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Ocean's 8 cast to include Rihanna, Anne Hathaway, Mindy Kaling.
This is getting stupid. We already knew Hollywood was mostly out of ideas in light of all the remakes (of films, of comics, etc). Now they're on to remaking a remake, and only casting females as lead characters. They simply cannot come up with new ideas, and make the strong lead a female now and then? They've got to dredge up existing franchises and fight sexism by recasting all the important males as female? (See also Ghostbusters, Iron Man, etc).
Silly, and actually rather condescending. You're not going to convince sexists to not be sexist by remaking movies they might like and hope a bulb goes off. Meanwhile, you don't need to convince people who aren't sexist using this rather dubious method or any other.
Just make new stories, avoid being sexist while doing it, and drop the vapid pretense.
Ocean's 8 cast to include Rihanna, Anne Hathaway, Mindy Kaling.
This is getting stupid. We already knew Hollywood was mostly out of ideas in light of all the remakes (of films, of comics, etc). Now they're on to remaking a remake, and only casting females as lead characters. They simply cannot come up with new ideas, and make the strong lead a female now and then? They've got to dredge up existing franchises and fight sexism by recasting all the important males as female? (See also Ghostbusters, Iron Man, etc).
Silly, and actually rather condescending. You're not going to convince sexists to not be sexist by remaking movies they might like and hope a bulb goes off. Meanwhile, you don't need to convince people who aren't sexist using this rather dubious method or any other....
No one decided "lets remake this movie with all women to fight sexism!"
It's guaranteed that the main idea is "If we make this an all woman remake, you think more people will come see it?" Its all about the money. I don't like remakes, but if they decide to use females instead of males, I can't even begin to think why anyone should be upset over it.
I don't like remakes, but if they decide to use females instead of males, I can't even begin to think why anyone should be upset over it.
You know this how, exactly?
You think Hollywood wasn't paying attention to the initial negative reaction to all-female Ghostbusters and larger counter-reaction in the media celebrating the fact that they chose an all-female cast and denigrating those who thought it was a dumb idea as "mysognists"? To all the other media articles about how Hollywood discriminates against older women, or against women generally by usually just casting hot females and/or making their role secondary to male roles? All that sort of stuff? Of course they were paying attention.
Moreover, if I'm wrong that they did it for these reasons, then why would they specifically pick an all-female cast especially after just doing Ghostbusters the same way? Why not pick a cast of the best female and male characters out of auditions? For what you are saying to be correct, they would have had to hold auditions and determine that every single male actor who showed up did a bad job. Pretty unlikely, no?
Well, yes: apart from Mr. Hughes, nobody produces movies without intending to make money. I don't think that means it can be read as the only motivation.
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They can make a movie with all the women they want, but if they are only remaking an existing movie with a different gender, it is bound to suck.
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Do you have any examples of characters who have been either regendered that late in the game, this being casting, or that were left gender neutral for that long? Except for minor characters I think this happens very rarely.
OUTRAGE!
Seriously....why do people think alleging that someone they disagree with is emotional in some way is anything but a lame ad hominem maneuver? I see it all the time here. "You're afraid! You're hateful! You're outraged!" If you have an objection to the rationale, make it.
I'm not "outraged." I just think it's a dumb idea and further reflects how utterly out of ideas Hollywood is these days. This is the "Arts & Entertainment" forum, so that's where I put it.
Turning historically male characters into female characters is all the rage, powered in part no doubt by the success of Hamilton turning real life white people into not white people on the stage, but that decision is made at the start of the project, by the studio bosses. I am asking if you have any examples of a studio waiting till casting and auditions before deciding what gender a character will be, based upon which actor makes the part the best, regardless of gender. I dont think it hardly happens, because I think the genders are set in stone by the end of script writing, which comes before casting.If you're a fan of somewhat cheesy British Sci-Fi: Yes, in Doctor Who. ("The Master" became "Missy", roughly 50 years into its run; there have similarly been demands that the main character be replaced by a female actress when the current lead steps down).
Still, that's a bit different given that a central conceit is that the main character's species can fully regenerate their body when in circumstances which would ordinarily cause death (but which would not utterly destroy a body, say, such as being vaporized). They hadn't done sex-change regeneration in either the original or renewed series, then sort of stuck it in a few years back.
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Ocean's 8 cast to include Rihanna, Anne Hathaway, Mindy Kaling.
This is getting stupid. We already knew Hollywood was mostly out of ideas in light of all the remakes (of films, of comics, etc). Now they're on to remaking a remake, and only casting females as lead characters. They simply cannot come up with new ideas, and make the strong lead a female now and then? They've got to dredge up existing franchises and fight sexism by recasting all the important males as female? (See also Ghostbusters, Iron Man, etc).
Silly, and actually rather condescending. You're not going to convince sexists to not be sexist by remaking movies they might like and hope a bulb goes off. Meanwhile, you don't need to convince people who aren't sexist using this rather dubious method or any other.
Just make new stories, avoid being sexist while doing it, and drop the vapid pretense.
No one decided "lets remake this movie with all women to fight sexism!" It's guaranteed that the main idea is "If we make this an all woman remake, you think more people will come see it?" Its all about the money.
So this means George Clooney becomes a lesbian in the remake?
Where's Frank, Dino, & Sammy, when we really need them?Ocean's 8 cast to include Rihanna, Anne Hathaway, Mindy Kaling.
This is getting stupid. We already knew Hollywood was mostly out of ideas in light of all the remakes (of films, of comics, etc). Now they're on to remaking a remake, and only casting females as lead characters. They simply cannot come up with new ideas, and make the strong lead a female now and then? They've got to dredge up existing franchises and fight sexism by recasting all the important males as female? (See also Ghostbusters, Iron Man, etc).
Silly, and actually rather condescending. You're not going to convince sexists to not be sexist by remaking movies they might like and hope a bulb goes off. Meanwhile, you don't need to convince people who aren't sexist using this rather dubious method or any other.
Just make new stories, avoid being sexist while doing it, and drop the vapid pretense.
Except of course it actually causes less people to show up proven by past examples. Hollywood is just clueless and loves pushing their social/political agendas.
No one decided "lets remake this movie with all women to fight sexism!" It's guaranteed that the main idea is "If we make this an all woman remake, you think more people will come see it?" Its all about the money.
I don't like remakes, but if they decide to use females instead of males, I can't even begin to think why anyone should be upset over it.
Where's Frank, Dino, & Sammy, when we really need them?
Time: LIFE With the Rat Pack: Rare Photos of Frank, Dino and Sammy
Robin passed too soon....
All I know is that I can't ****ing wait to see Wonder Woman...
Robin passed too soon....
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Perhaps.Robin decided to leave because he had deep financial problems and he had lost his gift.
But man oh man, he did some great work while he was with us.
:applaud
I wont watch these period. Not because of females but because the first were already great and because the sexist reason to use females. If they simply made Ghostbusters remakeca sequel that would be different. Just make Oceans a different crew on a different job. But your right. They are running out of ideas.
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