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How long have you been a member of NAMBLA? Myself, I think it's sick and disgusting for 10 or 12 year old to be able to legally consent to marriage to say a 30 year old even though that's "who they love". Why don't you?
Excuse me? Please show me where I supported NAMBLA. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? YOU were the one asking how these people could be twisted and allowed to marry the ones they love (Hence why I quoted you).
I asked if you understood legal consent, you clearly do not. 10-12 year olds cannot give legal consent, so their relationship with an adult is ILLEGAL. Your slippery slope argument is a lousy one in regards to gay rights.
38 pages in and nobody can say what the factual NEGATIVE consequences of equal rights for gays is
weird, i wonder why
I've certainly given a number of examples of what people are experiencing in their states after the passage of same sex marriage. From Religious run adoption organizations who in rights of conscience believe a child needs to be in a home with a mother and a father and a federal judge ruled they will have to accept same sex couples for adoption. The adoption organization could not do that so are now closed.
Parents suing a school board over elementary children being introduced to homosexual curriculum and wanted their children exempted from the classes. Federal judge ruled no and told the parents if they don't like it go start their own school.
There have been cases as of late where federal judges have trampled the right of conscience over not willing to supply services in relation to weddings to gays and being charged with discrimination for it.
Same-sex marriage is a new family form. Same-sex marriage and marriage alternatives are producing more change in family law, laws in discrimination, and these new laws are affecting traditional marriages and traditional families not just by law but in culture. It's still unknown what the total affects of it will be but what has changed for traditional families, socially, economically, and in religious freedoms has been a real negative. Enough of a negative for those who have not yet passed gay marriage in their state, should think long and hard.
1.)I've certainly given a number of examples of what people are experiencing in their states after the passage of same sex marriage. From Religious run adoption organizations who in rights of conscience believe a child needs to be in a home with a mother and a father and a federal judge ruled they will have to accept same sex couples for adoption. The adoption organization could not do that so are now closed.
2.) Parents suing a school board over elementary children being introduced to homosexual curriculum and wanted their children exempted from the classes. Federal judge ruled no and told the parents if they don't like it go start their own school.
3.)There have been cases as of late where federal judges have trampled the right of conscience over not willing to supply services in relation to weddings to gays and being charged with discrimination for it.
4.)Same-sex marriage is a new family form. Same-sex marriage and marriage alternatives are producing more change in family law, laws in discrimination, and these new laws are affecting traditional families not just by law but in culture.
5.) It's still unknown what the total affects of it will be but what has changed for traditional families, socially, economically, and in religious freedoms has been a real negative. Enough of a negative for those who have not yet passed gay marriage in their state, should think long and hard.
Like Agent J said....nothing negative.
Unless of course you're a bigoted religious nut filled with hatred and hypocrisy...
The vast majority of us are feeling secure and happy with the "changes".
Definitely a victory for equal rights .. except the part about allowing SS-couples to check the "married" box -- there should be a "homarried" box to check or the like, separate, obviously, from "married", as OS-couples (married) are a definitive propriety different entity from SS-couples (homarried), and thus these two civil union domestic partnerships should not rightly be called the same thing any more than a cat show should be called a dog show.Backup link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/u...l-gay-marriages-regardless-of-state.html?_r=0
another victory for equal rights, slowly but surely discrimination is losing and equality is winning!!!
The only people who feel the need to separate them are people who have issues with LGBT Americans. There isn't a practical reason to separate as they are entering the same contract. By your logic, we should also separate interracial marriages because they're different. My point being, yes a cat show, and dog show are different, but we still call them both shows. In you wanna throw the words "same sex" in front of some peoples marriages that's fine by me, but marriage is marriage.Definitely a victory for equal rights .. except the part about allowing SS-couples to check the "married" box -- there should be a "homarried" box to check or the like, separate, obviously, from "married", as OS-couples (married) are a definitive propriety different entity from SS-couples (homarried), and thus these two civil union domestic partnerships should not rightly be called the same thing any more than a cat show should be called a dog show.
Like Agent J said....nothing negative.
Unless of course you're a bigoted religious nut filled with hatred and hypocrisy...
The vast majority of us are feeling secure and happy with the "changes".
I give it 10 years before Democrats start trying to normalize pedophilia. I've already posted an article that sets the groundwork for it.
They'll pump out the propaganda science articles, claiming it "might be genetic" or "chemical". Pedophiles can't help it. They are wired that way. We must have tolerance. They are victims. Gays apparently are "more equal" than polygamists, pedophiles, transgender (changing soon. They will be the next angels we have to adore. We will start to see transgendered characters in sitcoms. It will be taught in school as special and wonderful. It's already happening now)
We've gone from gays demanding right to Christians now being targeted and harassed for their beliefs. Freedom of Speech is a one way street on Authoritarian Ave.
Yes it is a valid point to include the history of organizations that were part of the gay rights movement in the beginning. I have never claimed all agreed with NAMBLA but that NAMBLA was part of their organizations for decades. To deny that is being intellectually dishonest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
This article shows certain organizations within the gay movement putting pressure on other organizations within the gay movement with ties to NAMBLA to break them at the same time connecting the ties to NAMBLA with certain gay rights organizations nationally and internationally.
Now you and others continue to go back to my NAMBLA statement as not being valid. Well clearly the organization had ties to the gay rights movement. Deal with it. It seems you all are using the NAMBLA issue to avoid discussing how laws on discrimination and Gay marriage are affecting us now and the affects they will have in the future.
