Mixed Government advocate
- Oct 22, 2012
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- Libertarian - Right
Everything he wrote is true and is happening in the U.S. nowadays. Sad, really.
well at least we can take solace in the fact that we don't worship the founding fathers like gods, like the citizens city of Colombia do in the game bioshock infinite
link is a image in the game of a statue of "father jefferson"
he [the king] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.
Of course, no one spoke out against slavery until cool people like you came along.
That's one of the standard far-wrong responses to just about any issue on which their side looks bad. It woudl be surprising for someone on the far wrong to respond in this thread without resorting to race-baiting, or some similar wrong-wing irrelevancy.
Stating what I think Jefferson's reaction to the modern world would be like is race baiting now? :roll:
He wasn't meaningfully against slavery. His positions were contradictory at best. Not to mention he thought black people were inferior and didn't want slaves to be freed for fear of slave rebellions.
And that he didn't recognize Haiti because it was a nation of freed slaves.
I never claimed he was perfect, I'm just pointing out that your position that he would "weep to see free black people" is completely ridiculous since he openly advocated for such at a time when such advocacy was a detriment to him instead of an advantage.
Jefferson would be weeping that conservatives misinterpret the constitution and try to rewrite history.
Judge Napolitano was pretty spot on though. Although, after Jefferson made his famous quotes about a standing army and having a revolution every twenty years, he himself endorsed a standing army to squelch rebellions almost as soon as he became president.
I doubt that.
Why are you being a race baiter?
There are parts of our history I wish we didn't have.Moot said:Are you ashamed of US history?
Yes. I don't think he would be "weeping" because blacks are free. My response was a strong dislike to a posting that to me, suggested, he would be unhappy blacks were free:Moot said:It's no secret Jefferson sired many slaves. A lot of slave descendents have his last name. But unlike instagramsci, I think he'd be happy they're free and slavery was finally abolished, don't you?
Thomas Jefferson would be weeping if he saw free black people
My response was a strong dislike to a posting that to me, suggested, he would be unhappy blacks were free:
Yes, a common point. Now consider this. If your neighbors were cruel to the animals they own, and you liked animals, wouldn't you buy and save as many animals you could to treat them humanly? Jefferson was a good man, and the fact he owns slaves doesn't mean he should be guilty the negative connotations that goes with it.Well, there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence to support the idea that Jefferson disliked the institution of slavery so much that he refused to benefit from it. His attitude seemed to have been, "Yes, it's a very bad thing, but until we ALL agree that it's a very bad thing we shouldn't do anything to stop it." He legislated against the international trade, but did nothing about domestic slavery.
You can't call him slavery's greatest advocate, but nor could you describe him as it's staunchest foe.