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Oil reserves released by Biden expected to primarily go to China, India

Trump was advocating using our military to shoot protestors. You know that, right? So my comparison of Republicans to the Taliban is accurate. The Taliban also attack women and LGBTQ folk, just like American republicans - I've seen clips of American megachurch preachers suggest killing gay people. I saw a Republican congressional candidate call women, "just a coat to carry babies to term". I'm not kidding. My friend, I know more than you about past and current events, obviously.

This paragraph is NOT relevant to our discussion about comparing American Republicans to the Taliban. Again, I feel my comparison is justified.
Regarding preachers. There is a pastor in Tennessee that told his congregation that Democrats are demons who are unwelcome in his congregation. See video.
 
A FAIR AND EQUITABLE COUNTRY



Bullocks! You were born with blinders on or was it Mummy-'n-Daddy who taught you that rubbish above?

A truly Free Country is NOT one where the rich-get-even-richer and the poor can go to hell. It is onc where there are no really poor and income distributes itself fairly and equitably. Of course, simpletons will say "that's just Communism!" They would not know communism if it bit them on the arse!

So, what is a "fair and equitable society"? By definition (from here):



When a nation has a True-Equity Economy then this below (from here) does not happen:



Get it? I doubt it!

You (plural) are anchored in an ancient notion (19th century) that "Americans have to work hard and fight to obtain their wealth". The world does not need millionaires. It needs nations of people who live in equitable circumstances - NO, NOT ALL EARNING THE SAME INCOME!

But incomes based upon a taxation-system that does not allow excessive wealth to accumulate and then passes it down to "the kids" who never worked a day to earn it !!!!!!!
Right, my "mummy-'Daddy" taught me personal responsibility and how to take care of my family. How dare them! Born with blinders on? This coming from a foreigner? It is stunning how people like you think and totally ignore how great this country is, out of jealousy, built on individual wealth creation and neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor NOT being a federal bureaucrat. Your definition of freedom is rather scary, where the rich get richer? Wow, feel so sorry for people like you totally clueless about what made this country the greatest on the face of the earth, hint, it wasn't your ideology.

For some reason you believe you are entitled to what someone else earns and totally ignore that MOST of those evil rich people EARNED their wealth. You aren't entitled to it and no where in this country are you prevented from joining them. Excessive wealth? What is excessive wealth and how about the millions of people employed by others who are accumulating that excessive wealth as you call it?

Just continue to whine and complain about what others have out of jealousy
 
"Read my lips; no new taxes". George H W Bush campaign promise. Any idea what happened next? :ROFLMAO:
Yes, and GHW Bush lost the election and what happened next was the largest tax increase in American history by Clinton, the Contract with America and the loss of Congress by Clinton along with a return of those tax cuts
 
A QUICK LESSON IN FAIRNESS



It is "fair" that taxation pays for two key elements of any economy for all of its citizens:
*There is free education up to and including post-secondary levels thus allowing ALL to earn decent incomes (especially in a country where the Services Industries are the major employers)!
*There is free or nearly free Healthcare services such that all have the opportunity for longevity, that is, as long a lifespan as possible.


Get it? I doubt it!

You-plural are blind to the basic elements of a Free Country. You think wrongly that amassing millions/billions is the only criteria for Real Success ... !
LOL free education? where do those schools get their revenue in your country? How much of your income is taxed? You don't seem to have a clue what taxes Americans pay or the purpose of those taxes. Schools are paid for by state and local taxes and the amount depends on where you live. Free education? no such thing as those teachers are paid, schools are built, and supplies purchased.

It is amazing how "free" to you is a buzz word that you don't understand
 
A SELECT FEW

LOL free education? where do those schools get their revenue in your country? How much of your income is taxed? You don't seem to have a clue what taxes Americans pay or the purpose of those taxes. Schools are paid for by state and local taxes and the amount depends on where you live. Free education? no such thing as those teachers are paid, schools are built, and supplies purchased.

They get their revenue from the government because they are "state schools", the state being France.

And I suggest strongly that Uncle Sam do the same by taking over the responsibility for post-secondary education, which nowadays is far, far more important a "national service" than the DoD* ... !