Since the definition of marriage is being changed, I'm going to place my bet on incest to be the next frontier.... after all the gay activists claim “Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back — government has no place in the middle.”
Shouldn’t that include committed incestuous relationships? If love and commitment are now the justification for marriage now, why exempt this? The reason we don't allow incest relationships is because of the deformity in the children in can cause. But wait! Gay couples can't have children! So what's stopping them? A father with a son/step-son or a mother and a daughter/step daughter can't produce children.
I can see a real tax advantage to this also for If that were so, if I wanted to pass on my estate without death [taxes], I could marry my daughter and pass on my estate to her. After all if life comes down to who you love and who loves you back, if a father and son love each other so much they want to get married, there is little moral difference between two people of the same sex getting married who are not related and want to be and two people of the same sex who already are related becoming closer.
Slippery slope fallacy.
Fallacious arguments.
Like Agent J said....nothing negative.
Unless of course you're a bigoted religious nut filled with hatred and hypocrisy...
The vast majority of us are feeling secure and happy with the "changes".
The fail is you not willing to recognize how much NAMBLA was associated with the modern gay rights movement. Up until just recently gays started distanting themselves from the group. Up until recently they marched in gay pride parades.
Meet Harry Hay the founder of the Mattachine Society, the first gay rights organization in the country. The problem with Harry for gays is his support for NAMBLA. Though there has been an effort to sanitize this knowledge, NAMBLA is very open about Harry's relationship with the organization.
Harry Hay on Man/Boy Love
And today Harry Hay is recognized at the LGBTH history. His day is October 8th.
Harry Hay | LGBTHistoryMonth.com
So for you or anyone else to deny the history of the gay movement that welcomed the support of NAMBLA up until recently is revising history.
And as we see the redefinition of marriage unfolding before our eyes under "civil rights" there is no reason to believe that other sexual preferences will not follow.
The stuck broken record syndrome. Don't agree with me? Automatically I'll call them bigots, haters, hypocrites and such. Over and over. LOL.
You get no mileage out of that anymore . It's been way over played.
Here's a snip from sociologist Mark Regnerus study that was published in Social Science Research, Volume 41, Issue 4 July 2012 as it relates to children of gay couples:
"Although the findings reported herein may be explicable in part by a variety of forces uniquely problematic for child development in lesbian and gay families—including a lack of social support for parents, stress exposure resulting from persistent stigma, and modest or absent legal security for their parental and romantic relationship statuses—the empirical claim that no notable differences exist must go."
He found kids raised by gays have more problems than by straight parents. Now he doesn't make any claim that gays can't do a good job just that overall he found their kids had more problems. That runs counter to many previous reports and he explains why. Pretty common sense stuff if a person takes the time to read it instead of the attack machine that went out of control when he published the report. The thought police hit the melt down mode on this one.
So as vesper has been saying, a lot of thought should go into any gay marriage decisions. Marriage sets the standards for the family unit even though that unit has been under attack from the left as well for years already. Sorry ladies but single women usually make poor daddies. Not always, but usually. So now if we start adding even more strain on kids with gay parents, which the research shows higher numbers will have, what's tomorrow look like?
Kids raised by gays have more trouble than other kids because of ****ing people like you downloading your **** onto your children. And because the system you are right now defending gives the parents that trouble.
The man is saying this is your fault.
And ****ing KKK members marched in Tea Party rallies. You want to take responsibility for them? Voting Republican leads to deportation of non-whites? "Theres no reason to believe" that such things wont follow?
No, because that would be silly.
By the way, there are heterosexual pedophiles. Therefore you shouldn't have the right to get married, yes? Slippery slope, man.
That's complete BS.
Straight people have so FUBAR'd marriage it's not even funny.
Don't tell me you support Kim K getting married to Kanye, but two "real" people in love who happen to be of the same sex can't do the same thing.
Society isn't going to radically change because a small sub-set of something less than 5% of the overall population is allowed to get married.
If you don't like the idea, don't do it, but don't try to prevent others from doing it.
Kinda like drinking beer or smoking cigarettes.
well we are at 40 pages now
do anybody have any FACTUAL NEGATIVE consequences, any?
The stuck broken record syndrome. Don't agree with me? Automatically I'll call them bigots, haters, hypocrites and such. Over and over. LOL.
You get no mileage out of that anymore . It's been way over played.
Here's a snip from sociologist Mark Regnerus study that was published in Social Science Research, Volume 41, Issue 4 July 2012 as it relates to children of gay couples:
"Although the findings reported herein may be explicable in part by a variety of forces uniquely problematic for child development in lesbian and gay families—including a lack of social support for parents, stress exposure resulting from persistent stigma, and modest or absent legal security for their parental and romantic relationship statuses—the empirical claim that no notable differences exist must go."
He found kids raised by gays have more problems than by straight parents. Now he doesn't make any claim that gays can't do a good job just that overall he found their kids had more problems. That runs counter to many previous reports and he explains why. Pretty common sense stuff if a person takes the time to read it instead of the attack machine that went out of control when he published the report. The thought police hit the melt down mode on this one.
So as vesper has been saying, a lot of thought should go into any gay marriage decisions. Marriage sets the standards for the family unit even though that unit has been under attack from the left as well for years already. Sorry ladies but single women usually make poor daddies. Not always, but usually. So now if we start adding even more strain on kids with gay parents, which the research shows higher numbers will have, what's tomorrow look like?
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