On cops response to Pelosi - can someone explain.....

[mike2810]

Oh. Then I guess you're agreeing that the Jenkins presser did not serve as a model for pressers. I certainly agree.

oh, Then you guessed wrong.

Why do you need the information you ask for right now? Could you not wait till the investigation is over?

(nice try in try in misusing what I posted. Do you write for Trump?)

 

[GOP Hippo]

Why would a "leftist" turn up on the Speaker's doorstep with zip ties, a hammer, and a plan to smash her kneecaps? To save McCarthy the effort?

I don't know why he did that.
How would I know?
Go to San Francisco and ask his peers why he did it.
This guy is not a Trump supporter nor is he a Republican.

 

[bubbabgone]

oh, Then you guessed wrong.

Why do you need the information you ask for right now? Could you not wait till the investigation is over?

(nice try in try in misusing what I posted. Do you write for Trump?)

Then why not just say Jenkins' presser was just as good as pressers by the NTSB?
You'd be wrong, of course, is that why you didn't say it?
I was curious so I just played a couple of NTSB pressers and they were loaded with details.
The speakers didn't try to protect anyone as to responsibilities that may have mitigated the problem had they been executed as they should have been.
But perhaps most importantly, the speakers didn't suggest culpability beyond any responsible person who was inspired to do damage by a third party.

 

[mike2810]

Then why not just say Jenkins' presser was just as good as pressers by the NTSB?
You'd be wrong, of course, is that why you didn't say it?
I was curious so I just played a couple of NTSB pressers and they were loaded with details.
The speakers didn't try to protect anyone as to responsibilities that may have mitigated the problem had they been executed as they should have been.
But perhaps most importantly, the speakers didn't suggest culpability beyond any responsible person who was inspired to do damage by a third party.

sigh.
That is not what I am saying. Jenkins "presser" was NOT as good as NTSB

Why do you believe the public has a right to every detail during an ongoing investigation?

 

[bubbabgone]

sigh.
That is not what I am saying. Jenkins "presser" was NOT as good as NTSB

Why do you believe the public has a right to every detail during an ongoing investigation?

One answer is in the last 2 sentences of the comment you replied to.
Another answer is that complete and honest transparency doesn't leave room for conspiracy theories.
Maybe in this era of corruption from the highest down to the lowest levels of Government tend to foster conspiracy theories.
Do you need examples?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

One answer is in the last 2 sentences of the comment you replied to.
Another answer is that complete and honest transparency doesn't leave room for conspiracy theories.

If you believe that, then you should talk to the Sandy Hook families.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I am no Pelosi fan, but it's pretty god damn despicable for an 80 year old man to be a victim of a hammer attack and then have pieces of shit inventing conspiracies about it.

 

[bubbabgone]

If you believe that, then you should talk to the Sandy Hook families.

Why?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Why?

Why do you think? Do you think that Sandy Hook was a false flag?

 

[roguenuke]

The facts?
This guy that attacked Pelosi is a leftist.
That's a fact.
Shall we still blame right wingers?

That is not a fact. He believed heavily in the rightwing conspiracy theories. At one time he may have been a leftist, but at the time of the attack, he was not. It could be said that he is someone who basically did the loop though, was so far left that he went to the anarchy beliefs, leading him to QAnon and then into MAGA land.

 

[GOP Hippo]

That is not a fact. He believed heavily in the rightwing conspiracy theories. At one time he may have been a leftist, but at the time of the attack, he was not. It could be said that he is someone who basically did the loop though, was so far left that he went to the anarchy beliefs, leading him to QAnon and then into MAGA land.

Just cus he figured out Pelosi is a big liar doesn't make the guy a Conservative. Being violent is a leftist thing.

 

[roguenuke]

Just cus he figured out Pelosi is a big liar doesn't make the guy a Conservative. Being violent is a leftist thing.

Being violent is a human thing, both left and right. The guy believed in pretty much all the MAGA conspiracy theories, including QAnon, which believes Trump is a great savior of the Republic.

Rightwing doesn't have to be conservative in everything they do/believe either. Many libertarians are not really "conservatives", but are rightwing.

However, there's still a problem with your claims even if he were to be considered leftist. He wasn't attacking because of his "leftist" views, but because of the rightwing rhetoric and conspiracy theories he believed. Those rightwing, MAGA lies were what fueled his attack, not whatever leftwing ideology he may have also subscribed to.

 

[bubbabgone]

Why do you think? Do you think that Sandy Hook was a false flag?

No.
Do you think the media/official withholding/changing of information could foster conspiracy theories?

 

[roguenuke]

No.
Do you think the media/official withholding/changing of information could foster conspiracy theories?

Since those CTs started basically the first day, no. That is an excuse.

Additionally, why does anyone think that every last detail of an ongoing investigation should be released, particularly one that we know is almost certain to lead to a criminal trial, which means details being out there can taint the jury?

 

[bubbabgone]

Since those CTs started basically the first day, no. That is an excuse.

Additionally, why does anyone think that every last detail of an ongoing investigation should be released, particularly one that we know is almost certain to lead to a criminal trial, which means details being out there can taint the jury?

Once you introduce politics as a motivation as Jenkins did it encourages conspiracies.
Reported story changes started the 1st day and they're still happening.
Surely you've heard about the NBC story just yesterday.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

No.
Do you think the media/official withholding/changing of information could foster conspiracy theories?