*In fact, many join a military service in order to obtain a post-secondary education. Uncle Sam should be offering low-cost post-secondary education to all students in the US and not just a select few ... !
 
Just continue to whine and complain about what others have out of jealousy

Blah, blah, blah.

The Rabid-Right gets upset when the factual evidence is shoved into their faces.

Toooooooo bad ... !
 
A SELECT FEW



They get their revenue from the government because they are "state schools", the state being France.

And I suggest strongly that Uncle Sam do the same by taking over the responsibility for post-secondary education, which nowadays is far, far more important a "national service" than the DoD* ... !

*In fact, many join a military service in order to obtain a post-secondary education. Uncle Sam should be offering low-cost post-secondary education to all students in the US and not just a select few ... !
And where does the government get its revenue? What is the education system like in your country that generates comments like yours? You really are U.S. Civics challenged as well as economically challenged in your own country. We are a Constitutional Republic with 50 independent sovereign states. There is a specific role for the Federal gov't here and that is to PROVIDE for the common defense. States and local governments have all the responsibility for social and civil responsibilities.

All Students in this country do receive low cost education and there are many scholarship opportunities here including Pell Grants for low income Americans. I can see how poorly educated foreigners are especially on how America operates
 
You really are U.S. Civics challenged as well as economically challenged in your own country.

Not really, I was born a Yank and still vote in the US.

Doesn't please you does it?

Tough on you and others of your ilk. Blind-as-bats to the factual evidence ...
 
Not really, I was born a Yank and still vote in the US.

Doesn't please you does it?

Tough on you and others of your ilk. Blind-as-bats to the factual evidence ...

Do you pay US or French income taxes?
 
Not really, I was born a Yank and still vote in the US.

Doesn't please you does it?

Tough on you and others of your ilk. Blind-as-bats to the factual evidence ...
Factual evidence? Tell us where your government gets its revenue and who pays for all that free stuff you claim you get?

You were born in this country but not educated here, sounds like indoctrination to me. Had a great trip to Cuba couple years ago and had a conversation similar to the one you want to have here. The guide on our tour buss was as poorly informed as you as we found out that 50% of his income went to the gov't which paid for those "free schools and free healthcare programs" he claimed he got. How about your country?
 
Not really, I was born a Yank and still vote in the US.

Doesn't please you does it?

Tough on you and others of your ilk. Blind-as-bats to the factual evidence ...
This defines you and the rest of the radical left to a tee, pay attention and wake up

 
JFK cut taxes from 90%, which I consider confiscatory, way down to 70%. Do you want us to pass the same tax rates that we had in 1962? I didn’t think so. Effective tax rates were also high back then.
Wake up, MTA

 
Indeed, but what it tends not to do very well is think outside of the box when it comes to the conditions of its workers unless there is an external factor driving it. In our history, it took a lot of activism to really bring this to the fore; much of it earned despite the violence used by some companies to quell these efforts. I've always viewed the role of government as the other side of the equation which keeps the private sector from becoming bad actors and only thinking about their needs and not of their employees or their immediate environs.

In a perfect world, the private sector would have a broader scope in terms of responsibility (personnel, environmental, etc.) but as we've seen, that is generally not the case. If it were, many of the regulations to protect water supplies, waste management, etc. wouldn't have required government intervention.
The phenomenon you describe shouldn't surprise. It one believes that the system works better, helps us all, when everyone pursues their own self or selfish interests -- per Gordon Gecko's "greed is good" philosophy in the film "Wall Street," then you will adopt the Ayn Rand, extreme libertarian view of what economic policy should look like. Add to that the corresponding changes in western thought that date back to Luther and Calvin, that faith alone is more important than works, and there you have it.
 
