Kanstantine
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Services like foodstamps, bus passes, or similar, could be pretty decently protected by requiring an ID to redeem. If only that person can use it, it has no real value for trade.
As for the phones, I don't know why our government needs to be handing out free phones to people.
Maybe you should read the source I provide and find out. Hint: the cost did not explode immediately following Bush's expansion. Things take time. And crying that people are blaming Bush for a program Bush signed into law is hilarious, especially when you are blaming Obama for something that happened when he was not even president, but did reform to reduce costs.
Same reason Reagan gave free landline service to poor people.
Was that supposed to be a gotcha moment? Why do I give a **** what Reagan did? We're talking about a ridiculous program that has no reason to exist.Same reason Reagan gave free landline service to poor people.
Obama is the President who has overseen implementation of this program. Not Bush. Obama. You even admit this. The abuse of this program is happening now. Not 4+ years ago. Right now.
You've even admitted that Obama "instituted reforms that cut costs". If that's the case, then why did the program explode in costs in 2012? That's 4 years later. An excuse like "Things take time" doesn't cut it. Food stamps have exploded in costs under Obama's watch? Which past President's fault is that?
I'm thinking you should quit while you're behind. You think the snopes link covered your bases?
First just how are 'hard working Americans' getting ripped off?
Next it is fun to watch you bemoan crony corporate fat cats when so many think the rich work very hard for their money and deserve their profits.
Then you seem incapable of realizing any program that is expanded, this one by BushII, would have an exponential increase in cost- guess you and BushII have the same grasp of how these things work. :roll:
I do know how much drugs you can get for these phones...little to none. If you had a real phone like a smartphone you might get 20 bucks worth of dope....might.
I have seen these phones, the trac and virgin ones, both are super simplistic the best retail example is the Best Buy ATT 'Go Phones' that retail for 8 bucks. Tracphone sells it's phone for 14 bucks retail at Dollar General.
I realize that facts are a rough thing to handle for you, but I presented facts, including the snopes link(which documents everything it said), and the document detailing the reformns to the program. Notice that you and Bronson have documented...well, pretty much nothing and have not been able to offer one single fact to counter anything I have said. Facts: cryptonite to conservatives.
Services like foodstamps, bus passes, or similar, could be pretty decently protected by requiring an ID to redeem. If only that person can use it, it has no real value for trade.
As for the phones, I don't know why our government needs to be handing out free phones to people.
Obama is the President who has overseen implementation of this program. Not Bush. Obama. You even admit this. The abuse of this program is happening now. Not 4+ years ago. Right now.
You've even admitted that Obama "instituted reforms that cut costs". If that's the case, then why did the program explode in costs in 2012? That's 4 years later. An excuse like "Things take time" doesn't cut it. Food stamps have exploded in costs under Obama's watch too. Which past President's fault is that?
You're all over the map with these comically embarrassing responses
First you're dropping knowledge on what you can get for these phones, now you're claiming ignorance. Make up your mind. These phones are subsidized by people who work and pay their bills. Those are just the facts. The expansion of this program and it's implementation has happened under Obama's watch. 2.2B in 2012 is not "reducing costs and instituting reforms"
The expansion of this program and it's implementation has happened under Obama's watch. 2.2B in 2012 is not "reducing costs and instituting reforms".
The costs exploded, then reforms where implemented. You can't blame it on Obama when his only action was to reform the program to cut costs. Now, I documented this, you might want to check dates. You have had major difficulties with facts, and especially dates in this thread.
So you are back to making **** up. Well done! It is clear you have no interest in facts.
AS has been documented in this thread, the government is not handing out phones to any one. Just because some one says something is true, does not mean it is.
When do we see the unedited video where O'Keefe was passing out money to people to say these things?
O'Leefe hasn't posted a truthful video yet, why start now.
snopes.com: Free 'ObamaPhones' for Welfare Recipients
The government does not supply free phones.
It was not expanded by Obama.
