Obamacare Enrollment for Uninsured Is Low, Survey Shows

[Joe Steel]

... How? you may ask. Because the costs of the free treatment for those people are added to your stay in the hospital which will also cause YOUR INSURANCE PREMIUMS to SKYROCKET. Yeah, we've been paying the piper all along...before this nitwit in Washington came up with his NEW SCAM.

Don't you think it's a good idea to make them pay for their own treatment? PPACA is an attempt to that. It requires everyone to get his own insurance, if possible.

 

[buck]

Don't you think it's a good idea to make them pay for their own treatment? PPACA is an attempt to that. It requires everyone to get his own insurance, if possible.

I'm just curious.. 247INA, as an example, has a plan that is mostly paid for through subsidies that (according to her) has a $50.00 deductible. How is she paying her own way?

 

[HogWash]

Don't you think it's a good idea to make them pay for their own treatment? PPACA is an attempt to that. It requires everyone to get his own insurance, if possible.

That's an EXCELLENT IDEA. The problem is that the same people subsisting at the hand of the government teat (housing, food, family aid etc. etc. etc. ) are NOW expected to pay for their own insurance? Get serious.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Folks, this is the truth of Obamacare, and actually tells only part of the horror story that is unfolding before our very eyes. But it explains why enrollments include mostly those who already had insurance they were happy with but lost because of Obamacare. And it explains waning public enthusiasm for this law.

The first 10 broken promises of Obamacare:

Promise #1: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period.”[2]
Reality: Millions of Americans have lost and will lose their coverage due to Obamacare.

Promise #2: “[T]hat means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.”[6]
Reality: Many Americans might not be able to keep their current doctor without paying extra.

Promise #3: “In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.”[9]
Reality: Premiums for people purchasing coverage in the individual market have significantly increased in a majority of states.

Promise #4: “[F]or the 85 and 90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance, this thing’s already happened. And their only impact is that their insurance is stronger, better and more secure than it was before. Full stop. That’s it. They don’t have to worry about anything else.”[12]
Reality: Obamacare imposes certain new benefit mandates on those with employer-sponsored coverage—a majority of Americans.

Promise #5: “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase.”[15]
Reality: Obamacare contains 18 separate tax hikes, fees, and penalties, many of which heavily impact the middle class

Promise #6: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits—either now or in the future.”[18]
Reality: Obamacare’s new spending is unsustainable.

Promise #7: “[W]hatever ideas exist in terms of bending the cost curve and starting to reduce costs for families, businesses, and government, those elements are in this bill.”[21]
Reality: Health spending is still rising and is projected to grow at an average rate of 5.8 percent from 2012 to 2022.[22]

Promise #8: “I will protect Medicare.”[24]
Reality: Obamacare cuts Medicare spending.

Promise #9: “I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American.”[27]
Reality: Millions of Americans will remain uninsured.

Promise #10: “So this law means more choice, more competition, lower costs for millions of Americans.”[29]
Reality: Obamacare has not increased insurer competition or consumer choice.
10 Broken Obamacare Promises​

Nancy Pelosi was quite right that they had to pass the law so we could find out what was in it. And what was in it was what is turning out to be a national nightmare.

Unfortunately, Obama has made most people unaware of the next most horrendous and unpopular part of the bill which will be huge increases in premiums by postponing the re-enrollment date MANDATED in the law to AFTER the 2014 election, and has by executive order circumvented the law by making other even more hideous provisions of it not be effective until after the 2016 election. I think we haven't seen anything close to the worst of it yet.

 

[Joe Steel]

I'm just curious.. 247INA, as an example, has a plan that is mostly paid for through subsidies that (according to her) has a $50.00 deductible. How is she paying her own way?

The beneficiary is a health plan customer. When he pays his premium, he participates in the health plan's costs.

 

[MTAtech]

How would Congress know....they didn't read the damned bill.

If they didn't read it they were abdicating their duties. John Boehner earns $223,500 a year and his only job is to be a Congressman. He also has a full-time staff. A Congressperson's only job is to review, propose and pass legislation. If Mr. Boehner couldn't find time to read the bill or delegate reading it to his staff, he simply wasn't performing his required duties.

Saying, "the document is too long to read," doesn't cut it in college, law school and at work -- and doesn't cut it in Congress.

 

[Joe Steel]

That's an EXCELLENT IDEA. The problem is that the same people subsisting at the hand of the government teat (housing, food, family aid etc. etc. etc. ) are NOW expected to pay for their own insurance? Get serious.

And some folks who could pay something haven't been because they can't afford the whole cost of insurance. They've been using public resources. Now they can pay something.

 

[MTAtech]

Yes, a bit, because the numbers have gotten worse.. Just not every day. Going from 44% to 54% disaproval is getitng worse.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/03/20/aca-at-age-4-more-disapproval-than-approval/3-20-14_01/

BTW, as of April it was 54% - so.. Worse but well within the MOE)

The oppposite, though? You indicated further up that it was flat... And you are correct, it's been flat for period of time. Staying the same and well within the margin of error is not the opposite of getting worse. No matter what bizarro world you live in.

In a recent Politico poll, the results were as follows:

Which of the following comes closest to your own view regarding the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare?

Keep the law as it is -- 16%
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Keep the law, but with modifications -- 35%
.......
Repeal the law -- 48%
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Decline to answer -- 1%

That means that 51% don't want to repeal the law. Considering that every GOP Senate candidate favors repeal, this may not be such a popular position.