The phenomenon you describe shouldn't surprise. It one believes that the system works better, helps us all, when everyone pursues their own self or selfish interests -- per Gordon Gecko's "greed is good" philosophy in the film "Wall Street," then you will adopt the Ayn Rand, extreme libertarian view of what economic policy should look like. Add to that the corresponding changes in western thought that date back to Luther and Calvin, that faith alone is more important than works, and there you have it.
The system worked great for 250 years or until the last 10 or so when Obama took office and did what Biden is continuing to do now, turn this country into a socialist utopia that exists no where else in the world that previous groups tried to implement here but failed so you and your group of liberals can do a better job. We have 330,000,000 people and not ONE business or private sector running it and that is what you cannot understand. It is a country made up of millions of SMALL businesses with individuals trying to take care of their family but you know better, don't you? you need a massive gov't to do that job totally ignoring where the revenue comes from to fund that massive gov't. Never in my live have I seen such clueless supposedly educated people promoting this BS. Feel so sorry for people like you and my grandkids who have to put up with this BS as you won't destroy this country in the years I have left
 
The system worked great for 250 years or until the last 10 or so when Obama took office and did what Biden is continuing to do now, turn this country into a socialist utopia that exists no where else in the world that previous groups tried to implement here but failed so you and your group of liberals can do a better job. We have 330,000,000 people and not ONE business or private sector running it and that is what you cannot understand. It is a country made up of millions of SMALL businesses with individuals trying to take care of their family but you know better, don't you? you need a massive gov't to do that job totally ignoring where the revenue comes from to fund that massive gov't. Never in my live have I seen such clueless supposedly educated people promoting this BS. Feel so sorry for people like you and my grandkids who have to put up with this BS as you won't destroy this country in the years I have left
Mmmm.... "no where else in the world?".... "since Obama took office?"

Lessee, we have had socialist-like reforms since FDR, even back to or before Teddy R, if you count national parks and forests and trust-busting. Seems to have made things better. Our allies in Europe, NZ, Canada and Australia have even more socialism than we do. Even Trump wanted to make a better, bigger ACA, for example... And the GOP was on board with "repeal and REPLACE" Obamacare. We are all socialists now, just on different subjects. Our taking the best from Adam Smith and Norman Thomas has been a great success.

It appears you are in the same boat as that person who said "take your government hands off my Medicare."
 
Mmmm.... "no where else in the world?".... "since Obama took office?"

Lessee, we have had socialist-like reforms since FDR, even back to or before Teddy R, if you count national parks and forests and trust-busting. Seems to have made things better. Our allies in Europe, NZ, Canada and Australia have even more socialism than we do. Even Trump wanted to make a better, bigger ACA, for example... And the GOP was on board with "repeal and REPLACE" Obamacare. We are all socialists now, just on different subjects. Our taking the best from Adam Smith and Norman Thomas has been a great success.

It appears you are in the same boat as that person who said "take your government hands off my Medicare."
You really don't get it, do you? I was raised different, learned personal responsibility and the value of family helping family and that family isn't the federal gov't. you keep buying that liberal bullshit, totally ignoring that Medicare and SS are self funded giving the Gov't an interest free use of your money your entire working career and then getting maybe some or maybe all of it back if you don't die early. It is stunning how you buy the socialist ideology as if there aren't any consequences.

Are there any consequences in anything the liberals propose?

Where does the money come from? Where is the incentive?

How does dependence on gov't make things better for you and your family?

Ever hear the old adage that anything big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away? Want us to be Venezuela?

When you make a bad decision some can neve be taken back, what happens if you are wrong?
 
Mmmm.... "no where else in the world?".... "since Obama took office?"

Lessee, we have had socialist-like reforms since FDR, even back to or before Teddy R, if you count national parks and forests and trust-busting. Seems to have made things better. Our allies in Europe, NZ, Canada and Australia have even more socialism than we do. Even Trump wanted to make a better, bigger ACA, for example... And the GOP was on board with "repeal and REPLACE" Obamacare. We are all socialists now, just on different subjects. Our taking the best from Adam Smith and Norman Thomas has been a great success.

It appears you are in the same boat as that person who said "take your government hands off my Medicare."
Yep, and when those were debated you had much of the same "IT'S THE DEATH OF AMERICAAAAA!!!" nonsense you hear repeated now. Change is never easy though, and you have to assume there will always be those who resist it regardless of its merits.
 
You really don't get it, do you? I was raised different, learned personal responsibility and the value of family helping family and that family isn't the federal gov't. you keep buying that liberal bullshit, totally ignoring that Medicare and SS are self funded giving the Gov't an interest free use of your money your entire working career and then getting maybe some or maybe all of it back if you don't die early. It is stunning how you buy the socialist ideology as if there aren't any consequences.

