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Officer Byrd violated her civil rights

WilHaftaWaite said:
based on years of experience
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Uh huh....;)
WilHaftaWaite said:
to the contrary: "Law enforcement and correctional officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force only when necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person.

she was still in the window and was not even on the barricade when he shot. NOT imminent.

"Plus, is it out of the realm to recognize that any other officer, when placed in Byrd’s position, would not have done the same thing? "

Not if they held to their training, there would have been no shot til she was thru the window, and on the barricade.
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And it was certainly necessary. Period.
 
Buster Keaton said:
the victim was unarmed and posed no threat
shooting her at point blank was excessive force
people are letting their political hatred deny the facts
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Babbitt WAS armed.
 
Buster Keaton said:
the victim was unarmed and posed no threat....
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I don't know how you can claim she "posed no threat." There's a lot of context you're ignoring. She could be seen as the tip of the spear of violent rioters breaking into a secured area and chanting for the vice president to be hanged.
 
WilHaftaWaite said:
"....a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person.
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You want to talk about "imminent"? No criminal charges filed in the Darrien Hunt case. Here, the officer shot him as he was running away, claiming he could have posed a danger to the shoppers at the mall a quarter mile away! (The city responsible for the officers DID settle the civil suit.... for something like 3% of what Babbitt's family is asking for.)
 
WilHaftaWaite said:
to the contrary: "Law enforcement and correctional officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force only when necessary, that is, when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person.

she was still in the window and was not even on the barricade when he shot. NOT imminent.

"Plus, is it out of the realm to recognize that any other officer, when placed in Byrd’s position, would not have done the same thing? "

Not if they held to their training, there would have been no shot til she was thru the window, and on the barricade.
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No, not to the contrary. You can claim the threat was not imminent all you want, yet the side window had been broken out and she was coming right on through. The moment she jumped up on that broken window frame to come through, there was the threat. She didn’t need her feet to hit the floor on the other side to finally make her a threat.

And it was easy to see Byrd with his gun drawn. If an officer has his gun drawn in plain sight, you can’t really argue that Byrd did not have a reasonable belief there was imminent danger of death or serious physical injury.

You’re also quibbling about a split second- so it’s out of bounds to shoot her when she was on the broken window frame, ready to come through, yet it wouldn’t have been had she actually gone all the way through and on the floor? Yeah, right. Now I know your posts are disingenuous.

The Department of Justice and the Capitol Police refused to charge him. I’d be willing to bet they would qualify as “any other officer,” and it would be ignorant for any of them not to imagine themselves in Byrd’s position. They know what Byrd did was justified and necessary. The fact that your posts disagree with that doesn’t matter.
 
DCCougar said:
You want to talk about "imminent"? No criminal charges filed in the Darrien Hunt case. Here, the officer shot him as he was running away, claiming he could have posed a danger to the shoppers at the mall a quarter mile away! (The city responsible for the officers DID settle the civil suit.... for something like 3% of what Babbitt's family is asking for.)
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imminent threat running away?

he should have been tried for murder.

is an unarmed man 50 yards an imminent threat?

NO

he isn't until he reaches about 25 yards.

he can cover 25 yards in a few seconds, making his presence 'imminent'.
 
Grogu said:
No, not to the contrary. You can claim the threat was not imminent all you want, yet the side window had been broken out and she was coming right on through. The moment she jumped up on that broken window frame to come through, there was the threat. She didn’t need her feet to hit the floor on the other side to finally make her a threat.

And it was easy to see Byrd with his gun drawn. If an officer has his gun drawn in plain sight, you can’t really argue that Byrd did not have a reasonable belief there was imminent danger of death or serious physical injury.

You’re also quibbling about a split second- so it’s out of bounds to shoot her when she was on the broken window frame, ready to come through, yet it wouldn’t have been had she actually gone all the way through and on the floor? Yeah, right. Now I know your posts are disingenuous.

The Department of Justice and the Capitol Police refused to charge him. I’d be willing to bet they would qualify as “any other officer,” and it would be ignorant for any of them not to imagine themselves in Byrd’s position. They know what Byrd did was justified and necessary. The fact that your posts disagree with that doesn’t matter.
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Grogu said:
. The moment she jumped up on that broken window frame to come through, there was the threat.
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not an imminent one.
Grogu said:
She didn’t need her feet to hit the floor on the other side to finally make her a threat.
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to be an imminent one, she did.
 
WilHaftaWaite said:
did you miss them when they were posted before?

she was only halfway thru the window, with a barrier between her and Byrd. the threat from her was NOT 'imminent'. IF he were properly equipped, he could have stopped her with a taser, mace, a baton, or the butt of his firearm. LETHAL FORCE was unnecessary at that point.
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Nonsense.

She was breaking into a secure area and likely planned to harm members of congress. She was a threat. If she did not want to be seen as a threat, she should not have been at the capitol.
 
DCCougar said:
I don't know how you can claim she "posed no threat." There's a lot of context you're ignoring. She could be seen as the tip of the spear of violent rioters breaking into a secured area and chanting for the vice president to be hanged.
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Apparently, she would have no problem if such a mob was breaking into her home or business.
 
WilHaftaWaite said:
agreed.

but not an imminent threat.

Lethal force was not needed.
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Despite multiple warnings not to proceed,[7] Babbitt attempted to climb through a shattered window beside a barricaded door into the Speaker's Lobby and was thwarted when she was shot in her left anterior shoulder[8] by a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer.[9][10][11][8] After a USCP emergency response team administered aid, Babbitt was transported to Washington Hospital Center, where she died.[12][13] The USCP deemed the shooting was "lawful and within Department policy" and "potentially saved Members (of Congress) and staff from serious injury and possible death".[14][15] Babbitt has been considered a martyr by Donald Trump supporters, and by Trump himself.[16]

She was told to stop and continued to try to advance.

The Capitol Police officer who fatally shot rioter Ashli Babbitt as she attempted to break into the Speaker’s Lobby near the House floor on Jan. 6 said in a television interview Thursday he was yelling at the mob to “get back” and “stop” and fired when those commands were not followed.

“She was posing a threat to United States House of Representatives,” Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd told NBC’s Lester Holt.

Babbitt, an Air Force veteran and QAnon follower, was part of a mob that was trying to get into the Speaker’s Lobby, an area with direct access to the House floor that is off limits to the general public. Supporters of former President Donald Trump, and Trump himself, have questioned her shooting.
 
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