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Ok, now let's see what happens to fast food restaurants in Commiefornia

Why are you assuming no one has work? Automation has been going on for thousands of years, and has really ramped up over the last 200 years. Do you see mass unemployment?

So where are fast food workers replaced by vending machines going to work? Please explain.
By the same reasoning the guy working in the Lamborghini factory should be able to afford one.
Total BS. Horrible try.

But the guy building a Ford Fiesta should be able to drive a Ford Fiesta.

That is what Ford was talking about. You don't really think he was talking about high end luxury cars do you?

Come on man!
 
Some people maybe, personally I don't use ordering kiosk's or self checkout lanes in stores. Every time we use a self checkout it takes hours away from
employees who could use the hours.
Laws like this may remove your choice!
 
"I have no idea how a business should be run."

The obvious didnt even need to be said...but you went ahead and said it. You people are ****ing AMAZING telling people that have run businesses how it should REALLY be done.
Run your business as you wish. But for the last 100 years or so, prosperous societies have decided that well paid workers are better for everyone. I worked in a steel plant one summer in the 1960s, as a helper to someone who ran the angle shears, cutting steel into parts to be used for towers you see carrying electric power. I complained to the old guy I worked with about having to pay a union initiation fee of $20 or so. His thoughts: “Listen, punk. When I started working in the 1930s. We worked seven days a week, 12 hours a day. There was a sign, saying, ‘if you don’t show up Sunday, don’t show up Monday.’ You’ll pay your dues and like it.” I paid my dues and liked it.

Our greatest prosperity as a nation came post WWII, when union workers or workers helped by the threat of unions made and spent a significant amount of money. One employer told me that the saying in his industry was, “anyone who gets a union, deserves one,” so positive was unions’ contributions that they made themselves unnecessary. Yet unionization in the US, as opposed to other countries, came accompanied with extraordinary repression from employer-influenced state and local governments.

The point of all my blather above is to say that unregulated businesses are not good for society, and often not good for business itself.
 
Why are you assuming no one has work? Automation has been going on for thousands of years, and has really ramped up over the last 200 years. Do you see mass unemployment?



By the same reasoning the guy working in the Lamborghini factory should be able to afford one.
Why not?
 
Companies should be required to pay their employees enough that they do not qualify for welfare.
Which if the worker is low or no skill is impossible. The state gets to set who qualifies for welfare. People with incomes as high as 75 grand a year can qualify for welfare.
Any company whose full time employees are so poor that they qualify for tax payers funded assistance should be fined to recoup the cost to the taxpayers of subsidizing a private company's proffits.
Or, maybe different welfare programs should be scaled back.
 
I think it's cute how those on the right who haven't worked a part-time shift in retail or the restaurant business think they have all the answers.

The price for fast food has been going up since lockdown at the beginning of the pandemic and it had nothing to do with what associates were getting paid. Inflation already skyrocketed....and it had little to do with raising min wage.

And for the love of all that is holy...can we stop using "commie" as a catchphrase for things you all don't like that have nothing to do with communism!?!? Please!!?!?
 
BS. Why is it impossible?

Based on a formula of what it costs to live.

Why.

So people would go hungry, get evicted?

What good would that do?
Well if you can’t make rent where you live you need to leave and go live somewhere cheaper Or move in with your family.
 
Well if you can’t make rent where you live you need to leave and go live somewhere cheaper Or move in with your family.
Lol.

Places where the rent is cheap usually don't have many jobs. That is why rent is cheap.

Now what?
 
Lol.

Places where the rent is cheap usually don't have many jobs. That is why rent is cheap.

Now what?
Well I guess your life sucks then.

I mean the government could ban new immigration which would help a little bit. But really what we’re talking about is people want to live in spacious accommodations in glamorous cities. I live in LA working a blue collar job and can afford my rent. The people who can’t afford their rent are living in neighborhoods too expensive or don’t wish to work hard enough
 
If I am understanding correctly, larger chains are having to increase their minimum wage by 7 dollars an hour?

That should make a 10 dollar burger about 12 Dollars where labor costs are generally about 25 percent of overhead...but I am getting old so maybe I figured this wrong?
You are fast. I am still trying to find commiefornia on the map.
 
Well I guess your life sucks then.

I mean the government could ban new immigration which would help a little bit. But really what we’re talking about is people want to live in spacious accommodations in glamorous cities. I live in LA working a blue collar job and can afford my rent. The people who can’t afford their rent are living in neighborhoods too expensive or don’t wish to work hard enough
Banning immigration wouldn't help at all.

