allowing them to make off with the chain and a medallion attached to it. The barber had scrapes and bruises to his head, authorities said.




About five hours later, the attackers went to the man's home in the 3200 block of West Crystal Street and one of them threatened to burn down his house if he called police, prosecutors said.

West Side man charged with beating a one-legged barber. - chicagotribune.com

Maybe it's 'person on person' crime, eh? Or 'lowlife on citizen' crime...

MyOwnDrum said:

Maybe it's 'person on person' crime, eh? Or 'lowlife on citizen' crime...

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Ya sure. Ok. Thats also true.
Im concered in the city I live close to that there is such titanic crime and on the West side its maily black on black. Why.... WHY would they do this crap to each other!? It makes me extremly sad. I dont see a way to fix this situation without calling the National Guard and getting law and order.
And because of politics.... if Chicago DID hire new police they are powerless because of the black leaders! The black leaders demanded that there was to be a limit on how many blacks can get tickets a week!!!! Its just insane. Some of my friends that are cops in those horrible neighborhoods tell me how they cant do anything without getting in trouble themselves! :doh

Chicago's draconian gun laws sure are keeping people safe. (/irony)

Goshin said:

Chicago's draconian gun laws sure are keeping people safe. (/irony)

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Is the guy supposed to draw down on every person who walks in his shop?

Goshin said:

Chicago's draconian gun laws sure are keeping people safe. (/irony)

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Are you saying without a gun ban this would never have happened? Can I get one of those crystal balls you have?

independent_thinker2002 said:

Is the guy supposed to draw down on every person who walks in his shop?

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Pretty silly. Effectively employment of a firearm, or any defensive method, is dependent on observation, awareness, realization of threat, and appropriate reactions. The firearm is a tool; its effectiveness is dependent on the user's ability to employ it appropriately.

This didn't occur in his shop. This is what the story says happened:

The two men approached the barber, who is missing a leg and has limited use of his left arm, as he sat in his car in the 3300 block of West Division Street on March 18, prosecutors said.

One man grabbed the barber's chain necklace as the other beat him with a 2-by-4 , prosecutors said, allowing them to make off with the chain and a medallion attached to it. The barber had scrapes and bruises to his head, authorities said.

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Had he been armed, he could have drawn whenever it became clear that the attackers had ill intentions. Most likely they would have withdrawn immediately on sight of the firearm, and he might not have been as injured. If I were sitting in a car, and two suspicious-looking/suspicious-acting individuals approached, one of them brandishing a 2x4, I would drive away immediately if possible; if that were not feasible, I would have surreptitiously drawn my pistol and held it out of sight, awaiting further developments. This isn't conjecture on my part, I've done it before.


My comment was also bearing on how Chicago has experienced an enormous murder rate this year, so much so that some were calling for the National Guard to be deployed.

Deuce said:

Are you saying without a gun ban this would never have happened? Can I get one of those crystal balls you have?

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That isn't what I said. I was commenting ironically on both this case, and the general wave of crime and murder currently occuring in Chicago, and how their extremely strict gun laws do not seem to have any positive impact.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Yes, had he been armed and aware and reacted accordingly, he might have avoided injury. My father was once accosted by a criminal while sitting in a car; he came out of it uninjured, because he deployed his pistol in a timely manner.

Goshin said:

Pretty silly. Effectively employment of a firearm, or any defensive method, is dependent on observation, awareness, realization of threat, and appropriate reactions. The firearm is a tool; its effectiveness is dependent on the user's ability to employ it appropriately.

This didn't occur in his shop. This is what the story says happened:

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I misread it as sitting in his chair. :3oops:

Yeah, with proper training it can be an effective tool.

Goshin said:

Had he been armed, he could have drawn whenever it became clear that the attackers had ill intentions. Most likely they would have withdrawn immediately on sight of the firearm, and he might not have been as injured. If I were sitting in a car, and two suspicious-looking/suspicious-acting individuals approached, one of them brandishing a 2x4, I would drive away immediately if possible; if that were not feasible, I would have surreptitiously drawn my pistol and held it out of sight, awaiting further developments. This isn't conjecture on my part, I've done it before.


My comment was also bearing on how Chicago has experienced an enormous murder rate this year, so much so that some were calling for the National Guard to be deployed.

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Yeah, it's possible. A gun is no guarantee though.

independent_thinker2002 said:

Yeah, it's possible. A gun is no guarantee though.

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True. As I'm fond of telling my defensive handgunning students, "I don't care if you're a 5th Degree black belt former Marine Force-Recon veteran and have a Kimber Custom .45 in a Bianchi speed-draw holster, if you don't pay attention, recognize the threat and react appropriately and in a timely manner, you'll be just as dead as anybody."

Goshin said:

Pretty silly. Effectively employment of a firearm, or any defensive method, is dependent on observation, awareness, realization of threat, and appropriate reactions. The firearm is a tool; its effectiveness is dependent on the user's ability to employ it appropriately.

This didn't occur in his shop. This is what the story says happened:

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Most of the time you don't even have to pull. About 6, maybe 7 months ago I had an incident where this little "thug life" wanna be skinny pos was staring me down in a convenience store parking lot, I was looking for something so it took a couple of minutes but every time I looked up the guy was still looking at me.

Finally I got tired of it and rolled down the window, said "stop eyeballing me right now I'm armed and you're making me nervous". The little punk put his eyes on his floormat and didn't look at me again. I still think the little punk was planning on jumping me, not like his 98lb. ass could have done any damage.:lol: