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That's the problem with supplying rebels, because you don't know who they will affiliate themselves with and make trades. It's becoming a messed up situation, where we don't know who to support.
For now, I think the Obama plan is to keep the conflict contained within it's current geographic boundaries, so as not to widen its scope or draw in other surrounding countries (Jordan, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc).
Obama doesn't seem to know who the good guys or bad guys are. "Rebels" has no meaning.
Do you have any evidence that BHO is thinking or planning anything? Or is this just your hope?I know, being a Bush supporter, these concepts seem foreign to you, but it's the way most of the world operates.
I can see no basis for your strident denials of the obvious. Acceptance of your denial would mean that all the idiotic attacks on him are the result of logical, coherent thinking -- and that is quite a laugh when you hear some of these nutcases rant on the TV and radio, and read some of the missives published in print and on the internet :screwy
It is rare that one black man engenders so much hatred from so many white 'conservatives', but the reason for it is not. All I can say is that if so many so firmly rooted in the past hate him so passionately then he must represent social progress
Well supplying weapons to Lebanon. Is not supplying weapons like to rebels. Moreover as WN put it.....the Lebanese government is nothing more than the beard of Hezbollah.
So while he said he had no plans.....this shipment has been in the works.
Good afternoon F&L - morning in your neck of the woods - hope all is well.
Have to disagree with you here. It is mind boggling to me that the President and the Pentagon don't have a strategy for dealing with ISIS when they just went into Iraq and spent a few days bombing ISIS. What was the intent behind that move? To calm domestic anger only? What did the Pentagon tell him was the likely outcome from the bombing? Or doesn't the Pentagon waste time filling the President in on what's happening in the world these days?
The US, the Defense Department and the State Department have strategies and contingency plans for any number of potential scenarios that are taking place or may take place in the world at any point in time. What this tells me is that the President isn't in the loop and that's probably a good thing.
We started interfering once the Saud and Qatar pressured us to do so. Which Hill-Dog admitted in her Friends of Syrian Meetings. Wherein she stated we gave support to the MB backed Rebels in the form of Soft aid and helping them to avoid capture.
Yeah you can make the case Russia supported Assad.....but then that's about it.
Yeah, but Hezbollah are terrorists and extremists, just a different brand than the Islamic extremists in Syria, who recently attacked the Lebanese border town of Arsal kidnapping and killing soldiers. If ISIS effectively took over Lebanon, I guarantee Israel would unleash an attack of epic proportions on them. It's all about containment for now, and the enemy of our enemy is our friend.
He said were are adding troops (surge) in Afghanistan and then we're pulling out in two weeks no matter what.
And of course Russia supported president Assad and if the US had sound policies in the ME, we would have as well. But don't be thinking the lone super power had its arm twisted by SA and Qatar alone. "Regime change" in Syria has been a long term US foreign policy.
The fact is that there isn't anything the U.S. and it's allies can do to effectively put an end to ISIS short of an all out invasion of Syria and a reoccupation of Iraq. Even then, like Al Qaeda, it's unlikely they will ever really be defeated. The removal of Saddam Hussein was one of the worst foreign policy/military decisions in this country's history and now we're going to have to pay the price for it. The only question the Obama administration needs to decide is how high that price will be. If there is no strategy yet it's because it hasn't been decided who will share in that burden with us and how.
No one could have predicted that ISIS would gain the traction it has and no one could have predicted that the Iraqi army would hand over vast swaths of their country without a fight. For example, no one foresaw 30,000 heavily armed and American trained Iraqi troops abandoning their posts and weaponry then fleeing from only 500 lightly armed terrorists on the outskirts of Mosul. There is only one possible even remotely effective course of action which I noted above and I'm glad we have a President who is going to think long and hard about it this time around instead of throwing resources and lives away without a plan. What we don't need is more war hawk knee-jerk reactionism.
I can see no basis for your strident denials of the obvious. Acceptance of your denial would mean that all the idiotic attacks on him are the result of logical, coherent thinking -- and that is quite a laugh when you hear some of these nutcases rant on the TV and radio, and read some of the missives published in print and on the internet :screwy
It is rare that one black man engenders so much hatred from so many white 'conservatives', but the reason for it is not. All I can say is that if so many so firmly rooted in the past hate him so passionately then he must represent social progress
Yeah, I have a different piece up with what the Obstacles are in Syria.
Seems BO wasn't so truthful about his not having plans.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/203469-us-arms-lebanon-fight-against-jihadists.html
Although.....I still don't get why he would give weapons to those who would just give them to Hezbollah.
Yeah, They're all Jayvees.If you are concerned, go to Europe and fight against their overthrow. I believe your statement is pure hyperbole.
He does this sort of thing between plans.
Well al Nusra already has taken the Quneitri Crossing.....and is in the Golan Heights. Also 6 rockets were fired from Syria and from the same region. Yet none have taken credit.
Which we have that up in the War on Terror Forum.
And what exactly is your master plan? Keep in mind it needs to be more detailed than: KILL EM ALL!
"Staying the **** out of it" IS a plan, and it's the plan most Americans want.
You mean he's going to actually think about what to do next? That's outrageous! Boy do I miss the days when we had a real American president who would take drastic, irreversible action that led to the death of many, many Americans without having to stop and consider alternative plans. Obama has proven himself incompetent here by refusing to put our military in harm's way at the drop of a hat because there are a lot of conservatives who hate him and see this (and anything else) as another reason to hate him more.
Yeah, I just read about the rebels in Golan and repelling the Filipino UN peacekeepers. That's getting dangerously close to Israel and they won't stand for those ISIL fighters one bit. They'll break out a whole case of "whoop-ass" and do the Meshuggina stomp.
He does this sort of thing between plans.
There's this kind of stupidity that's infected so many Americans because of the internet and the digital age. We expect immediate action in response to any drastic situation that's caused anger or outrage. Shirley Sherrod said something racist? She must be fired! ISIS is a major threat?! Bomb them sky high tomorrow!
The best course of action is considering all options and then doing the smart thing, not taking stupid but immediate action because there's some angry guy on the internet who's saying "won't somebody think of the children?!"
That 'power vacuum' occurred when Obama removed the troops and yes, what do we do now? BHO will probably start on a strategy when he returns from the fundraisers and wedding but how will any Allies react? I doubt that the military trusts him either.Marching across the Middle East and creating power vacuums that have given rise to militant Islamic groups seems the earlier problem and reason for the handwringing over what to do now that we've let ISIS out of the bag.
Heya Grant. :2wave: Yeah, I heard Hillary mention how he likes to wing it.
No, he want's you to think that inbetween putt's on the 13th hole, he is thinking about it...What he is doing in reality is inserting Special Forces in there that he hasn't told anyone about, and left our policy open to the same type of 'mission creep' that liberal presidents always do....They are typically indecisive, and get more of our young men and women killed in conflict than repub's do. And you fall for the BS every time...Congratulations.
Marching across the Middle East and creating power vacuums that have given rise to militant Islamic groups seems the earlier problem and reason for the handwringing over what to do now that we've let ISIS out of the bag.
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