if it is pressed after being asked not to, its harassment and the command can handle it.
It's a compliment, and should be treated as such.
You obviously have no clue what bigotry means. Your support of bigoted policy proves you are. My dislike for any military as an organization is not singling out any individuals nor have any of my posts said that I have a particular disdain for those in military. Disliking an organization is far different than the directed bigotry that you are in favor of. So you may want to rethink that.Maybe you wouldn't feel compelled to call people--who don't think exactly like you--bigots, if it weren't for your own bigotted mindset.
Just as I thought you have no links so your information is false. Thank you.I got a better idea. Show us units from armies with open gay policies that have been trully tested in combat and performed superbly. You don't have any. I already know that. Because units with open gay policies haven't been in any real battled.
How 'bout those British sailors that were captured--correction--up-n-surrendered to the Iranians a few year ago? They did a fine job. Eh?
I don't think there is much chance that gays are going to run around hitting on straight people. I really don't think there will be much staring in the showers either. That idea is paranoid to the full. It's almost delusional in it's dimensions.Being looked at and considered handsome/pretty by someone of the same gender while in the shower....thats really about it.
Edit: Oh and getting hit on by someone of the same gender. Of course I've never known a gay to hit on someone that they know is heterosexual so....
I don't think there is much chance that gays are going to run around hitting on straight people. I really don't think there will be much staring in the showers either. That idea is paranoid to the full. It's almost delusional in it's dimensions.
Even if they did, the standard response that everybody should know is "I'm flattered, but I can't." They probably won't press you, but if they do, just say either "I'm taken" or "I'm straight."
It's a compliment, and should be treated as such.
this isn't like your workplace. the person who just hit on you is someone who will be in charge of stripping you down nekked and checking you for ticks and whom you will be sleeping with tonight. there isn't any personal space.
i stick with my original point which is my only point here - which is that that reality means that the introduction of the natural barriers that come along with sexuality will reduce ease of intimacy and unit cohesion.
Sleeping together in a foxhole or in seperate beds.
They certainly won't be sleeping together having sex. Besides which if I'm in a foxhole I certainly wouldn't be caring about some dude checking me out. I'd be more worried about snipers or missiles or bullets.
this isn't like your workplace. after this conversation is over, this person isn't going to say "oh, well, okay then" and go back to their cubicle. you are going to strip down naked for them so that they can check you for ticks. you will be sleeping with them tonight. there isn't any personal space.
i stick with my original point which is my only point here - which is that that reality means that the introduction of the natural barriers that come along with sexuality will reduce ease of intimacy and unit cohesion. those of you who want to say that recognizing that reality (that sexuality exists) makes one a bigot? go ahead. you are no better than that which you are accusing others of. enjoy your pretensions of superiority fed by a smug sense of the ability to depend upon emotion rather than reason.
That's the funny part. If a heterosexual man gets complimented or asked out by a woman it is considered a compliment. But if a homosexual guy said the same thing to a heterosexual guy it is "repulsive, gross, icky" etc etc. Its one big contradiction.
in a foxhole, in a ditch, in the same sleeping bag - it all depends on the weather. I used to have a boot (boot is a term used for "new guy" who hasn't deployed yet) called PK who was my designated blanket when it was cold and windy. nice, big, hairy, smelly, heavy blanket that I just pulled over me and went to sleep, two, or more, or all of us in a puppy pile. I probably cuddled another guy named Jimmy more than my wife during our first year of marriage - it was a winter training cycle, and damn how it rained All. The. Time.
guessing - you haven't spent alot of time in foxholes? even in a warzone, your time is 99.9% utter boredom; not rockets bursting o'er-head.
really? is it just as "icky" as if the hetero guy was complimented or asked out by his cousin or sister?
Still, sleeping next to each other to keep warm is not the same as sleeping together in a bed.
You're right, I haven't. Never been in the military. Still, even if bored there is no reason to think that a gay guy would hit on anyone in his unit when that gay guy knows that they are all straight. It's not like gay guys can't control themselves any less than straight folks.
Still, sleeping next to each other to keep warm is not the same as sleeping together in a bed.
You're right, I haven't. Never been in the military. Still, even if bored there is no reason to think that a gay guy would hit on anyone in his unit when that gay guy knows that they are all straight. It's not like gay guys can't control themselves any less than straight folks.
Kal, come on. If I was in a foxhole with a female, ugly or not, there is a limit on just how long it will take for me to probe the chances of getting some head..Don't see why it would be different with a gay dude and a straight guy?
Tim-
Clearly all liberals think all soldiers are murderers of all babies!
point worth noting - 5 months into a deployment, there is no such thing as an ugly female.
5???? get real. more like 2 or 3
But you are assuming that enough of the gay guys will harass the straight guys that this will be a problem.
To me this is about personal responsibility and holding people accountable for their actions, instead of labeling a whole group of people (gays) as troublemakers based on their sexuality rather than their individual actions and worth.
5???? get real. more like 2 or 3
Kal, come on. If I was in a foxhole with a female, ugly or not, there is a limit on just how long it will take for me to probe the chances of getting some head..Don't see why it would be different with a gay dude and a straight guy?
Tim-
no. in a bed you don't usually have full-body contact.
so you are in favor of forcing young female members of the military to strip down and cuddle up with the males?
no, i'm not. I don't doubt you will get instances of that occuring, and I don't doubt that you will get instances of that being suspected (Cpl Jones always picks me to check for ticks.... why? etc.) which will create it's own problems - but my argument here assumes nothing more than the fact that they will be homosexual males, that homosexual males are attracted to other males, and that other males are aware of this. that is all that is necessary to start throwing up boundaries and barriers to personal interaction where none existed previously. we can all teabag each other throughout the field ex's because it's funny.... but no one is going to rub their penis in the gay guys' face or really find it particularly hilarious when he does it to them - he's different because of his sexuality, he can't be fully part of the joke part of the group, part of the intimacy that occurs in male-bonding. and because sexuality is generally unchanging, that is always going to be there. we won't see a shift as we did with racial tension because whlie attitudes towards racial differences (and agreed, towards sexual differences) are subject to change, basic sexual drive is not. he's not going to cease being gay anymore than you are going to cease being a woman - and because of that the nature and level of interaction between him and others will always have barriers and limitations that currently do not exist. because he will not cease being gay any more than I will cease being straight or you will cease being a woman that tension will always be there, seperating members of the unit from one another and hurting that cohesion and unity that is so vital.
to me it's about not making it harder for the guys on the pointy end to do their job and make it back home in one piece. i couldn't give a **** less if people are offended or have their feelings hurt, or suffer loss of self-worth, or not, so long as that end is achieved.
so you are in favor of forcing young female members of the military to strip down and cuddle up with the males?
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