 

[buck]

The beneficiary is a health plan customer. When he pays his premium, he participates in the health plan's costs.

The only thing that has changed is how her care is paid for. It used to be paid through increased insurance premiums or the hospital going after her for bills It's now paid through increased insurance premiums and taxpayer subsidies.

 

[MTAtech]

That's an EXCELLENT IDEA. The problem is that the same people subsisting at the hand of the government teat (housing, food, family aid etc. etc. etc. ) are NOW expected to pay for their own insurance? Get serious.

From WaPO:

For what it's worth, this division of "makers" and "takers" isn't true. Among the Americans who paid no federal income taxes in 2011, 61 percent paid payroll taxes -- which means they have jobs and, when you account for both sides of the payroll tax, they paid 15.3 percent of their income in taxes, which is higher than the 13.9 percent that Romney paid. Another 22 percent were elderly.

 

[buck]

In a recent Politico poll, the results were as follows:
That means that 51% don't want to repeal the law. Considering that every GOP Senate candidate favors repeal, this may not be such a popular position.

35% keep the law with modifications... What do you think that means? One of the most unpopular parts of the bill is the mandate... So, I would guess that's one thing to go based on this poll... What happens to the rest of Obamacre when that's gone?

 

[sangha]

35% keep the law with modifications... What do you think that means? One of the most unpopular parts of the bill is the mandate... So, I would guess that's one thing to go based on this poll... What happens to the rest of Obamacre when that's gone?

Nothing, because it's not going away

 

[Joe Steel]

The only thing that has changed is how her care is paid for. It used to be paid through increased insurance premiums or the hospital going after her for bills It's now paid through increased insurance premiums and taxpayer subsidies.

The example I gave you isn't for the previously insured. It's for those who weren't insured but could afford some premium.

 

[buck]

The example I gave you isn't for the previously insured. It's for those who weren't insured but could afford some premium.

My response was related to the same. Uninsured medical treatment used to be paid through increased premiums for those that had insurance or the hospital going after that individual (collections).

 

[buck]

Nothing, because it's not going away

Yes, we all know you are one of the minority that likes the bill.

 

[sangha]

Yes, we all know you are one of the minority that likes the bill.

And we know that you are one of the minority that would like to see it repealed

 

[Joe Steel]

My response was related to the same. Uninsured medical treatment used to be paid through increased premiums for those that had insurance or the hospital going after that individual (collections).

Now those who previously were uninsured are paying something toward their own care. Yes, I know the taxpayers are subsidizing them to some extent and I know other plan members are subsidizing them to some extent. That's just the way it has to be. Health care is not a market good. We have to give it away if some can not pay for it.

 

[buck]

And we know that you are one of the minority that would like to see it repealed

I am certainly one of hte majority that do not like the bill.

But.. Again.. What do you think people want to change about Obamacare? The least popular piece of it is the mandate. Think that may be something they want changed? If that is changed, it may as well be a repeal of the law wether that 35% relalize it or not.

 

[sangha]

I am certainly one of hte majority that do not like the bill.

But.. Again.. What do you think people want to change about Obamacare? The least popular piece of it is the mandate. Think that may be something they want changed? If that is changed, it may as well be a repeal of the law wether that 35% relalize it or not.

I'll add this to the List of Failed Predictions made by the right. Just after death panels and death spirals

 

[buck]

Now those who previously were uninsured are paying something toward their own care. Yes, I know the taxpayers are subsidizing them to some extent and I know other plan members are subsidizing them to some extent. That's just the way it has to be. Health care is not a market good. We have to give it away if some can not pay for it.

people used to pay towards their care before too.. Through the hospital going after (collections) the uninsured indivdual.

 

[MTAtech]

35% keep the law with modifications... What do you think that means? One of the most unpopular parts of the bill is the mandate... So, I would guess that's one thing to go based on this poll... What happens to the rest of Obamacre when that's gone?

If that is who the 35% are, they are stupid. One can't cover everyone covered, including pre-existing conditions, and not have a mandate or else everyone would sign up only when they got sick. It's like voters saying they want more services and lower taxes.

 

[buck]

I'll add this to the List of Failed Predictions made by the right. Just after death panels and death spirals

Add whatever you want.. But there was not a prediction there..> I'm just commenting on the poll.

48% want repeal and 35% want changes.. Again, the changes that a bulk of them are going to want? dump the individual mandate.. and again - that may as well be a repeal of the law.

 

[Joe Steel]

people used to pay towards their care before too.. Through the hospital going after (collections) the uninsured indivdual.

Many couldn't pay and were forced into bankruptcy. They lost everything and had to rely on public services.

 

[buck]

If that is who the 35% are, they are stupid. One can't cover everyone covered, including pre-existing conditions, and not have a mandate or else everyone would sign up only when they got sick. It's like voters saying they want more services and lower taxes.

It's by far the most unpopular portion of the law, at least if the polls can be believed... So.. yes I think logically you can conlude that is what most of them would want changed. You should know that a lot of people don't realize...

 

[sangha]

Add whatever you want.. But there was not a prediction there..> I'm just commenting on the poll.

48% want repeal and 35% want changes.. Again, the changes that a bulk of them are going to want? dump the individual mandate.. and again - that may as well be a repeal of the law.

The individual mandate isn't being repealed. Dream on