Official: White House didn’t want to tell seniors not to fly

[CaughtInThe]

Why would Trump care? It doesn't affect his money.

 

[Cardinal]

Stop trying to help create panic. The flu, the good old fashioned flu is much more of a health threat than coronavirus is at this point and nobodies shutting down anything for the flu.
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.
Once the Coronavirus gets anywhere close to this we should worry, or maybe not because as I said we don't seem to worry about the flu.

The global mortality rate average is 34 times that of the flu. I'm sure you've got a calculator handy. Do the math.

 

[JANFU]

I am curious what started the run on toilet paper. That's happening at my local supermarkets and I don't get it.

People are stocking up- all paper products, tp, paper towel come in runs from manufactures due to orders and usage. Once people begin to load up with specific item tp, sanitizer, Lysol type wipes, does not take much to make a shortage, which reinforces others belief in the shortage is real, self perpetuating shortage begins and will not end in the near future

People can make their own household disinfectants with readily available materials, using bleach, vinegar and such, but no one makes their own tp

 

[SCrider]

So no one released a statement asking seniors not to fly. Ok then.

I thought all info had to come through Pence, which means trump.

 

[Metric Mouse]

I thought all info had to come through Pence, which means trump.

I don't know? Are there any worldwide health organizations not under the control of Trump that could issue such statements? I am just confused if seniors should fly or not; it seems no one anywhere has offically said they shouldn't.

 

[JANFU]

The global mortality rate average is 34 times that of the flu. I'm sure you've got a calculator handy. Do the math.

As it hits India, Bangladesh, SE Asia, Africa with no to poor health care, the numbers will increase

In the US and I am going with what little I know about HC plans, but the lower end plans have high deductibles, lessons ones ability, due to costs, for medical checks.

Add in the substantial number of workers with no sick days, to no paid vacation, well the rates will only increase in the US as well. Lower than other countries, but I would say death rates will be higher than those with UHC such as Canada -EU

 

[Anthony60]

Vague. Anonymous source. BS.

Yes, but what would the leftist press do without being able to tag a story with an anonymous source? They wouldn't be able to pump out all those attacks on Trump if that had to actually tell you where it came from. This way, they can just make up any details they need. Nah, I bet that doesn't happen much.

 

[Bullseye]

Trump is putting people at greater risk because he wants to downplay the coronavirus.



Official: White House didn'''t want to tell seniors not to fly

Gotta love the "official familiar with the situation . . ." source. Always 100% and factual. :roll:

 

[Cardinal]

Gotta love the "official familiar with the situation . . ." source. Always 100% and factual. :roll:

All you're doing is emphasizing that what the White House did was bad. By futilely denying the story, you're acknowledging that trump put people at greater risk because he wants to downplay the coronavirus.

 

[Metric Mouse]

As it hits India, Bangladesh, SE Asia, Africa with no to poor health care, the numbers will increase

In the US and I am going with what little I know about HC plans, but the lower end plans have high deductibles, lessons ones ability, due to costs, for medical checks.

Add in the substantial number of workers with no sick days, to no paid vacation, well the rates will only increase in the US as well. Lower than other countries, but I would say death rates will be higher than those with UHC such as Canada -EU

I mean... we're still lower than Italy. They've got 1/7 the population and have had more than15 times the deaths...

 

[JANFU]

Yes, but what would the leftist press do without being able to tag a story with an anonymous source? They wouldn't be able to pump out all those attacks on Trump if that had to actually tell you where it came from. This way, they can just make up any details they need. Nah, I bet that doesn't happen much.

Of course the NYT is a leftist press org


Coronavirus Live Updates: Cases in U.S. Cross 500, and Deaths Rise to 22 - The New York Times

On Sunday, the leading U.S. expert on infectious diseases, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, said that it was possible that regional lockdowns could become necessary and recommended that those at greatest risk — the elderly and those with underlying health conditions — abstain from travel.

Dr. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the Trump administration was prepared to “take whatever action is appropriate” to contain the outbreak, including travel restrictions in areas with a high number of cases.

“I don’t think it would be as draconian as ‘nobody in and nobody out,’” Dr. Fauci said on “Fox News Sunday.” “But there’ll be, if we continue to get cases like this, particularly at the community level, there will be what we call mitigation.”

 

[Bullseye]

All you're doing is emphasizing that what the White House did was bad. By futilely denying the story, you're acknowledging that trump put people at greater risk because he wants to downplay the coronavirus.

Wrong. I'm pointing out that sometimes an intelligent individual will go beyond "a source familiar with . . ." when looking for factual information. Just out of curiosity how many patients so far have caught the virus on a plane?

 

[JANFU]

I mean... we're still lower than Italy. They've got 1/7 the population and have had more than15 times the deaths...

Read an article that before this crap began approx 23000 Chinese travels daily to the US

Only going to get worse, much worse IMHO

 

[Cardinal]

Wrong. I'm pointing out that sometimes an intelligent individual will go beyond "a source familiar with . . ." when looking for factual information. Just out of curiosity how many patients so far have caught the virus on a plane?

That's the point you're making in your own mind. In reality, you've been put on the defensive, and you're acknowledging that the story is bad for trump. So when you finally break down and acknowledge that it's true (as always happens), you'll inevitably try to claim that it was okay for trump to override the CDC's recommendations. But it'll be too late because you'll have already spent so much energy denying the story in the first place because you know it's so bad.

