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OK Democrats, how should this Seattle takeover be handled?

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This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police or military action has taken place yet.

So, how do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?
 
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This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police are military action has taken place yet. How do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?

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This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police are military action has taken place yet. How do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?

It should be handled without bloodshed. There should be no kneeling on the necks of subdued protesters, for example. Shooting unarmed protesters in the back is also not what we should see.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
What are their demands exactly? Besides government subsidized housing outside of their mom's basement?
 
This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police or military action has taken place yet.

So, how do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?

Why would there be military or law enforcement reactions to this?
 
This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police or military action has taken place yet.

So, how do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?

By shooting them with tear gas and rubber bullets so the president can awkwardly hold a bible?
 
I would personally prefer to see a diplomatic solution. Send someone in who can negotiate with them about their demands, figure out what is realistic, and have a conversation about a plan to move forward with what is best for the people and the city. Even if that does not result in an immediate end, it shows solidarity and a willingness to listen.
 
They still have police in Seattle? ;)
 
This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police or military action has taken place yet.

So, how do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?

I'm thinking something along the lines of that Marine operation in Fallujah....without the shoot on sight orders, of course.

It's a relatively small area. A Battalion should be able to handle it.

Encircle the entire area. Apprehend everyone who tries to leave the area. Send forces in to search the entire area and round up everyone. If they have weapons, arrest them immediately. If they use their weapons, kill them. If they are identified as locals who are not part of the occupation forces, release them. If they are part of the occupation forces, find out their level of involvement and go on from there.

And then tell the city government and their ***** police force that this will NOT happen again or they can kiss ALL federal subsidies bye-bye.
 
I would personally prefer to see a diplomatic solution. Send someone in who can negotiate with them about their demands, figure out what is realistic, and have a conversation about a plan to move forward with what is best for the people and the city. Even if that does not result in an immediate end, it shows solidarity and a willingness to listen.

You don't negotiate with terrorists.
 
I would personally prefer to see a diplomatic solution. Send someone in who can negotiate with them about their demands, figure out what is realistic, and have a conversation about a plan to move forward with what is best for the people and the city. Even if that does not result in an immediate end, it shows solidarity and a willingness to listen.
No. Those protestors do not have a right to take over any part of any city. That is not okay, not something that should be allowed without legal consequences. That area does not belong to them. It belongs to the city, to everyone, and it is no more okay for them to do that than the ranchers to take over a state park.

And not all the protestors should be free without criminal charges. If you broke the law protesting, especially in a way that harmed others or destroyed property, you should face consequences for those actions.

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Military should not be involved except for National guardsmen. They are the in between.

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No. Those protestors do not have a right to take over any part of any city. That is not okay, not something that should be allowed without legal consequences. That area does not belong to them. It belongs to the city, to everyone, and it is no more okay for them to do that than the ranchers to take over a state park.

And not all the protestors should be free without criminal charges. If you broke the law protesting, especially in a way that harmed others or destroyed property, you should face consequences for those actions.

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I am not saying there should be no punishments. I am advocating for a peaceful solution to be tried first by seeing if the leader(s) can be negotiated with in a reasonable setting.
 
This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police or military action has taken place yet.

So, how do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?

You have to actually tell us what the problem is if you expect us to offer you a solution. What are you referring to when you say B]this[/B]?
 
I am not saying there should be no punishments. I am advocating for a peaceful solution to be tried first by seeing if the leader(s) can be negotiated with in a reasonable setting.
I'm fine waiting a little while, but it should not be long. Those people who live there deserve essentially freedom from protestors, protection of police.

One of their main demands is no charges against protestors. Another is defund the police. What is meant by that really hasn't been agreed upon.

I didn't agree with Occupy movement, I dont agree with this similar type of protesting.

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I'm fine waiting a little while, but it should not be long. Those people who live there deserve essentially freedom from protestors, protection of police.

I didn't agree with Occupy movement, I dont agree with this similar type of protesting.

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It is difficult to really know what is happening there since I am not within the city. I can only base my conclusions on what I have read, which unfortunately is not a lot, or at least not a lot that is helpful to understand what is really happening. Most of the information available has been sensationalized by Fox News and other sources, making it difficult to sort out the facts.

It should be up to the city officials what the best course of action is. They know the community better than we do. It sounds like they are also trying to determine what is happening inside instead of believing everything they hear.

What little I have gathered is most of the people involved are not Antifa, and there seems to be a peaceful setting among most people within. The main issue is whether it is impacting businesses and people who live/work in that area. If so, I agree with you that they need to find an expedient solution, but I still hope they do so without it resulting in too many lives lost. I am already saddened that at least one life was lost in the process of seizing the area.
 
What are their demands exactly? Besides government subsidized housing outside of their mom's basement?

- Free stuff
- legalizing of all illegal immigrants
- End ICE ops in the city
- retrials for all Blacks in prison
- release of all those charged with Mary J-related offenses (and records cleaned of said charges)
- Defund and disband the city's police department and strip them of their pensions

What do the Seattle protesters who have seized their own '''autonomous zone''' want? | Fox News
 
This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police or military action has taken place yet.

