If it adds stress than the mindless idiots that are stressed certainly do not belong in the military.
Those that believe that it will add stress and want to support that fact and would defend bigots that are stressed by gays make the same statement about themselves.
I don't get stressed by straight people. Why would a straight person that isn't a bigot get stressed by gays?
The bold would seem to say that you support bigoted behavior
and you would rather defend bigots right to stay in the military than gays. You really need to decide what side of the fence you stand on.
The military is always stressed. Always.
This will have basically zero impact however on those manifestations of stress you list. The idea that 1 in 20 soldiers around them might be gay is not going to cause PTSD, nor suicides
Why, indeed.
bigotry is actually the least of my worries with regards to this issue. You will get some, but it won't be the driver of the increased stress on combat units that comes from the introduction of sexual tension.
this is incorrect. those who point out that it will increase stress aren't bigots - they are realistically appraising the results of introducing sexual and social tension into a group that needs to be tightly and intimately knit in order to function well.
as a single example....
post naked pictures of yourself on the internet. right here, right now. in your response to this post.
what? you don't want to do that?
why don't you want to expose yourself in front of a mixed audience? are you a bigot?
many, many, many, many more than are ever prosecuted for it.
the claim that repealing DADT will reduce administrative backlogs strikes me as..... well, frankly, ridiculous.
only if one is an idiot and/or lacks reading comprehension.
that's easy. I stand with the grunts - who have to go out and do a difficult and dangerous job and don't need politicians grandstanding on their ability to make it tougher.
That again is an asinine statement.as soon as you begin advocating forcing female servicemembers to strip down in front of the males, let me know.
as soon as you begin advocating forcing female servicemembers to strip down in front of the males, let me know.
You you supported bigoted attitudes it is reflective of your own attitude. I ask again why does serving with a gay add stress for a heterosexual?
Your little tidbit about posting naked pictures on line make zero sense.
Which means that you are for allowing our troops to continue to discriminate against people just because they might be more "stressed out" by paperwork if they can't do so?
On top of that, there is going to be a much bigger stigma to begin with within the combat units to not sexually harass a guy that a gay guy might work with since it is likely that the troops will take care of such actions themselves. I can't imagine any grunt that would not react aggressively to being hit on by someone in their own unit.
That again is an asinine statement.
Are you so afraid of gays that you think they are going to want you if you drop your drawers. That is just a childish attitude.
Your first statement here is dead wrong. If you support a bigoted attitude which you do you yourself are a bigot. If you defend someones right to be bigoted you are a bigot
You want to pretend to be open minded about gays but yet you defend a bigoted attitude. Like I said you need to pick a side and stand on it.
discrimination here factors not one way or the other in my assessment. the mission of the Rifle Squad is to locate, close with, and destroy the enemy through fire and maneuver and repel his assault through fire and close combat. that is the standard that I measure by - does this help, or hurt, the ability of the rifle squad to perform it's mission. my claim on paperwork is merely to point out that your claim that repealing DADT would reduce it is exceedingly unlikely to be correct.
alright, now. think about what that means for discipline and unit cohesion.
I didn't say that it "reduce it". I said it might be balanced out. Most likely it will be a slight, unnoticeable difference, unless people start acting stupid and falsely reporting incidents just to get people in trouble.
Nothing more than it would now or before the repeal was even voted for.
That could happen now. And the repeal of DADT will make it no more likely for cases of sexual harassment or assault than has always existed, especially by gays.
You seem to be of the belief that just because gay men can serve openly, that they will start hitting on the straight guys in their unit
This is not likely to happen, because there are still some social stigmas in place to keep most of the gay men, especially within combat units virtually "in the closet" just for safety and/or comfort reasons.
post naked pictures of yourself on the internet. right here, right now. in your response to this post.
what? you don't want to do that?
why don't you want to expose yourself in front of a mixed audience? are you a bigot?
Will, it appears your cheese done slid clear off your cracker. You really think a military shower is comparable to posting one's .... seriously, I can't even dignify that thought with a re-type.
why betty? why wouldn't you expose yourself in front of a mixed audience? would it be better if that audience instead was 18-22 year old males?
what? i quoted your post in full.
but the question stands. if you yourself would feel awkward exposing yourself to a mixed audience, why do people demand that the only reason people in the military could feel the same way is because they must be bigoted?
That's not what they actually think is the lord's truth.
That's just the sort of thing they say to polarize the issue.
or we have to deal with the paperwork side that comes with all of the sexual and discipline issues that we already see in the mixed-gender units.
you just said that the response would be aggressive. are you honestly going to tell me that that kind of a history won't negatively impact a units' later performance?
given that the only change that could be introduced now would be in a positive direction, i find this exceedingly unlikely.
not at all (although the law of numbers says that will happen - certainly our straight males hit on females that aren't interested all the time). i am of the belief that if a gay man is serving openly, that means the other male members of the unit will know he is gay, and that will reduce intimacy and cohesion.
well it will be better for the units if they do so. but if you are willing to admit this, then why not have come clean with that at the beginning?
Will, it appears your cheese done slid clear off your cracker. You really think a military shower is comparable to posting one's .... seriously, I can't even dignify that thought with a re-type.
Well, since you edited out my quote, I don't feel the need to answer you.
Well, since you edited out my quote, I don't feel the need to answer you.
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