Oklahoma to Continue Lethal Injections After Man Vomits During Execution

[Roadvirus]

We could always bring the guillotine back.

 

[Fletch]

If the point is punishment, don't you think they should be taking place? To a great extent they are not. Who else suffers? The guards killing the prisoner, the prisoners family and so on. If punishment is the purpose, shouldn't they just be flayed?

Commit a capital crime and you get a capital punishment

 

[Fletch]

The punishment aspect is pointless unless it deters future crime. What you are describing is vengeance and that has no place in morality.

Umm this execution will deter future crime. John Grant wont so much as jaywalk from here on out.

 

[ASHES]

Umm this execution will deter future crime. John Grant wont so much as jaywalk from here on out.

You can't jaywalk in prison. I suppose it's true he won't kill any more prison cafeteria workers though.


Still against the death penalty.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Umm this execution will deter future crime. John Grant wont so much as jaywalk from here on out.

This is a primitive attitude

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Oklahoma to Continue Lethal Injections After Man Vomits During Execution (Published 2021)

It was the state’s first lethal injection since 2015, when it halted executions after using the wrong drug in one instance and allowing a prisoner to regain consciousness in another.

www.nytimes.com

It was the state’s first lethal injection since 2015, when it halted executions after using the wrong drug in one instance and allowing a prisoner to regain consciousness in another.

The director of Oklahoma’s prison system said on Friday that he did not plan to make any changes to the agency’s lethal injection protocols, a day after a man vomited while shaking for several minutes during the state’s first execution since 2015.

The man, John Marion Grant, was the first person executed by Oklahoma since prison officials made severe mistakes in previous executions, including using the wrong drug in one instance and, in another, allowing a prisoner to regain consciousness.

Mr. Grant, 60, was convicted of stabbing a prison cafeteria worker to death in 1998.
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There is no justification for this in today's society. But this is what you can expect in red states.

Look, a Democrat saying it’s acceptable to murder a cafeteria worker and not be punished.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

L

This lethal injection, gas chamber, electric chair stuff is nuts. Just kneel the guy down and put a .22 slug in the back of his head. We seem to go out of our way to make these things messy and complicated.

I'm against the death penalty but if you're going to do it, do it right.

Look another person who is against justice.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Sure. And it would have been "successful" if we hanged them too. Maybe the state doesn't have any business executing people.

Hanging is actually the best form of execution. And yes, the state does have business executing people. Your life is the mere prerogative in terms of punishment for a crime committed.

 

[Antiwar]

The USG executes boatloads of people.

 

[VanceMack]

I am willing to bet a significant amount of money that that individual will never kill another prison lunch lady ever again. Takers?

You cant get better 'deterrence' than that.

The death penalty is not a deterrent for OTHER individuals because it is used too infrequently. Im not a huge fan of the death penalty but probably not for the ridiculous reasons proposed by anti-death penalty types. There are however cases that are clearly worthy of the death penalty. In this case, JohnGrant not only proved he should be in prison for his crimes, but also that he was a threat to the health and well being of prisoners and prison workers and couldnt safely be held. He was deserving of death.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The punishment aspect is pointless unless it deters future crime. What you are describing is vengeance and that has no place in morality.

Totally wrong. The purpose of punishment is to penalize that offender for the crime they committed. Whether or not it deters anyone else is irrelevant.

 

[MaryP]

How friggen hard is it to kill a person humanely? Why all these issues? Maybe because sick people want them to suffer. Put the person to sleep, then give them a dose of anything. Shouldn't be that hard

We have people dying of Fentanyl overdoses everyday. Dogs and cats quietly and peacefully 'put to sleep.' Lethal injection is definitely some weird grisly shit.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

How friggen hard is it to kill a person humanely? Why all these issues? Maybe because sick people want them to suffer. Put the person to sleep, then give them a dose of anything. Shouldn't be that hard

Define “humane” leftists have the idea that the death penalty is never humane and so this argument you make is in bad faith

 

[Phys251]

I agree. We've gone way way out of our way to separate the responsibility for the killing from the act itself, and it's not clear what benefit we get from that.

Ideally, I'd have the jurors act as the firing squad. Make the decision real for them.

These days, they give a guy the death penalty knowing full well they'll be kicking around for years or decades on appeals, and there's a fair chance in that time the laws will change, or they'll find some reason to relitigate the charges. Meanwhile half the jurors and the survivors have died of old age.

