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Yes...well...thank goodness the Taliban are there to uphold moral standards and set positive examples...
Taliban Execute Pakistani Police on Camera - ABC News
Dont get me wrong BTW...the recent shootings criminal, horrific...and can should and absolutely will be punished. Just sayin...a group of people that routinely kill women for the crime of being seen in public with men...well...Im not sure they are exactly the arbiters of morality and positive social interactions.
Right. As long as it is in the name of Allah. Hey...wait...do we know if the guy that went on the shooting spree recently converted? Cuz...if so...what...slap on the wrist...just actions in the name of fighting oppression?Hey, anything to kill an infidel.
Dont get me wrong BTW...the recent shootings are criminal, horrific...and can should and absolutely will be punished. Just sayin...a group of people that routinely kill women for the crime of being seen in public with men...well...Im not sure they are exactly the arbiters of morality and positive social interactions.
Ever been there?If a war is long enough, then there sure as hell is a reason.
Yeah, and not every Soldiers experience is the same. We had one guy in my last unit that should have been chaptered out after he came back from his second deployment. The first one he got shot twice, and got blown up. During the middle of the second, he broke, and couldn't do it anymore. He should have been sent to mental health, but nope. They said the same thing to keep him in, that he was just faking it because there were guys that went on 3 or 4 tours. He shot himself in the head two months after coming back to the States.There are guys who have done six, seven, eight tours of duty without committing the acts that this guy has, not to mention the guy's comrades, some of whom I'm sure have been deployed just as much as he has without killing sixteen civilians. It is idiotic to attribute the cause of this incident to the number of deployments, seeing as this sergeant is an exception to the rule.
Ever been there?
Yeah, and not every Soldiers experience is the same. We had one guy in my last unit that should have been chaptered out after he came back from his second deployment. The first one he got shot twice, and got blown up. During the middle of the second, he broke, and couldn't do it anymore. He should have been sent to mental health, but nope. They said the same thing to keep him in, that he was just faking it because there were guys that went on 3 or 4 tours. He shot himself in the head two months after coming back to the States.
I agree it's idiotic to attribute his actions solely to deployment. If it were about deployment alone then every soldier deployed that many times would be doing these things. However, I don't think it's out of line to think that the number of deployments in addition to what he experienced on them might have contributed to his actions and potential psychotic break. It's also worth noting that not everything unethical military members do gets this amount of coverage. It's entirely possible that while things at this scale aren't happening frequently over there, callous things beyond the scope of combat are happening and are just not reported.If a war is long enough, then there sure as hell is a reason. There are guys who have done six, seven, eight tours of duty without committing the acts that this guy has, not to mention the guy's comrades, some of whom I'm sure have been deployed just as much as he has without killing sixteen civilians. It is idiotic to attribute the cause of this incident to the number of deployments, seeing as this sergeant is an exception to the rule.
You need to convince the Afghans of this, not me! It is the Afghans that may retaliate and kill coalition forces, not me. It is the Afghans that can kick our ass out of their country, not me?
I'm not too worried. I figure that the average Afghani can see the obvious truth in my post, perhaps better than you've managed. Really, it's common sense. They see us prosecuting the criminal and notice a difference between the US and terrorists - even if you can't see it.
Of course he did. Always said as much.it doesn't matter right now. we should condemn the actions of the soldier and leave it at that. there is no point in referencing a culture we can't comprehend, and it makes no difference how they behave, that soldier committed a horrible crime.
Because Bush didnt leave Obama an exit plan and strategy, nor did he have a prepositioned out agreement as they had in Iraq. They tried the 'surge'...now? I truly believe the reason we arent out is that Obama simply doesnt KNOW what to do. And really...he cant win. If we stay...more of the same. If we leave, republicans will rip him for 'retreating' or surrendering.Why are we still there?
Because Bush didnt leave Obama an exit plan and strategy, nor did he have a prepositioned out agreement as they had in Iraq. They tried the 'surge'...now? I truly believe the reason we arent out is that Obama simply doesnt KNOW what to do. And really...he cant win. If we stay...more of the same. If we leave, republicans will rip him for 'retreating' or surrendering.
This ALL should have been resolved under Bush. People dont like specific dates...horse****. We should have committed to post war + 5-7 years tops and then turned everything over to them.
It means you're another armchair admiral, with a lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda's, sans any actual knowledge or experience of what's going on in real time.Nope. And I fail to see how this is relevant or addresses my point.
No, my argument is that he needs to be examined, instead of being instantly judged and thrown to the wolves, because something was obviously wrong. I pointed at his multiple tours as a contributing factor in what appears, to me, to be some sort of psychological breakdown.I never said war was fun or that it's cool that people serve multiple tours. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your reasoning. I'm sure war can **** up your mind in multiple ways, but your argument was that the cause of this incident was because this guy served four tours. By that reasoning, all guys serving four tours or more would be going out and killing sixteen civilians and turning themselves in afterwards.
The average Afghani can't see your post because the average Afghani doesn't have internet access.
The average Afghani can't see your post because the average Afghani doesn't have internet access.
They aren't the ones turning their backs on their own like a lamb to the slaughter because it's the PC thing to do.
They can see the truth that is found in the post.
I don't know about you, but I don't call someone that kills women and children in their sleep, one of my own.
It's easy to distance yourself and claim no ties when things are difficult... it takes courage and honor to do it even when things are bad. I don't know the guy, he may be nutty as a fruitcake but he's still one of my own. He needs help and he must pay for his actions.
It's easy to distance yourself and claim no ties when things are difficult... it takes courage and honor to do it even when things are bad. I don't know the guy, he may be nutty as a fruitcake but he's still one of my own. He needs help and he must pay for his actions.
Amen. If only the people that trip over themselves to excuse and justify the acts of terrorists were that plain spoken and direct instead of continually offering pathetic mealy mouthed excuses about how unfair life is and the occupation and its not all Muslims and blah blah blah...There is no courage or honor in killing women and children in their sleep. Its just too bad that he will not be the only one to pay for his actions.
Amen. If only the people that trip over themselves to excuse and justify the acts of terrorists were that plain spoken and direct instead of continually offering pathetic mealy mouthed excuses about how unfair life is and the occupation and its not all Muslims and blah blah blah...
'Like'...a thousand times 'like'. And of course you will be sure to jump in and condemn every terrorist act in the same manner...I have faith in you...so...like in advance...
I never claimed there was.There is no courage or honor in killing women and children in their sleep.
It's also too bad individuals abandon others when something bad happens.Its just too bad that he will not be the only one to pay for his actions.
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