Obama to give speech on Internet access in Iowa Wednesday

[Thrilla]

Educate yourself on what Net Neutrality is before you continue with your rantings and ravings.

well, i have already educated myself.. and my posts contains neither a rant nor a rave.

so .. umm.. yeah..... thanks for the response, i guess :roll:

 

[TheDemSocialist]

what an odd question in replay to my post....:roll:

Dont know how its an "odd question".....

 

[Thrilla]

Dont know how its an "odd question".....

because of all the things I said, you somehow honed in on wanting the identity of radicals.....

their identity is utterly irrelevant to the issue.

 

[CMPancake]

well, i have already educated myself.. and my posts contains neither a rant nor a rave.

so .. umm.. yeah..... thanks for the response, i guess :roll:

You continue to rant about misinformation to hate on Obama and net neutrality. That is ranting and raving to me.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

because of all the things I said, you somehow honed in on wanting the identity of radicals.....

their identity is utterly irrelevant to the issue.

Well when you say many things that are clear and obvious, like presidents lie, the FCC has final say, and that the end result is the only thing that matters.... I see no need to comment on the obvious...

 

[Thrilla]

Well when you say many things that are clear and obvious, like presidents lie, the FCC has final say, and that the end result is the only thing that matters.... I see no need to comment on the obvious...

a simple " agreed" would have sufficed then.

 

[Thrilla]

You continue to rant about misinformation to hate on Obama and net neutrality. That is ranting and raving to me.

I'm not interested in your personal definition of ranting and raving.... but here is your chance to be specific about what you believe is "misinformation"

go.

 

[CMPancake]

I'm not interested in your personal definition of ranting and raving.... but here is your chance to be specific about what you believe is "misinformation"

go.

If you insist.

Net neutrality is a separate issue to the government sponsored and supported narrowing of competition.

That isn't what Net Neutrality is.

net nuetrality is about forcing ISP's to treat all data as equal, regardless of whether they are equal or not.

All data is equal.

if ownership of the internet is such a concern here, why are we acting like the US govt owns it?

The government isn't attempting to own the Internet.

no the US govt is not trying to narrow competition.... they already succeeded.

The unregulated Telecom market has squeezed out ISP competition. Even Powerhouse companies like Google can barely get their foot in the door thanks to Time Warner/Comcast.

keep NN alive?.... i thought we didn't have NN yet?..

We've always had Net Neutrality. It isn't a new idea, but something that has always been. You were told this earlier but you chose to ignore it because you are dishonest.

we've been doing rather well without NN for all these years, and there's no evidence the behavior of telecoms who change dramatically)

We have seen Telecom companies throttling internet speeds on businesses like Netflix. You've been shown this but continue to ignore it because it doesn't fit your world view.

well, in his defense, Obama does lie .. a lot.

Rantings and ravings.

the independent FCC, as far as i can see, is trying to balance concerns of all involved parties... and that is not something Obama is known to be very good at.

Obama has reached across the aisle numerous times. Again your dishonesty shines brightly.

at the end of the day, i think we'll strike somewhat of a balance.... it won't be what our local NN supporters or detractors want, though... the radicals will be disappointed, as they usually are.

The only radicals are the Telecom companies and hacks like Ted Cruz who have you convinced that Net Neutrality is this evil Obama creation to control the internet. More ranting and ravings when you have proven to know nothing of the subject.

either war, the internet won't die if NN isn't adopted... and it won't die if it is.
the only that that will die is the incessant whining of radicals.... hopefully.

See what I mean from you literally having no clue what you're talking about?

 

[Thrilla]

If you support the internet now as we know it and dont support net neutrality and the Presidents opinion, then you are pretty much in favor a slower, less efficient, less free internet.

that's not true at all.

 

[Thrilla]

If you insist.

I do

That isn't what Net Neutrality is.

well, that wasn't offered as a definition of net nuetrality.. so .. umm.. ok.

All data is equal.

in your opinion.... other do not share that opinion.( myself included)
data flow is already managed by the ISP's.. they have no choice but to manage data flow in order to deliver satisfactory performance to everybody.
NN regulations can possibly downgrade service performance by disallowing data flow management

The government isn't attempting to own the Internet.

nah, they are simply exerting command authority over the physical assets owned by the ISPs

The unregulated Telecom market has squeezed out ISP competition. Even Powerhouse companies like Google can barely get their foot in the door thanks to Time Warner/Comcast.

the telecom industry is very very far from being unregulated.... it's absolutely absurd to call it unregulated.
regardless of your personal opinion, no single provider comes close to having a majority market share ( the largest is comcast, at 25%).. despite your argument ot the contrary, there is competition within that market... it is not a monopoly.
I will agree that more competition is preferable, but your absurd arguments are simply false.

We've always had Net Neutrality. It isn't a new idea, but something that has always been. You were told this earlier but you chose to ignore it because you are dishonest.