When they eventually get around to finally (maybe) killing the guy no one even remembers what the ***** did to earn it, and it's all boo-hoo poor convict, look he prays to Jeebus now.

I say you vote for capital punishment on Monday, you shoot the guy through the chest Wednesday.

Get it right, own your mistakes, or don't do it in the first place.

That's a good way to execute even more innocent people.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That's a good way to execute even more innocent people.

There no innocent people who have been executed in America. You must be legally guilty in order to get the death penalty

 

[mrjurrs]

Commit a capital crime and you get a capital punishment

That's laughable. Are you saying that Ohio has had only about 400 capitol crimes since 1980? Because that's about the amount of death sentences your state has issued since then...

 

[Slartibartfast]

Totally wrong. The purpose of punishment is to penalize that offender for the crime they committed. Whether or not it deters anyone else is irrelevant.

Incorrect. The purpose of our prison and other system is to rehabilitate people, minimize future crime, and disincentivize crime.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Incorrect. The purpose of our prison and other system is to rehabilitate people, minimize future crime, and disincentivize crime.

No. It’s not. And capital Murder is definitionally a crime where the purpose of punishment is not to rehabilitate.

And rehabilitation is largely a scam anyway. The lefties who screech about “rehabilitation” also believe that criminals are victims of society and why should they change if they’re victims?

 

[Slartibartfast]

No. It’s not. And capital Murder is definitionally a crime where the purpose of punishment is not to rehabilitate.

One can still seek rehabilitation and helping this person learn right from wrong, but keep them in jail, at least for people who aren't sociopathic. For people capable of being rehabilitated, it is absolutely the right way to go.

And rehabilitation is largely a scam anyway. The lefties who screech about “rehabilitation” also believe that criminals are victims of society and why should they change if they’re victims?

I find it quite interesting that you claim to be a Christian and then argue people won't change. Also your question literally makes no sense and causes me to wonder if you understand the basic definitions of some of the words you are using.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Just kneel the guy down and put a .22 slug in the back of his head.

A ".22 slug" eh?

LMAO. Hopefully it wouldn't bounce off his skull.

You might want to go with a .44. Just to be sure.

 

[Loulit01]

A ".22 slug" eh?

LMAO. Hopefully it wouldn't bounce off his skull.

You might want to go with a .44. Just to be sure.

Nah. A .44 would make a big mess. A .22 might bounce off your skull but it will kill a human.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

One can still seek rehabilitation and helping this person learn right from wrong, but keep them in jail, at least for people who aren't sociopathic. For people capable of being rehabilitated, it is absolutely the right way to go.

I find it quite interesting that you claim to be a Christian and then argue people won't change. Also your question literally makes no sense and causes me to wonder if you understand the basic definitions of some of the words you are using.

You mix up “rehabilitation” with repentance.

These are different things. The death penalty is an affirmative good because the condemned is more likely to repent before dying and thus saving their soul.

Rehabilitation is a term made up for a pseudoscientific claim that criminals are not people who made morally evil decisions, but are merely sick and with another psycobabble and free jobs programs (that of course we should not provide to people who actually act within society’s rules they will one day just be cured. Doesn’t work like that

 

[ttwtt78640]

What is the point of executions anyway? Deterrence? Nope. Less expensive? Nope. Closure for the victims family? That's debatable. State vengeance? Seems the most likely.

How can you deny deterrence when the recidivism rate for those executed is zero? This brutal murder occurred inside a prison, so obviously locking folks up is not a deterrent either.

 

[Slartibartfast]

You mix up “rehabilitation” with repentance.

These are different things. The death penalty is an affirmative good because the condemned is more likely to repent before dying and thus saving their soul.

They have a lot of similar ideas and the idea of rehabilitation came from Christian circles.

Rehabilitation is a term made up for a pseudoscientific claim that criminals are not people who made morally evil decisions, but are merely sick and with another psycobabble and free jobs programs (that of course we should not provide to people who actually act within society’s rules they will one day just be cured. Doesn’t work like that

Incorrect. The field of psychology is robust and often times fields true insights into human nature, even if sometimes counter-intuitive.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

They have a lot of similar ideas and the idea of rehabilitation came from Christian circles.

Incorrect. The field of psychology is robust and often times fields true insights into human nature, even if sometimes counter-intuitive.

Psychology itself (which I never referred to) is largely pseudoscience, and overtly political pseudoscience. It merely follows whatever the current fad is. Like the fact that gender dysphoria was mental illness until one day it suddenly wasn’t.