Are there any consequences in anything the liberals propose?

Where does the money come from? Where is the incentive?

How does dependence on gov't make things better for you and your family?

Ever hear the old adage that anything big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away? Want us to be Venezuela?

When you make a bad decision some can neve be taken back, what happens if you are wrong?
You are swimming against the tide. The tide is the way the developed world works and the way those in poorer countries would like their governments to work.

I too believe in personal responsibility. I have an incurable illness, so I use personal responsibility to eat responsibly, as the docs suggest. But I am also pronounced uninsurable, so I responsibly took advantage of a govt program for the uninsurable pre-Medicare. Thank you. And though I made a good living, made personally responsible investments in property, I never made enough money to have paid my medical bills through the years. Nevertheless, as you claim to, I also depend on family-helping-family when relatives drive me to the hospital when I get an attack. There docs, whose education was subsidized by a responsible government, treat me in a subsidized hospital. But I do admit to leeching off the wonderful government program you disparage. I don’t give a shit if the government gets my money interest-free for Medicare and SS, as they have used it and that of others to pay me more in benefits than I have paid in. That’s what these and private insurance programs do. I give my auto insurance company interest free use of my money to protect me as well. And yes, dependence on the government has made things better for me and my family, as it no does for you if you drive on a freeway, (unless you pave your own) take drugs tested by the FDA (unless you test your own) have your home you may buy subsidized by mortgage interest deductions, get levees built if you live near the Mississippi, have dams built to get you water if you farm in the arid Southwest, etc. This is the way the world works. Ayn Rand is dead and unmourned except by 13-year old boys and maybe Paul Ryan.
 
Yes, and GHW Bush lost the election and what happened next was the largest tax increase in American history by Clinton, the Contract with America and the loss of Congress by Clinton along with a return of those tax cuts
GHWB increased taxes, so he lied. Interesting that you avoided mentioning that and went straight to 'but Clinton' :ROFLMAO:
 
The system worked great for 250 years or until the last 10 or so when Obama took office and did what Biden is continuing to do now, turn this country into a socialist utopia that exists no where else in the world that previous groups tried to implement here but failed so you and your group of liberals can do a better job. We have 330,000,000 people and not ONE business or private sector running it and that is what you cannot understand. It is a country made up of millions of SMALL businesses with individuals trying to take care of their family but you know better, don't you? you need a massive gov't to do that job totally ignoring where the revenue comes from to fund that massive gov't. Never in my live have I seen such clueless supposedly educated people promoting this BS. Feel so sorry for people like you and my grandkids who have to put up with this BS as you won't destroy this country in the years I have left
Whine, whine, whine. My "socialist utopia" (under ten years of continuous Conservative government in England, by the way), ensures that I have free medical treatment from cradle to grave, from a measly monthly contribution as a component of National Insurance. So, no hospital bills, ever, no matter how serious the operation, no small print to decypher, no form-filling or questions about insurance cover, no venal insurers to negotiate with, no co-pay. Free operations, post-op care, prescriptions, ambulance rides, doctor visits, scans, blood tests, physiotherapy, eyeglasses etc., etc. Oh yes, nearly forgot; expectant mothers can get up to 52 weeks' paid maternity leave, and also included within National Insurance is unemployment benefit along with a host of other goodies. Everyone contributes, the cost is thus,, spread equally, everyone benefits.
I'm sure you'll agree it's a socialist nightmare. I go to my doctor or hospital, get fixed, go home, bank balance intact. The horror! How's the US healthcare system doing?
 