I know we've always had an open internet ( which is different from a neutral internet, btw)... the failure is on the part of radicals like yoruself who insist that new strict regualtions are necessary or the world will ****ing collapses or some such.
i've given you no real reason to be an asshole up til now... but **** you very much, i have no reason to treat you with any civility now

We have seen Telecom companies throttling internet speeds on businesses like Netflix. You've been shown this but continue to ignore it because it doesn't fit your world view.

yes.. netflix should be throttled... their products demands more from the provider... the provider has no choice but to manage data flow... if they want their data to be prioritized above other data, they oughta pay for it ( the idea of paying more for getting more seems to be ****ing lost on you)
radicals like you like to pretend that all data is equal and no data should be managed by the ****ing people whose job it is to manage the flow on the ****ing networks they own.... oh, and of course, all this should be provided for low low prices... as if the networks these guys built were built for free.

Rantings and ravings.

nope, it's called truth... if you are going to argue that Obama has not lied.. good luck with that, i'd like to be there so i can laugh at such idoicy.

Obama has reached across the aisle numerous times. Again your dishonesty shines brightly.

:lamo.. I see we have a true Obama sycophant....my oh my.. oh what fun

The only radicals are the Telecom companies and hacks like Ted Cruz who have you convinced that Net Neutrality is this evil Obama creation to control the internet. More ranting and ravings when you have proven to know nothing of the subject.

agreed... Cruz is also a radical on the matter... he's your counterpart.

you shouldn't get so upset when it's pointed out that Obama lies....yes, we both know that's what turned you into an asshole here.... but suck it up sister, you being an asshole isn't going to change my opinions of anything... it only serves to **** up what could otherwise be a decent conversation.


DemoSoc.. you wanted to know who the radicals are... well.. here one for you right here.
this cat is focused on one single side of the issue.. he has no patience for opposing arguments... and he won't budge a inch.
that's a radical.

See what I mean from you literally having no clue what you're talking about?

oh, I understand alright...like every other radical asshole around here.. not agreeing with you means I don't know what i'm talking about... I've understood such absurd bull**** for years and years of debating online

 

[Fruityfact]

oh, I understand alright...like every other radical asshole around here.. not agreeing with you means I don't know what i'm talking about... I've understood such absurd bull**** for years and years of debating online

Go home.

 

[Thrilla]

Go home.

ok, i'm here.. what now?

 

[CMPancake]

well, that wasn't offered as a definition of net nuetrality.. so .. umm.. ok.

That is what you clearly think Net Neutrality is. Those were your words.

in your opinion.... other do not share that opinion.( myself included)
data flow is already managed by the ISP's.. they have no choice but to manage data flow in order to deliver satisfactory performance to everybody.

The only issue with streaming and bandwidth is on the end of the ISP's who are shortchanging American's because they can get away with it. Internet service here is worse than across dozens of other modernized nations like Japan, England, and France. Charging American's more money for the same service is total bull****.

NN regulations can possibly downgrade service performance by disallowing data flow management

You again show a complete lack of insight to what Net Neutrality is. Net Neutrality has been around for as long as the Internet has been a thing. At least learn about what you're talking about before you start lying about it.

nah, they are simply exerting command authority over the physical assets owned by the ISPs

For the last time, no one owns the internet. It doesn't belong to Comcast anymore than it belongs to you, me, Al Gore or the Government. No one has any legal right to charge higher prices to get same access to the internet as someone else. Quit being so dishonest.

the telecom industry is very very far from being unregulated.... it's absolutely absurd to call it unregulated.

How so? Telecom is able to smother out any sense of competition in Google Fiber. Have you ever tried to cancel your Internet service because you're paying too much for a poor service? Telecom and ISP's are currently out of control and because you're trying to hide from this fact either proves your dishonest, or that you're ignorant on the subject. Which is it, Thrilla?

regardless of your personal opinion, no single provider comes close to having a majority market share ( the largest is comcast, at 25%).. despite your argument ot the contrary, there is competition within that market... it is not a monopoly.

Name an ISP that even matches Comcast/Time Warner? Almost two thirds of Americans have Time Warner/Comcast as their ISP. How is that not a monopoly?

 

[CMPancake]

I will agree that more competition is preferable, but your absurd arguments are simply false.

Says the ignorant and dishonest liar.

I know we've always had an open internet ( which is different from a neutral internet, btw)...

None of this makes any sense. Stop trying to talk about the Internet like you actually understand. There's no point in trying to double down on your dishonesty and ignorance when I've caught you red-handed.

the failure is on the part of radicals like yoruself who insist that new strict regualtions are necessary or the world will ****ing collapses or some such.

Strict regulations? What the **** are you talking about? I want ISP's to not charge me, you, and everyone else more money for the same internet service. Stop talking out of your ass.

i've given you no real reason to be an asshole up til now... but **** you very much, i have no reason to treat you with any civility now

You've been civil to me? Sorry, but I have no patience for liars and crooks. I would engage in a civil conversation with you if you haven't proven how little you know of the situation and shown how often you lie to validate your ignorance.

yes.. netflix should be throttled... their products demands more from the provider... the provider has no choice but to manage data flow... if they want their data to be prioritized above other data, they oughta pay for it ( the idea of paying more for getting more seems to be ****ing lost on you)
radicals like you like to pretend that all data is equal and no data should be managed by the ****ing people whose job it is to manage the flow on the ****ing networks they own.... oh, and of course, all this should be provided for low low prices... as if the networks these guys built were built for free.