I think that by and large there are three types of people that are prone to conspiracy theories:

1. People lacking in good critical thinking skills.

2. People with severe mental illness.

3. Horrible people.

For example, with Sandy Hook, some of the parents tried to convince the conspiracy theorists by showing them their kid's former report cards, birth certificates, death certificates and even their autopsy reports. For the vast majority of Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists, this was still not enough, with some of them demanding the parents exhume their kids bodies to prove they actually existed.

Think about that, think about having lost your own kid, the worst thing that can happen to a parent, and people following you around accusing you of being a liar, a paid actor, telling you that your loss never happened. It is beyond unconscionable, yet millions of people believed those false flag conspiracies.

In the case of Paul Pelosi, he is an 82 year old man that was attacked in his own house by a lunatic with a hammer. His skull was fractured. An utter nightmare of an experience. Yet, instead of being treated like a victim, we have millions of people thinking that he was attacked by his gay prostitute. Is there any evidence for this? No, just a collection of stupid and/or utterly reprehensible people coming up with shit.

What do we know from actual court filings:

Paul Pelosi awoke twice in the early hours of Oct. 28. The first time he groggily discovered a hammer-wielding intruder in his bedroom asking for his wife, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The second time, he regained consciousness in a pool of his own blood, having suffered a fractured skull grappling with the assailant in front of police.

State and federal prosecutors who charged the suspect – David DePape, 42, of Richmond, California – with attempting to murder Paul Pelosi said he was on a suicide mission, threatening to kneecap Nancy Pelosi and hunt down other unspecified public officials, according to court documents.

Paul Pelosi attack video released. Here's how the assault on Nancy Pelosi's husband unfolded

Court records and statements by prosecutors and police have painted a detailed account of the hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi.

www.usatoday.com

What more do you need to know? There is still more we will find out about this attack as court proceedings continue, but we already know that the conspiracy theory that the guy was his prostitute, is utter bullshit.

There are people to this day that don't think we landed on the moon. There are millions of Americans that think Trump rightfully won the 2020 election. There are people that still think that 9/11 was in inside job. No amount of information will appease stupid people or horrible people.

 

[bubbabgone]

I think that by and large there are three types of people that are prone to conspiracy theories:

1. People lacking in good critical thinking skills.

2. People with severe mental illness.

3. Horrible people.

For example, with Sandy Hook, some of the parents tried to convince the conspiracy theorists by showing them their kid's former report cards, birth certificates, death certificates and even their autopsy reports. For the vast majority of Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists, this was still not enough, with some of them demanding the parents exhume their kids bodies to prove they actually existed.

Think about that, think about having lost your own kid, the worst thing that can happen to a parent, and people following you around accusing you of being a liar, a paid actor, telling you that your loss never happened. It is beyond unconscionable, yet millions of people believed those false flag conspiracies.

In the case of Paul Pelosi, he is an 82 year old man that was attacked in his own house by a lunatic with a hammer. His skull was fractured. An utter nightmare of an experience. Yet, instead of being treated like a victim, we have millions of people thinking that he was attacked by his gay prostitute. Is there any evidence for this? No, just a collection of stupid and/or utterly reprehensible people coming up with shit.

What do we know from actual court filings:

Paul Pelosi attack video released. Here's how the assault on Nancy Pelosi's husband unfolded

Court records and statements by prosecutors and police have painted a detailed account of the hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi.

www.usatoday.com

What more do you need to know? There is still more we will find out about this attack as court proceedings continue, but we already know that the conspiracy theory that the guy was his prostitute, is utter bullshit.

There are people to this day that don't think we landed on the moon. There are millions of Americans that think Trump rightfully won the 2020 election. There are people that still think that 9/11 was in inside job. No amount of information will appease stupid people or horrible people.

You sound like a Democrat Party voter and the Party appreciates your unquestioning loyalty and dependence.
Do you see any reason not to release the bodycam videos? They have to at least reflect and support the police reports, right?
Do you see any reason for Jenkins not to mention the citizenship and criminal record of the perp?
BTW, see #390.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

You sound like a Democrat Party voter and the Party appreciates your unquestioning loyalty and dependence.
Do you see any reason not to release the bodycam videos? They have to at least reflect and support the police reports, right?
Do you see any reason for Jenkins not to mention the citizenship and criminal record of the perp?
BTW, see #390.

First rule of critical thinking, the most obvious and reasonable explanation is usually the correct one unless disproven.

 

[GOP Hippo]

Being violent is a human thing, both left and right. The guy believed in pretty much all the MAGA conspiracy theories, including QAnon, which believes Trump is a great savior of the Republic.

Rightwing doesn't have to be conservative in everything they do/believe either. Many libertarians are not really "conservatives", but are rightwing.

However, there's still a problem with your claims even if he were to be considered leftist. He wasn't attacking because of his "leftist" views, but because of the rightwing rhetoric and conspiracy theories he believed. Those rightwing, MAGA lies were what fueled his attack, not whatever leftwing ideology he may have also subscribed to.

Right, lets just ignore what I said and let you talk about what you thought you heard.

 

[roguenuke]

Right, lets just ignore what I said and let you talk about what you thought you heard.

Because what you said was irrelevant. It doesn't matter if he holds other views that are "leftist". What matters are which views motivated the violence. It wasn't his "leftist" positions that motivated his violence. It was his belief in MAGA conspiracy theories, rightwing conspiracy theories.

He can hold 1000 viewpoints that lean left, but if the one viewpoint he has that is rightwing in nature, leans right, is the one that motivated the attack, the violence, that is the actual one that matters, that led to the violence.

 

[bubbabgone]

First rule of critical thinking, the most obvious and reasonable explanation is usually the correct one unless disproven.

"Critical thinking" is 2 words and you're ignoring the 1st one.