So, how do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?


I would say leave them alone and let them protest. Eventually, it will likely fizzle out. Doesn't appear as though they're preventing any other normal business or activity in the area. What exactly is the problem? Are you afraid this experiment might actually work better than you thought?
 
Well...for one, someone on the left could start explaining why the first thing they did was establish a border and posted security guards to only let in the 'right kind of people'.
 
I would say leave them alone and let them protest. Eventually, it will likely fizzle out. Doesn't appear as though they're preventing any other normal business or activity in the area. What exactly is the problem? Are you afraid this experiment might actually work better than you thought?
They do appear to have barriers and armed "guards" to prevent just anyone coming through. There are mixed reports on whether they are preventing residents and business owners from coming in without proof they belong in the area. There are also unsubstantiated claims that they are asking for money from business owners as payment for the protection they will provide those businesses.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation about what is really happening.
 
Military should not be involved except for National guardsmen. They are the in between.

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They're not in-between, they're the resort if a mayor's has lost complete control of their city. None of them have. There is no reason for them to be in our streets for this.

I'm fine waiting a little while, but it should not be long. Those people who live there deserve essentially freedom from protestors, protection of police.

One of their main demands is no charges against protestors. Another is defund the police. What is meant by that really hasn't been agreed upon.

I didn't agree with Occupy movement, I dont agree with this similar type of protesting.

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From what I understand thye want to spend more on community services and less on local police. But the protesters should fire their PR guy, jeez, talk about giving the reactionaries lots of ammo...
 
This question is for everyone (especially the Democrats).

No police or military action has taken place yet.

So, how do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?

The notion of eliminating police entirely is purely nutzo and I guarantee you an overwhelming majority of Democrats agree.
"Defunding" is a "nuclear option" to reboot and retool.
Police unions are injecting themselves into politics in ways that go entirely against the needs of the very clientele that they are chartered to serve. The needs of the people ARE "the product" that these unions are responsible for.
And if a city finds it impossible to make their police union follow the stated needs of the people, then both the union and the city are failing in a democratic sense.

I think it would be possible to de-certify individual union locals through civil suit where probable cause can be shown ie: a record of civil rights violations. I am concerned by voices from the far left that are essentially demanding dissolution of police forces in general, which I'm sure you would agree would only result in chaos. I am also sure most Democrats would agree.

We need to redefine and repurpose the police. Ideally, what would I want? THE IMPOSSIBLE, because I would want Sheriff Andy Taylor.
But this is not Mayberry RFD NC in the 1950's.
But we certainly can draw from some of the better ideas re what Sheriff Andy was. He was a public servant, a guardian, as well as a crimefighter.
And let me make something clear. I don't want or expect cops to act like pansies. The rough stuff is great, when applied in its proper place. Sometimes bad guys have to get beat up.
The question is, under what circumstances.

It isn't necessary to get rid of police unions. We need to force police unions to remember what their product is.
The labor that cops perform is supposed to be aimed at helping preserve and create an atmosphere of peace and community trust. They can't do it all but they play an important role, and if they fail to play that role, it's obvious.
And it means that union has failed or is failing.

I am also against getting rid of police unions entirely. We know what LOW pay does to cops.
I use the analogy of underpaid puddle jumper airline pilots, the ones like Frontier Airlines, who pay their rookie pilots 15 bucks an hour. A cop making starvation (right to work) wages is a recipe for cops that are easier to buy off than a Mexican Federale.
If we deunionize police, we will wind up with police who DEFINITELY don't give two ****s about the community.
And we won't even be able to attract cops with 4-year degrees anyway. We would wind up with the absolute worst of the worst instead.

The problem is what police unions believe they are entitled to inject themselves into. Local politics is NOT something a police union deserves to have a say in because local politics is decided by the democratic process, not some internal union meeting headed up by unelected people who do not serve the public interest, therefore it is not in the public interest to even grant a police union the power to oppose public policy in the first place.

Police unions and public sector unions in general need to stick to things like work conditions, pay and benefits, not deciding what police are supposed to do as policy.
 
So, how do you think that the local Seattle police, Washington State police and national military should handle this moving forward? Do you want a complete stand down until their demands are met? Would you accept any aggressive means to disperse them? How "specifically" do you want to see this handled?
I "specifically" want the police to take a hands-off approach, and only get involved if there is a serious issue within the protest zone (e.g. assaults etc). As we saw with the Occupy movement, these types of zones can exist without any major issues for some time.

The city should deal with demands the same way as with any other protest demand. If it makes sense and there's broad public support, then it makes sense to make the policy change.

Cops or military sweeping in and busting heads will just make things worse for everyone. It won't stop the protesters, it will make them into martyrs, and more intent on protesting and more likely to resort to violence when the police respond with force. Any military intervention against a peaceful protest zone will obviously turn into a total political disaster.
 
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