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You are swimming against the tide. The tide is the way the developed world works and the way those in poorer countries would like their governments to work.
Your problem is lumping this country into the rest of the world, we AREN'T a poor country, keep buying the liberal bullshit and ignoring the reality that poverty in this country is defined by a number that ignores the cost of living in those states you want to convert to socialism
I too believe in personal responsibility. I have an incurable illness, so I use personal responsibility to eat responsibly, as the docs suggest. But I am also pronounced uninsurable, so I responsibly took advantage of a govt program for the uninsurable pre-Medicare. Thank you. And though I made a good living, made personally responsible investments in property, I never made enough money to have paid my medical bills through the years. Nevertheless, as you claim to, I also depend on family-helping-family when relatives drive me to the hospital when I get an attack. There docs, whose education was subsidized by a responsible government, treat me in a subsidized hospital. But I do admit to leeching off the wonderful government program you disparage. I don’t give a shit if the government gets my money interest-free for Medicare and SS, as they have used it and that of others to pay me more in benefits than I have paid in. That’s what these and private insurance programs do. I give my auto insurance company interest free use of my money to protect me as well. And yes, dependence on the government has made things better for me and my family, as it no does for you if you drive on a freeway, (unless you pave your own) take drugs tested by the FDA (unless you test your own) have your home you may buy subsidized by mortgage interest deductions, get levees built if you live near the Mississippi, have dams built to get you water if you farm in the arid Southwest, etc. This is the way the world works. Ayn Rand is dead and unmourned except by 13-year old boys and maybe Paul Ryan.
So sorry about your illness, I lost my wife of 40 years to cancer 10 years ago and she had the best insurance and treatments available. The gov't isn't the answer and that doesn't seem to be something you understand. Your lack of understanding of our Constitution, the taxes you pay, and the role of the state and local governments is astounding. Putting control into the hands of the federal gov't violates every thing this country was Founded on and still no answer to the question, why do you support a gov't big enough to provide you with everything you want that is also big enough to take it all away?

Why isn't an almost 6 trillion dollar federal gov't not big enough for you?
 
GHWB increased taxes, so he lied. Interesting that you avoided mentioning that and went straight to 'but Clinton' :ROFLMAO:
What does that have to do with the thread topic as I already made my statement about GHW Bush lying and costing him the election. Clinton raised taxes and lost the Congress in 1993, why don't you mention that? Why don't you mention the Clinton tax cuts in 1997? Or the Contract with America that Clinton signed? or how about NAFTA? Your biased partisan support of liberalism ignores the results of liberalism as you continue to do what liberals always do, buy rhetoric and ignore results
 
Whine, whine, whine. My "socialist utopia" (under ten years of continuous Conservative government in England, by the way), ensures that I have free medical treatment from cradle to grave, from a measly monthly contribution as a component of National Insurance. So, no hospital bills, ever, no matter how serious the operation, no small print to decypher, no form-filling or questions about insurance cover, no venal insurers to negotiate with, no co-pay. Free operations, post-op care, prescriptions, ambulance rides, doctor visits, scans, blood tests, physiotherapy, eyeglasses etc., etc. Oh yes, nearly forgot; expectant mothers can get up to 52 weeks' paid maternity leave, and also included within National Insurance is unemployment benefit along with a host of other goodies. Everyone contributes, the cost is thus,, spread equally, everyone benefits.
I'm sure you'll agree it's a socialist nightmare. I go to my doctor or hospital, get fixed, go home, bank balance intact. The horror! How's the US healthcare system doing?
Free medical treatment? where does the money come from to pay those doctors and provide that "free" medical treatment? It is amazing how people buy rhetoric and never buy the results? You don't live in this country yet everything that goes on this country according to you is wrong. You don't have any credibility as you don't understand the role of the federal gov't in this country or the role of state and local governments in this country, why is that? Any idea what taxes you even pay in your country and what they pay for?
 
THE TRUTH CAN HURT

Factual evidence? Tell us where your government gets its revenue and who pays for all that free stuff you claim you get?

Stoopid question. I paid for my degrees in the US, and they cost me a small fortune.

All my kids went to universities in France and the schooling-cost was minimal (about 1400€ a year).

You were born in this country but not educated here, sounds like indoctrination to me. Had a great trip to Cuba couple years ago and had a conversation similar to the one you want to have here. The guide on our tour buss was as poorly informed as you as we found out that 50% of his income went to the gov't which paid for those "free schools and free healthcare programs" he claimed he got. How about your country?

My degrees are all from an American university.

A Yank in France is telling you how the world-works? Oh, how that must hurt! (What hole do you live in that blinds you to the factual evidence?)

No matter, on this forum you are not alone ...
 
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