 

[Bullseye]

That's the point you're making in your own mind. In reality, you've been put on the defensive, and you're acknowledging that the story is bad for trump. So when you finally break down and acknowledge that it's true (as always happens), you'll inevitably try to claim that it was okay for trump to override the CDC's recommendations. But it'll be too late because you'll have already spent so much energy denying the story in the first place because you know it's so bad.

This is the story you're seen in YOUR OWN MIND.

All you have is some comments from unidentified individuals with no context or background or the rest of the conversation. All you see is "Trump!:twisted:" and off you go.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Read an article that before this crap began approx 23000 Chinese travels daily to the US

Only going to get worse, much worse IMHO

I could see travel restrictions blocking any movement in or out of Washington state and maybe even California. That would be wild.

 

[Cardinal]

This is the story you're seen in YOUR OWN MIND.

All you have is some comments from unidentified individuals with no context or background or the rest of the conversation. All you see is "Trump!:twisted:" and off you go.

What you've failed to grasp is that by rejecting the story you've owned its premise, which is that it's bad that Trump overrode the CDC's recommendations. Now, after it's no longer possible for you to reject the story, you'll own the premise.

Sloppy thinking, my friend.

 

[What if...?]

Stop trying to help create panic. The flu, the good old fashioned flu is much more of a health threat than coronavirus is at this point and nobodies shutting down anything for the flu.
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.
Once the Coronavirus gets anywhere close to this we should worry, or maybe not because as I said we don't seem to worry about the flu.

And those influenza rates include vaccines and anti viral treatments already in place.

Not to mention that influenza confers seasonal immunity.

C-19 reinfects, which means it mutates rapidly.

Oh, and people with the flu aren't asymptomatic while contagious for two weeks.

But keep going with "there's nothing to see here". In fact I think you should go to as many trump rallies as possible to prove how much of a hoax it all is.

What do you have to worry about?

 

[What if...?]

I don't know? Are there any worldwide health organizations not under the control of Trump that could issue such statements? I am just confused if seniors should fly or not; it seems no one anywhere has offically said they shouldn't.

Seems like a no-brainer.

C19 is only killing old people and those with immune deficiencies.

Maybe the most likely to die shouldn't increase their chances of catching it.

But hey, maybe it'll make Social Security solvent for a few more years if enough boomers die off.

 

[Bullseye]

What you've failed to grasp is that by rejecting the story you've owned its premise, which is that it's bad that Trump overrode the CDC's recommendations. Now, after it's no longer possible for you to reject the story, you'll own the premise.

Sloppy thinking, my friend.

You just make this **** up as you go along? Your logic is ridiculous.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Seems like a no-brainer.

C19 is only killing old people and those with immune deficiencies.

Maybe the most likely to die shouldn't increase their chances of catching it.

But hey, maybe it'll make Social Security solvent for a few more years if enough boomers die off.

I mean, if it's so obvious, why are there no official recommendations against it? Is flying that much more dangerous than going to the grocery store or taking the subway?

 

[Metric Mouse]

You just make this **** up as you go along? Your logic is ridiculous.

He would have a point, if there was any evidence that Trump over rode anybody. But everyone with actual knowledge of the situation seems to dispute that. Heck, there isn't even any evidence that seniors shouldn't be flying specifically, much less that the CDC is suppressing this vital safety tip.

 

[Cardinal]

You just make this **** up as you go along? Your logic is ridiculous.

After you're no longer able to reject the story, which is always the case, you'll be forced to deal with the fact that you rejected it in the first place. That fact illustrates that you knew the story was bad for you.

If a crime had been committed, that would be considered mens rea.

 

[jpn]

Trump is putting people at greater risk because he wants to downplay the coronavirus.

NEW YORK (AP) — The White House overruled health officials who wanted to recommend that elderly and physically fragile Americans be advised not to fly on commercial airlines because of the new coronavirus, a federal official told The Associated Press.

Any sentence that begins "the White House overruled..." ought to scare the hell out of us.

What if the competence of a country's bureaucracy — aka its deep state — has been undermined by leadership that demands obsequious loyalty, disdains expertise, and punishes anyone who tells it what it doesn't want to hear?

Overheard at CPAC (the Conservative Political Action Conference) last week: “I don’t believe anything the CDC says about this virus. It’s full of deep staters who want to use this to create a recession to bring down the President.”

 

[jpn]

And on all counts the White House has been failing. There should have been a public face of the anti-coronavirus effort long before Mike Pence was finally elevated, with the power to respond quickly to bureaucratic bottlenecks. Weeks ago, private laboratories like Quest Diagnostics should have been encouraged to run their own tests for the virus.

Weeks ago, the government should have promised to cover the cost of testing, instead of leaving it to the tangle of insurance. Weeks ago, the White House should have begun working with states and cities to devise a uniform response to outbreaks, and with Congress to ready aid packages for regions that need to go into lockdown — and perhaps to prepare a general stimulus as well. Even a specific issue like the production of surgical masks, outsourced like so many things to China, could have been the focus of a Trump-directed mobilization.

Above all, the president’s rhetoric could have been deployed from early February onward to encourage people to take this disease seriously, to focus a political and social response, to prepare the country for the kind of steps that have contained the coronavirus elsewhere.

And then when, at last, even the cosmopolitans became alarmed, he took their anxiety as a partisan insult, and lapsed into “hoax” accusations, pulling a certain percentage of his co-partisans into irresponsibility along with him.

The biggest reveal is when he said he didn't want the cruise ship passengers ashore because they'd count against our numbers and they weren't our fault: “I like the numbers being where they are,” Trump said. “I don’t need the numbers to double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.” Jesus.