Except companies like Netflix already pay millions into ISP's. They shouldn't get charged more money for using the services that they already pay for. Quit being absurd.

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DemoSoc.. you wanted to know who the radicals are... well.. here one for you right here.
this cat is focused on one single side of the issue.. he has no patience for opposing arguments... and he won't budge a inch.
that's a radical.

I have no time for liars. If you showed a shred of honesty you might not be getting called a liar.

 

[iguanaman]

the "internet" may not be property, but somebody own all the hardware and physical network assets.. someone paid tons of money to provide these networks...
nobody spends billions of dollars to NOT have claim to that property.




Net neutrality is a separate issue to the government sponsored and supported narrowing of competition.

net nuetrality is about forcing ISP's to treat all data as equal, regardless of whether they are equal or not.

A just how is giving monopolies what they want going to help us? It is absurd to think so. We need to break up monopolies not appease them.

 

[Thrilla]

A just how is giving monopolies what they want going to help us? It is absurd to think so. We need to break up monopolies not appease them.

false premise.... there are no monopolies.

 

[Thrilla]

....Snipped out all the insults and assholishness....

no use in me responding... you are already solid in your position, despite there being no wide agreement among even the experts.
and for some odd reason, it's become personal with you.( radicalism does that to people)

i'll go chat with adults now,
have a good evening.

 

[CMPancake]

no use in me responding... you are already solid in your position, despite there being no wide agreement among even the experts.

Experts? Who are these experts that your going on about? Experts of what, the Internet? Is there no end to your dishonesty?

and for some odd reason, it's become personal with you.( radicalism does that to people)

It's personal to me because I pay my bills. If you had any honest bone in your body you would agree that the last thing you want is for your internet bill to go up for absolutely no reason other than Telecom wanting more money.

i'll go chat with adults now,
have a good evening.

Good luck, everyone already knows you're a hack.

 

[iguanaman]

false premise.... there are no monopolies.

Really? I'de like to change my broadband provider from Comcast then. Who should I call?

 

[whysoserious]

Why should I bother? You think Obamas gonna cone out with something that works. An idea that will actually be as he says, that ebil bidness needs to be contained by a benevolent government run by ppl that actually care about you or the results of thier actions.

Because you're on a ****ing debate board. If you're not going to actually debate, then what the **** are you doing here?

 

[whysoserious]

Why should I bother? You think Obamas gonna cone out with something that works. An idea that will actually be as he says, that ebil bidness needs to be contained by a benevolent government run by ppl that actually care about you or the results of thier actions.

So are you going to talk about this honestly or are we done here?

 

[Renae]

None of these lying strawman has anything to do with this thread--so thanks for playing .

Actually Nimby, they do even if you will NEVER admit it. President Obama has been caught, red handed lying about big things like for instance the ACA. Now he's gonna give a big speech about the great new proposal/government action that's gonna keep the internet safe!

He said it's time to stop fighting, he turns around and sends more troops.
He says you can keep your doctor, keep your insurance knowing the WHOLE time that was a lie.
He says there is a red line on chemical weapons... except there really wasn't....

It's a trend, it's a strawman if you twist a few things for political gain. It's another to be caught repeatedly in outright lies.

Only the blind sheep follow this Shepard anymore.

 

[Renae]

So are you going to talk about this honestly or are we done here?

Talk honestly? OH MAN you crack me the **** up dude.

There is no competition in the telecommunications industry:

1) Controlled by an oligarchy
2) Inelastic product
3) Insurmountable barriers to entry

I'm sorry, MrVicchio, but even you have to admit this is not a "free market" situation. Not to mention, NN is hardly regulation. It would require no new new agency or funding to monitor, as it would be enforced by end users and law suits. It's literally the easiest, most-perfect solution.

1. Nope, that's the misguided opinion of an uninformed person spewing talking points from a NY Times editorial. The reality is that the infrastructure to lay down to every home, to upkeep it, maintain it costs money. Why should TWC or ATT let someone use their equipment?
2. Inelastic Product? What? Hello, you ever hear of something called "Google Fiber"? It's scaring the crap out of the big telecoms. Here in San Antonio there is a small outfit called "GVTC" that offers gigabit internet for cheaper then TW, and has forced TW to drop pricing and increase speeds. This is you not getting that.
3. Insurmountable my ass. It's expensive? Yep. Google is doing it, there are ISP's all over America finding untapped markets. See 1 for why you are dishonest, uninformed and just STRAIGHT WRONG.


When you have more then political mularky to bring to the table, call me, till then we ARE done.

 

[Renae]

Well you havent or MrVicchio brought up anything of substance, Comrade.

Actually I have, you just cant square economic reality with political theory.

 

[Renae]

So pretty much its, "I just dont like Obama".

No, pretty much I don't want GOVERNMENT solving a non-problem and ****ing up the internet.