Obama's Legacy Can Be Erased

[Threegoofs]

The President's legacy will be forgotten within a few years. But that can be said for most presidents. Aside from 9/11 (the good and bad stuff on his Administration's part), I don't remember anything from the Bush era...oh yeah wire tapping and his shared part in the Bail Out (some people forget that it was one of the last things he signed making both the former and the current president responsible).

If the Republicans win the election the smartest thing they could do would be not to toss out the ACA offhandedly but to strip it and make it into something more sensible. Maybe bring us closer to killing our Government's and corporation's idea that its ok to make insane profits from the American people's healthcare needs (something that was changed not one tiny bit by the ACA as a note).

You realize, of course, that the ACA specifically forces insurers to pay back 85% of premiums, thus tending to limit insurance profits, right?

 

[upsideguy]

Wall Street Journal


It could have been very different. Obama could have reached out to Republicans and crafted policies that had a significant amount of bipartisan support.

He did. The White House tried very hard to involve Republicans... they just wanted no part of it.

Chronology | Obama's Deal | FRONTLINE | PBS
The Unprecedented, Contemptible GOP Quest to Sabotage Obamacare - The Atlantic
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Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993? | PunditFact
http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/29/why-republicans-have-no-business-being-upset-about-obamacare/

But instead he passed laws that were as far to the left as he could make them without alienating the moderate Democrat votes he needed.

Well, I don't think the Republicans have passed anything like the ACA was passed since Reconstruction.

As far left as the Heritage Foundation could design. BTW, the far left wanted single payer, not a plan that enriched insurance companies.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/j
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...nservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/R...-irony-of-Republican-disapproval-of-Obamacare

Later he thumbed his nose at the new Republican Congress, offered then nothing in the way of a compromise or bargan, and enacted policies by executive fiat. So he created an opposition that is implacably dedicated to undoing everything that he did. And sooner or later they will do that.

Love how the Cons like to ignore the present and re-write history.

Its all moot, as the Republicans have no shot at repealing Obamacare. They will neither have the power (exceptionally unlikely they can win the White House and a very good chance they lose the Senate) nor the will of the people (how do you uninsure the previous uninsurables)?

http://blog.chron.com/goplifer/2014/11/the-missing-story-of-the-2014-election/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-win-270-electoral-votes-in-2016-or-ever.html
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-democrats-have-a-lock-on-the-white-house-2014-11-25


The Cons really need to stop living in the past and develop a plan for the future.

 

[calamity]

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it is their job to stop things that they don't agree with is it not? would it not be bad for the people that elected them
to always agree with the majority party?

half the reason the deficit dropped was because republicans in congress refused to sign onto these massive budget plans that democras and Obama kept proposing.

The op said Obama is a baaad maaan because he doesn't compromise. Now you're saying that the GOP doesn't compromise with Obama makes them good. :lol:

 

[ludin]

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The op said Obama is a baaad maaan because he doesn't compromise. Now you're saying that the GOP doesn't compromise with Obama makes them good. :lol:

you obviously don't know what the word compromises means.

also Obama doesn't compromise. it is his way or he pitches a fit and signs another unconstitutional EO.
I have yet to see Obama compromise on anything.

I have seen king Obama pitch a fit and cry and whine more times than I can count because those mean old founding fathers and those mean ol republicans
won't let me have his way and rule by fiat.

he is probably one of the worst presidents we have ever had.

 

[sangha]

Just admit it sangha, you were wrong. I gave you the vote count, and you were wrong. All the other crap is just noise. You were wrong and it pisses you off that it was me that proved it. Admit it.

The vote count proved I was right about the GOP being as partisan as Obama. It's hilarious that you still think you've "disproven" my point when all it did was prove I was right

 

[calamity]

you obviously don't know what the word compromises means.

also Obama doesn't compromise. it is his way or he pitches a fit and signs another unconstitutional EO.
I have yet to see Obama compromise on anything.

I have seen king Obama pitch a fit and cry and whine more times than I can count because those mean old founding fathers and those mean ol republicans
won't let me have his way and rule by fiat.

he is probably one of the worst presidents we have ever had.

He's doing what those who elected him want him to do, just like your beloved republicans that you praised for being obstinate.

 

[SENSIBLE PATRIO]

Ah, yes, if only Obama had "reached out" to the party that swore from Day One they would destroy his presidency by any means necessary. Those poor, poor Republicans.

Yep and because we weren't successful look at how he has destroyed our country!

 

[Beaudreaux]

He was responding to this :



And said medicare part D.

That is something that republicans have passed. Primarily republicans. The majority of the voters were republican and the president who signed it into law was a republican.

Okay? Basically, you just restated what I said before. Your commentary you added doesn't come close to refuting my point, that he was wrong, and that I showed he was wrong.

