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Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge

Deuce said:
Rebuttal:

Every single instance of universal healthcare in human history.

It's absurd to claim single payer is the most expensive healthcare ever when in literally every single case it is cheaper than what we have now.

We already ration healthcare in America. We just do it based on how much money you have.
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That is not a rational response. Single payer is absolutely the most expensive healthcare there is. The only reason that is not obvious to ideologues like you, is that every nation that has single payer healthcare rations it to control the costs. And no, America has never rationed healthcare at least in the private marketplace. When the left attempt to expand the definition of rationing to "Its rationed because it costs something, they just look silly.

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ObamacareFail said:
That is not a rational response. Single payer is absolutely the most expensive healthcare there is. The only reason that is not obvious to ideologues like you, is that every nation that has single payer healthcare rations it to control the costs. And no, America has never rationed healthcare at least in the private marketplace. When the left attempt to expand the definition of rationing to "Its rationed because it costs something, they just look silly.

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You are quite correct.

That's why the stupid plan in Communist Canada doesn't cover the same proportion of the Canadian population as the wonderful American system and why the abysmal quality of services offered in Communist Canada is so much lower than the superb quality of services delivered by the fantastic American system and why the dismal quality of life in Communist Canada is so much lower than the exalted quality of life in fabulous America and why the poorly cared for Canadians have such a drastically lower life expectancy than to the outstandingly cared for Americans and why the wastefully inefficient Socialist system in Communist Canada costs so much more than the efficiently delivered American system does.
 
Deuce said:
Rebuttal:

Every single instance of universal healthcare in human history.

It's absurd to claim single payer is the most expensive healthcare ever when in literally every single case it is cheaper than what we have now.

We already ration healthcare in America. We just do it based on how much money you have.
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What rationing system is agreeable to you?

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trouble13 said:
Democrats broke healthcare when they unanimously passed Obamacare. Dems need to stop demanding Republicans fix their monumental F-up and repair what they broke.

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What was so great about healthcare before Obama?? What do you expect to happen now?? It wasn't great before Obama. Just curious what you think will happen now.
 
jghiretire said:
What was so great about healthcare before Obama?? What do you expect to happen now?? It wasn't great before Obama. Just curious what you think will happen now.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to get me to defend?

Dems made something with problems worse

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Moderate Right said:
How about Democrats helping them come up with an idea that will be acceptable to Republicans? The best Democrats could do is come up with a plan where costs soared, leaving middle class Americans screwed, and is unconstitutional.
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You guys sure want to rewrite history. Health care sucked before the ACA. Not sure why you all are "dying" to go back to that.
Republicans had 2 years to do it. Offered to help and the Republicans basically said F & U - now you want the Dems to help??
Interesting.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm happy to await the outcome in the courts. FWIW, I have read Roberts myself, and I find Turley's argument not unreasonable. Will his view prevail? I don't know and I don't care. As I said, the irony is the attraction here, not the issue or the outcome.
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If you'd read the ruling you'd have some relevant text to quote from it. You don't, because the people who hand you your opinions haven't given you a quote.
 
trouble13 said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to get me to defend?

Dems made something with problems worse

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The rise in premiums actually slowed, the number of people insured increased by millions, people with pre-existing conditions finally got some health, and young people get a leg up by staying on their parents plans until they get settled into the workforce a bit better.

The **** are you talking about?
 
Deuce said:
The rise in premiums actually slowed, the number of people insured increased by millions, and young people get a leg up by staying on their parents plans until they get settled into the workforce a bit better.

The **** are you talking about?
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And deductables went up to counteract premiums. But by all means go ahead and defend it if you think your arguments will survive

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Deuce said:
That literally proves me right. Roberts was talking about the mandate specifically.
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Really?

mandate = tax = constitutionally valid

And if the mandate is removed then what happens to the tax, which Roberts found was the sole link to constitutionality?

That, at any rate, is Turley's question. And that's why we have courts.
 
Jack Hays said:
Really?

mandate = tax = constitutionally valid

And if the mandate is removed then what happens to the tax, which Roberts found was the sole link to constitutionality?

That, at any rate, is Turley's question. And that's why we have courts.
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to the constitutionality of the mandate.

The mandate is still present, and it's still a tax. President Ocasio-Cortez can wave a pen and put it back into play.
 
trouble13 said:
And deductables went up to counteract premiums. But by all means go ahead and defend it if you think your arguments will survive

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Defend it against what?
 
Deuce said:
to the constitutionality of the mandate.

The mandate is still present, and it's still a tax. President Ocasio-Cortez can wave a pen and put it back into play.
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That is for the courts to decide. And the Sarah Palin of the left won't be President.
 
Deuce said:
to the constitutionality of the mandate.

The mandate is still present, and it's still a tax. President Ocasio-Cortez can wave a pen and put it back into play.
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If we have learned anything over the last two years it past presidents pens have more standing than current ones

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Jack Hays said:
That is for the courts to decide. And the Sarah Palin of the left won't be President.
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It has already been decided. By SCOTUS. It's right there in the ruling.

This judge reading it wrong doesn't change that.
 
trouble13 said:
If we have learned anything over the last two years it past presidents pens have more standing than current ones

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Only because the current one keeps trying to break the law with his.
 
Jack Hays said:
That is why we have courts.
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You said that a thousand times, and my answer is the same. You're right. We have courts to smack down this blatant partisan judicial activism.
 
Deuce said:
You said that a thousand times, and my answer is the same. You're right. We have courts to smack down this blatant partisan judicial activism.
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We'll see. As I said, I don't care. I'm just enjoying the irony of all the original sleight-of-hand evolving into a legal threat.
 
Deuce said:
Only because the current one keeps trying to break the law with his.
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If you say so but remember the arguments you make today will be made tomorrow

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