Obama implemented a review and reform to reduce the cost of the program.
OP is a bunch of lies.
You're all over the map with these comically embarrassing responses
First you're dropping knowledge on what you can get for these phones, now you're claiming ignorance. Make up your mind. These phones are subsidized by people who work and pay their bills. Those are just the facts. The expansion of this program and it's implementation has happened under Obama's watch. 2.2B in 2012 is not "reducing costs and instituting reforms" The expansion of this program and it's implementation has happened under Obama's watch. 2.2B in 2012 is not "reducing costs and instituting reforms".
I realize that facts are a rough thing to handle for you, but I presented facts, including the snopes link(which documents everything it said), and the document detailing the reformns to the program. Notice that you and Bronson have documented...well, pretty much nothing and have not been able to offer one single fact to counter anything I have said. Facts: cryptonite to conservatives.
From the article you didn't read
The program was expanded to cellphones only recently which is how the program is being abused. People who are getting free phones have nicknamed this program the "Obamaphone". This rampant fraud has been going on for years unchecked on Obama's watch.
I find it absolutely hilarious and amazing that you're asking me how this program could be reformed. Why don't you try and use some critical thinking skills.
You also admit why Socialism always fails. As PeteEU said in his post where he called blacks and hispanics "leeches to society", a trifecta :lol:
Redress has pretty much picked apart the myths of the "obamaphone".
Conservatives love the myth to much to let facts get in the way.
I am telling you quite a bit more about these phones than you know about them. I am telling you what you get for a top of the line i-phone in the drug world.
The expansion of the lifeline program came under BushII, the implementation of the exponential increase came under Obama.
Funny when a few billion in arms and cash go unaccounted for in Iraq/Afghanistan it is just the cost of doing the war bidness thang, but when a program approved as the old Administration is packing it's bags is wildly successful then by golly every penny needs to be accounted for.
These phones are not being paid for out of the general fund but their own account based on a user fee on cell phone programs. Reforms and better accountability do hold costs down, but the 2.2Billion has far less to do with poor management but far more to do with BushII expanding the program and millions taking advantage of a Republican program.
Since this program was approved by BushII one would think the fat cat cronies are BushII's... who else could get so close to him and whisper in his ear???
The only person who is having difficulty with facts in this thread is you. You're trying to claim Obama "reformed" the program when it's entire implementation has happened under his watch. When the costs of this program have increased by 12 times under his watch at a cost of 2.2B a year to taxpayers.
It's sad and pathetic that you have to resort to these kind of petty little attacks because you are unable to actually debate the issue. Bush served 20 days in 2009. Big woop. We both know his last serving year as President was 2008. Now why don't you tell us all why we should blame past presidents for Obama's skyrocketing food stamp costs as well. Apparently in your world Obama doesn't govern, doesn't supervise and any waste, fraud and abuse that happens under his watch is someone else's fault.
Are you kidding me right now? in 3 months how many free cellphones did Bush hand out to people. Give me a number.
Let's compare. 3 months of expansion under Bush compared to 4+ years under Obama.
Services like foodstamps, bus passes, or similar, could be pretty decently protected by requiring an ID to redeem. If only that person can use it, it has no real value for trade.
As for the phones, I don't know why our government needs to be handing out free phones to people.
1) Obama expanded the program to cellphones which is how the program is being abused
2) Don't project your racism onto me. Own it.
3) Who slammed him? Facts are the facts
Your emotions don't = facts
I can't seem to copy paste from Snopes, but in the explanation at the bottom it states that the program doesn't specify that they have to provide free phones for the money, just that they have to offer cheaper services to the poor. It continues to say that some cell phone companies do offer free phones for Lifeliners.
Therefore, yes, people are getting free cell phones because the government is paying off cell phone companies to do so.
I don't care who started it. Obama is president and it's still in effect. I blame him and his predecessors for it.
You don't need a phone to live. People lived many thousands of years without it.
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