 

[Beaudreaux]

The vote count proved I was right about the GOP being as partisan as Obama. It's hilarious that you still think you've "disproven" my point when all it did was prove I was right

Not even close. The PPACA was passed with ZERO votes from the minority party, and Medicare Part D was not. Apples and oranges. Even if it was just one or two votes, it would still not be the same as ZERO. The old saying comes to mind here sangha - When you find yourself in a whole, stop digging. You keep digging though.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Not even close. The PPACA was passed with ZERO votes from the minority party, and Medicare Part D was not. Apples and oranges. Even if it was just one or two votes, it would still not be the same as ZERO. The old saying comes to mind here sangha - When you find yourself in a whole, stop digging. You keep digging though.

do congressional comittee votes count?

also, arlen specter was a republican.

 

[sangha]

Okay? Basically, you just restated what I said before. Your commentary you added doesn't come close to refuting my point, that he was wrong, and that I showed he was wrong.

You proved that I was right - the gop is just as partisan as Obama

 

[sangha]

do congressional comittee votes count?

also, arlen specter was a republican.

I think it's hilarious that Beaudreaux thinks getting 9 dem votes out of more than 200 dems is a sign of bipartisanship :lamo

 

[Ikari]

Wall Street Journal



It could have been very different. Obama could have reached out to Republicans and crafted policies that had a significant amount of bipartisan support. But instead he passed laws that were as far to the left as he could make them without alienating the moderate Democrat votes he needed. Later he thumbed his nose at the new Republican Congress, offered then nothing in the way of a compromise or bargan, and enacted policies by executive fiat. So he created an opposition that is implacably dedicated to undoing everything that he did. And sooner or later they will do that.

If he wanted to be "one of the most transformative presidents", then he shouldn't have been just like Bush.

But I'm not sure we can just erase the **** stain of Obama's Presidency, we're likely just going to go ahead and have to own up to it.

 

[Ikari]

Yep. a GOP president should overturn most of his crap-if a republican congress doesn't get the balls to do so

A standard Republocrat won't though, because they want to be able to do the same. As such, they need to make it seem like these actions are legitimate.

 

[Kobie]

Yep and because we weren't successful look at how he has destroyed our country!

:roll:

 

[Beaudreaux]

You proved that I was right - the gop is just as partisan as Obama

What a warped view of reality - I prove you are wrong, and you try to turn that into I proved you were right. Just admit it, you were wrong and I proved it so.

 

[sangha]

What a warped view of reality - I prove you are wrong, and you try to turn that into I proved you were right. Just admit it, you were wrong and I proved it so.

Yes, a GOP bill getting 9 out of 200 dems shows how "bipartisan" the GOP is!!! :lamo

 

[Beaudreaux]

Yes, a GOP bill getting 9 out of 200 dems shows how "bipartisan" the GOP is!!! :lamo

Who's making that argument? Not me. I just showed that the statement you made ["Medicare D"] was inaccurate in response to the requisite post. You were wrong, and I gave the proof. Admit it, sangha.

 

[sangha]

Who's making that argument? Not me.

That's what's so funny.

We were talking about how the GOP is just as partisan as Obama, but since you didn't (and still don't) understand this, you think that vote contradicts my point when it proves my point

 

[Beaudreaux]

That's what's so funny.

We were talking about how the GOP is just as partisan as Obama, but since you didn't (and still don't) understand this, you think that vote contradicts my point when it proves my point

I never discussed partisan or bi-partisan or how one party is any better than the other - that was you guys. I only responded to the thread path that I gave you earlier, that was specific to the PPACA getting ZERO votes from the minority and you, in response to LowDown saying that nothing like that or any of Obama's EO's had occurred since Reconstruction, said "Medicare D" and I showed you that you were wrong. You are still wrong.

You can keep derailing this thread with various arguments to deflect from both the thread topic (Obama's unconstitutional EO's and other actions) and from the fact that one of your derailment attempts failed and was factually wrong, and I showed it as such. Just admit it and get it over with. You were wrong.

 

[sangha]

I never discussed partisan

No you didn't.

Instead, you jumped into the middle of a discussion that was about partisanship, and even after being told this numerous times, you still don't realize you jumped into the middle of a discussion that was about partisanship

 

[Beaudreaux]

No you didn't.

Instead, you jumped into the middle of a discussion that was about partisanship, and even after being told this numerous times, you still don't realize you jumped into the middle of a discussion that was about partisanship

You made a claim, and were wrong. Admit it.

 

[sangha]

You made a claim, and were wrong. Admit it.

My claim was correct and your post confirmed that.

But since you've seem to have gotten everything wrong about the discussion you jumped into, I'd like to hear what you think my claim was.

 

[Absentglare]

Okay? Basically, you just restated what I said before. Your commentary you added doesn't come close to refuting my point, that he was wrong, and that I showed he was wrong.

... You can't possibly be serious.

Republicans passed Medicare part D.

Medicare part D is like the ACA.

Therefore, republicans passed something like the ACA very recently.

 

[Beaudreaux]

My claim was correct and your post confirmed that.

But since you've seem to have gotten everything wrong about the discussion you jumped into, I'd like to hear what you think my claim was.

You were wrong, and that is what I proved. Admit it.