There is not a shortage of jobs there is a shortage of workers.

The problem is that companies like walmart,, McDonald's, etc. Do not pay the full cost of their labor force.....instead they get the taxpayers to subsidize their profits by supporting their labor force with taxpayer funded assistance.

For every dime the tax payer spends subsidizing private company's profits through welfare to their employees, the company should be billed the full amount plus an additional 10% in fines.

The taxpayers have no business subsidizing the profits of private companies.
 
In 2018 - 2019, in super high cost New England, our starting pay for adults at 32 to 40 hrs - handling food under high pressure conditions, constant customer abuse with constant surveillance and to a performance timer was $9.00 per hour. When I was store level, three quarters of my 22 crew members were in treatment or advanced to subox self-maintenance, because to stay on the outside, every one of them had to have recorded min hours. These are who must work for such shit money.

This is an easily exploited labor pool, and most of them had other jobs, because they had to pay for their clinic time or probation, plus rent and food.

The failure and turnover rate was catastrophic for most stores, and I had to build retention with guaranteed schedules, and 'lending' to stores with over-time budgets. Some of my crew wouldn't have days off at all in entire quarters. For starvation money.

Why did you treat your crew so horribly? They needed organized.
 
Banning immigration wouldn't help at all.

There is not a shortage of jobs there is a shortage of workers.
Well rent would go down since real estate investment wouldn’t be valued on future growth of another 100,000,000 people in 30 years

Shortage of workers mean more wages
The problem is that companies like walmart,, McDonald's, etc. Do not pay the full cost of their labor force.....instead they get the taxpayers to subsidize their profits by supporting their labor force with taxpayer funded assistance.
Which is a conscious decision of left wing policy. If there was less welfare then wages would go up.
For every dime the tax payer spends subsidizing private company's profits through welfare to their employees, the company should be billed the full amount plus an additional 10% in fines.
Ok, but that’s not up to companies, that’s up to state legislatures who qualifies for welfare, so they should not be charged for that.
The taxpayers have no business subsidizing the profits of private companies.
Welfare subsidizes recipients directly, not companies.
 
Restaurants will go belly up quicker if some way isnt found to attract staff. And nobody cares what you think of having to pay a buck or two more. Maybe fewer restaurant customers and shorter drive-through lineups will help reduce the obesity and diabetes epidemics in the USA.
Fast food restaurants are great in a pinch, when about on the road. We also believe that prepared stuff...whatever tickles your fancy...works just as well at home, and on the road.
Wednesday seems to be the best day for fresh produce, either the farmers market or the grocery store. Not sure why. So we buy what we need, clean and prep it, ready to use. I am not sure why drive throughs are preferable to that. Less salt, less fat, knowing what you eat...
 
Well rent would go down since real estate investment wouldn’t be valued on future growth of another 100,000,000 people in 30 years
We already have labor shortages.......who is going to do those jobs then?

Which is a conscious decision of left wing policy. If there was less welfare then wages would go up.
No of it were up to left wing policy companies would be required to pay a living wage or reimburse the taxpayers for the cost of their own labor force.
Ok, but that’s not up to companies, that’s up to state legislatures who qualifies for welfare, so they should not be charged for that.
Who qualifies for welfare is a formula based on what it costs to live. Companies can calculate what a living wage is just as easily as the government can. They can use the same formula.
Welfare subsidizes recipients directly, not companies.
When 70% of Walmarts employees qualify for welfare while Walmart makes billions in profits that means we taxpayers are subsidizing Walmarts massive profits.

They should pay their own employees what it costs for them to live. If they don't they should be fined for the full amount of what it costs for taxpayers to subsidize their labor force, so taxpayers can recoup their money, plus fines.
 
