Navy Pride
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So what does it make them? It sure doesn't show that they are enlightened.
The problem is gay men living together is the same as men and women living together because gay men are sexually attracted to one another as the norm men and women being attracted to each other............
The problem is gay men living together is the same as men and women living together because gay men are sexually attracted to one another as the norm men and women being attracted to each other............
The problem is gay men living together is the same as men and women living together because gay men are sexually attracted to one another as the norm men and women being attracted to each other............
no, i'm not. I don't doubt you will get instances of that occuring, and I don't doubt that you will get instances of that being suspected (Cpl Jones always picks me to check for ticks.... why? etc.) which will create it's own problems - but my argument here assumes nothing more than the fact that they will be homosexual males, that homosexual males are attracted to other males, and that other males are aware of this. that is all that is necessary to start throwing up boundaries and barriers to personal interaction where none existed previously. we can all teabag each other throughout the field ex's because it's funny.... but no one is going to rub their penis in the gay guys' face or really find it particularly hilarious when he does it to them - he's different because of his sexuality, he can't be fully part of the joke part of the group, part of the intimacy that occurs in male-bonding. and because sexuality is generally unchanging, that is always going to be there. we won't see a shift as we did with racial tension because whlie attitudes towards racial differences (and agreed, towards sexual differences) are subject to change, basic sexual drive is not. he's not going to cease being gay anymore than you are going to cease being a woman - and because of that the nature and level of interaction between him and others will always have barriers and limitations that currently do not exist. because he will not cease being gay any more than I will cease being straight or you will cease being a woman that tension will always be there, seperating members of the unit from one another and hurting that cohesion and unity that is so vital.
to me it's about not making it harder for the guys on the pointy end to do their job and make it back home in one piece. i couldn't give a **** less if people are offended or have their feelings hurt, or suffer loss of self-worth, or not, so long as that end is achieved.
The problem is gay men living together is the same as men and women living together because gay men are sexually attracted to one another as the norm men and women being attracted to each other............
Oh yeah buddy! Gay men find Every Single Straight Man on the planet irresistible!
Oh yeah sister...straight men find every single woman on the planet irresistable!
Yep...your sarcasm is noted and returned. So...since its no big deal for one, why should it matter if men and women are routinely quartered together?
Navy...strait couples can live together, so why can't gay couples?
OMG! Honestly, why do you guys keep bringing this up? It is different.
We have explained this earlier in this thread. Men are not women and women are not men.
They have different body parts and different body functions, including women get a period once a month that I'm pretty sure most men would not be comfortable living with. The women would be very likely to kill the men, at least some of them, if they had to live together all the time and interact that much with men that they weren't even involved with.
So I guess my answer is that we don't have men and women living together for the protection of the men.
And the repeal of DADT has nothing to do with this. Gay men were living together prior.
Oh yeah buddy! Gay men find Every Single Straight Man on the planet irresistible!
Oh yeah sister...straight men find every single woman on the planet irresistable!
Yep...your sarcasm is noted and returned. So...since its no big deal for one, why should it matter if men and women are routinely quartered together?
If straight couples can live together why don't we have coed showers and berthing compartments aboard ship? Why are they separate?
Beats me. You saying it does?
THe undenialable fact is like men and women are attracted to one another gay men are attracted to other men............
And the undeniale fact is Navy.....men and women of the military are no different than men and women in general. Most humans are able to control their sexual urges. Why do you believe that the military men/women are incapable of that? Please, give them more credit than you do.
What about gays who can't maintain discipline? You're right, we expect the best. We have standards. Not flaunting one's sexuality is a part of that standard.
Homosexuals who can't maintain discipline should receive exactly the same treatment as anyone else who can't maintain discipline. I'm surprised you'd even ask this question of me. Clearly you have some strange ideas about what homosexuals and their supporters actually want. (hint: equal treatment is equal treatment)
My husband and I have both had our training.
Mine included only one question about berthing arrangements and comfort level (that was handled pretty well by our officer who was giving the training). And, there is some talk that the plan right now is to eventually incorporate some sort of benefits arrangement for same sex partners (after a few years, and from what our officer told me from the info he has gotten) should getting SSM legalized take a lot longer than expected.
My husbands' training included a message from his leading officer that was basically "no change". Although that really isn't true, since an issue that came up in the past year involving a fight between girlfriends shows that there are at least some things that will be treated differently once DADT is officially repealed, including domestic fights (now, at least some military police recommend that no matter the circumstances of a fight between a same sex couple and which was to blame, they should not claim themselves as a couple since they could technically still be discharged for doing so, until the repeal is final, at which time domestic disturbance/violence laws/rules would apply to them as it does opposite sex couples in similar relationships).
And if told no what would you do? Back off right? The difference between you and a female vs that of a gay guy trying to get some from a straight guy is that the gay guy will already know that the answer from the straight guy is no.
If you knew that the woman would say no right from the start, before you even tried, would you still try to get some from her?
Nonesense bro.. What if she wa sa lesbian? I'd still try, and in fact, I would make it my mission to convert her. Same applies to gay guys I imagine.
Tim-
you say what homosexuals and there supporters actually want. it is i n the schools there actually want there own student union.
gays, as you say flaunting one's sexuality, i n the school. so how is it they will not do this in militaire?
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