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On the Fourth of July

nota bene

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Tomorrow on our nation's birthday, I hope we will all celebrate how fortunate we are to live in a country in which women who want to protest (and carry nasty signs and dress half-nekkid in the streets) can.

Meanwhile, in Egypt in the past four days there have been nearly a hundred rapes of women who dared to be out in the streets, including foreign reporters.

I just wanted to offer a little red-white-and-blue perspective.
 
News stations around the world need to stop sending female reporters or for that matter anyone into the crowd. Those assholes have killed one reporter after gang raping her and raped at least five others. For god sakes, stop going in there.
 
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My country celebrated it's birthday on the 1st. I'm thankful to live in a free nation where women can make their own medical choices in consultation with their doctors and those who would threaten that right are relatively few and ineffective in getting their agenda accomplished.
 

Nota...I was actually on the edge of applauding your post...until it was suddenly shaded with
women who want to protest (and carry nasty signs and dress half-nekkid in the streets) can.

What I see women doing is standing up against an oppressive group of extremist politicians who want to reduce women to subservient, obedient objects controlled by government and "men" who want to put women in their place.

If they have to protest fully naked to get the job done...so be it. And the signs I've recently seen women waving isn't nasty enough. They are protesting against political actions by tyrants who want to return women's political status back to times before women could vote or have any say in defense of themselves.

Now that's offering some red-white-and blue.

It's terrible, horrible that women anywhere get raped. There are still many rapes in this country.

Brave women journalists who put themselves in harms way have more courage, more patriotic, and more balls than the treasonous, gutless men in high political positions and seats in government who want to reduce their liberties and rights while nested in their cozy, secure mansions and government buildings.
 

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On this fine day, 237 years ago, the mission statement of the United States was signed.


When will we live up to the nature of so fine a creed and protect all human beings, all created equally?

When will we the people do our duty?
 
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On this fine day, 237 years ago, the mission statement of the United States was signed.



When will we live up to the nature of so fine a creed and protect all human beings, all created equally?

When will we the people do our duty?

When you finally figure out that the last line is the key to the message: honor is sacred and lives are not, and you can't have honor if you don't have liberty. These guys risked their lives for liberty. Meanwhile, you're out there trying to destroy other people's liberty so that you can get more human lives out of their bodies. You don't even understand the creed of our Founding Fathers.
 

Honi soit qui mal y pense (The Order of the Garter: "Shame on him who thinks evil upon it").

Insofar as I'm aware, there were/are no half-nekkid women protesting in Austin. You live there but didn't know this? What? I had no intention of suggesting that the pro-choice protesters were half-naked.

What I was trying to do was offer a contrast to the women who are covered on the streets of Cairo but who are nevertheless being sexually assaulted. The point is that we can protest alongside men dressed mainly as we please or otherwise behaving "shockingly" without fear of being raped. What a shame that you are so eager to see ill-intent in my words.

My intention, and so I repeat it today on Independence Day, was to celebrate a great nation's birthday with an example with which I thought we could all agree--how lucky we are, especially the women and girls, to live in a country where we can exercise our rights without being raped.
 

Does it creep anyone else out that vacuuming a little one out of its mother's body, essentially ripping that little one's body completely apart and tossing it away, is called "a medical choice"?
 
Does it creep anyone else out that vacuuming a little one out of its mother's body, essentially ripping that little one's body completely apart and tossing it away, is called "a medical choice"?

...or "liberty".
 
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On this fine day, 237 years ago, the mission statement of the United States was signed.



When will we live up to the nature of so fine a creed and protect all human beings, all created equally?

When will we the people do our duty?

Jay while that is a nice sentiment...it's much more complex. So complex that it may be impossible to achieve...without a truly defined meaning of "created equal". But thus far...not many agree on exactly what that means.

Now keep in mind that "created equally" should be way more than a metaphor...or some philosophical expression of humanness.

So...against my better judgment of even making this request. Please, with a much detail as possible, describe how " ALL ARE CREATED EQUALLY"?

Oh, and Jay...Happy Independence Day to you...and may there be Liberty and Justice for All...(well...depending how each of us define the word "all").
 
Does it creep anyone else out that vacuuming a little one out of its mother's body, essentially ripping that little one's body completely apart and tossing it away, is called "a medical choice"?

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What creeps me out is people who think I am breeding stock and should be forced to risk my life gestating a pregnancy I don't want.
 
So you are proud to live in a nation where the unborn are thought so little of?
 
Does it creep anyone else out that vacuuming a little one out of its mother's body, essentially ripping that little one's body completely apart and tossing it away, is called "a medical choice"?

Its more than just creepy. Its disgusting.
 
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What creeps me out is people who think I am breeding stock and should be forced to risk my life gestating a pregnancy I don't want.

Meh. You might have an argument if there was no such thing as birth control. :shrug:
 
Meh. You might have an argument if there was no such thing as birth control. :shrug:

Because contraception is always 100% effective and sex is always consensual.

Oh, wait, we're talking about reality. Neither of those things are true in reality.
 
Does it creep anyone else out that vacuuming a little one out of its mother's body, essentially ripping that little one's body completely apart and tossing it away, is called "a medical choice"?

Not nearly as creepy as stoning a women to death for adultery but that is legal in many countries that don't allow abortion.
Do you think we should stone women that have abortions?
 
Because contraception is always 100% effective and sex is always consensual.

Oh, wait, we're talking about reality. Neither of those things are true in reality.

Neither is talking about most contraceptives failing when they are used reliably. If you look at Guttmacher stats, 46% of women seeking abortion didn't use any when they became pregnant. Condom, the pill, whatever--are mainly very reliable when used faithfully.

And rape-pregnancies aren't ordinary either.
 

Yup. And whose fault is that, exactly?

As a millennial who sat through a supposed "sex ed" class that told me contraception doesn't work and is evil (at a public school, no less), I think America needs to look solely at itself for the cause of that problem.

But it's worth noting that even in countries where contraceptive use is very high and very effective, abortion does not simply cease to exist (although it is far less common).
 
How about we not turn a 4th of July thread into a pointless abortion thread...
 
How about we not turn a 4th of July thread into a pointless abortion thread...

I think that was kinda thwarted by posting it in the abortion forum and calling pro-choice protesters "nasty." Maybe it's just me...
 
I think that was kinda thwarted by posting it in the abortion forum and calling pro-choice protesters "nasty." Maybe it's just me...
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What makes you think my comment wasn't directed at the OP as well?
 
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What makes you think my comment wasn't directed at the OP as well?

Nothin'. Just saying. It's kinda of inevitable that will turn into an abortion thread. Why else would the OP have posted it here?
 
Nothin'. Just saying. It's kinda of inevitable that will turn into an abortion thread. Why else would the OP have posted it here?

To make it an abortion thread. Which I don't like.
 
To make it an abortion thread. Which I don't like.

I hear ya. I do.

But I think the inflammatory nature of of it -- the whole "you people should feel lucky we even allow you to speak" attitude -- deserves addressing. We have a right to speak out for women 365 days a year.
 
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