We already have labor shortages.......who is going to do those jobs then?
Whoever is willing to Do them.
No of it were up to left wing policy companies would be required to pay a living wage or reimburse the taxpayers for the cost of their own labor force.
Living wage is a subjective judgment. What you lefties mean by living wage, is the ability to live like the cast of friends. In a giant apartment in the downtown area of a city.
Who qualifies for welfare is a formula based on what it costs to live. Companies can calculate what a living wage is just as easily as the government can. They can use the same formula.
Well again, what it cost to live is a subjective judgment.
When 70% of Walmarts employees qualify for welfare while Walmart makes billions in profits that means we taxpayers are subsidizing Walmarts massive profits.
Walmart is a retailer. Retailers do not pay high wages to floor level workers. There is many different kinds of people who work at Walmart, from teenagers living with their parents, two adults with low skills or developmental disabilities. No two of those people has the same cost of living. What you are saying is that Walmart should either not hire single mothers or disabled people at all, and try to focus mostly on hiring teenagers, To avoid having to pay punitive taxes for benefits that the state decided to pay. Walmart has no direct control over whether or not their employees can afford the living situation that they are in.
They should pay their own employees what it costs for them to live.
So someone living with their parents should get two dollars an hour and a single mom should get 35? This is different for every employee. That is not Walmarts problem.
If they don't they should be fined for the full amount of what it costs for taxpayers to subsidize their labor force, so taxpayers can recoup their money, plus fines.
The decision to pay welfare benefits is disconnected from Walmart. By your moral standards we could cut all welfare benefits to zero. Then we are not subsidizing Walmarts labor force at all.
 
I don't know if anyone else noticed but that model for the commission is similar to the German model for company boards where the employees and the guild in question has a voice on the board.
 
Whoever is willing to Do them.
There are more jobs than people........so......nobody.
Living wage is a subjective judgment.
No. It is a very special ific formula based on cost of living.

What you lefties mean by living wage, is the ability to live like the cast of friends. In a giant apartment in the downtown area of a city.
Nonsense. None of that has any bearing on the formula for what it is.
Well again, what it cost to live is a subjective judgment.
No it isn't. Where are you getting that?
Walmart is a retailer. Retailers do not pay high wages to floor level workers.
They need to start paying more......so the taxpayers are not subsidizing their profits by supporting their labor force......or else they should be billed for every dollar the their labor force costs the taxpayers.

There is many different kinds of people who work at Walmart, from teenagers living with their parents, two adults with low skills or developmental disabilities. No two of those people has the same cost of living.
Right. Seems like you dont know how welfare eligiability is calculated.

the formula for figuring out who qualifies for welfare takes that stuff into account. (For example teenagers living with their parents wouldn't qualify unless their parents don't make money elsewhere)

Yet 70% of Walmart employees qualify for welfare. Walmart has no direct control over whether or not their employees can afford the living situation that they are in.

Living wage is a formula.

The individual rent or living situation.
So someone living with their parents should get two dollars an hour and a single mom should get 35?
No.

You clearly have no idea how a living wage is calculated.

This is different for every employee.
No. Its not.


That is not Walmarts problem.
It is the taxpayers problem.
 
There are more jobs than people........so......nobody.
Good, that means higher wages
No. It is a very special ific formula based on cost of living.
Ok, write it out. Once you write the formula, tell me why it means anything except for the fact a government agency created it.
Nonsense. None of that has any bearing on the formula for what it is.
What formula?
No it isn't. Where are you getting that?
Pffft, because it is. I don’t know why you think it’s crazy to say “living wage” is a subjective measurement. There’s people who make 50 grand and retire millionaires and people making a million who are broke, different people live different lifestyles around the US and the world. If people survive in Bolivia then there’s no reason you can’t argue that people can just reduce their life expectations and cost of living would go down in that case.
They need to start paying more......so the taxpayers are not subsidizing their profits by supporting their labor force......or else they should be billed for every dollar the their labor force costs the taxpayers.
No, the determinations of welfare office employees cost the taxpayers.
Right. Seems like you dont know how welfare eligiability is calculated.

the formula for figuring out who qualifies for welfare takes that stuff into account. (For example teenagers living with their parents wouldn't qualify unless their parents don't make money elsewhere)
So now Walmart has to be responsible for their teenaged workers parents getting welfare? This seems like a complex and unworkable system
Yet 70% of Walmart employees qualify for welfare. Walmart has no direct control over whether or not their employees can afford the living situation that they are in.

Living wage is a formula.
Again, you keep saying “the formula” without putting a formula up. I don’t think you even know what formula is used. You just assume there must be one but you are ignorant as to what it is so you just keep chanting it like a spell.
The individual rent or living situation.

No.

You clearly have no idea how a living wage is calculated
Apprently neither do you.
.


No. Its not.
Yea, it is, you even admit that earlier.

(For example teenagers living with their parents wouldn't qualify unless their parents don't make money elsewhere)
It is the taxpayers problem.
So what? A lot of things are paid for with taxes. Welfare is a subsidy to individuals. It may be true that workers would earn higher wages if there was no welfare, but you aren’t going to advocate eliminating welfare so that’s the end of that discussion.
 
So, when should we expect to see the fast food crash in CA?
 
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