There's nothing unclear about what he said ... if you actually reall all the words. Not reading all the words is apparently a right-brain problem.
Chicken and egg, chicken and egg, chicken and egg.
Almost every individual effort is shaped in part by environmental conditions which were likely shaped in part due to individual efforts which....on and on.
As I said to a few friends on email...the funny thing is…he’s right, but he’s wrong as well. The reality is, often, success is a mixture of environment/community and the individual. Sometimes environment almost alone can spur it…sometimes the individual almost on their own can do it, but usually it’s a mix. The difference is…and it’s so interesting reading it because it’s often a great dichotomy between the two parties…is which of those two ingredients do you choose to highlight, promote, and give adulation to and which do you downplay or degrade or write off.
Obama chooses to highlight and promote the community while devaluing and downplaying the individual. Traditionally, Republicans hype up the individual while downplaying the community. What becomes interesting is which of the two arguments will win over the fickle American people this time around.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help," Obama said on Friday. "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Is this the latest Leftist talking point? How many times has this been used in this thread?
Without consumer demand. If a business owner meets that demand, he purdy much did that on his own.
Maybe someone else has posted some of the rest of his speech, but here's the line, "You didn't build that."
Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News
I don't have that much of a problem with what he said; although his writers should have phrased it differently. In his speech, Obama put the credit for building a successful business on "the system." That's a bit of a stretch.
"It must be because I was so smart," he said, discounting the entrepreneur. "It must be because I work harder than everybody else," again discounting the amazing perseverance, talent and guts it takes to build a successful business.
Successful business builders are smarter than the average bear. They do work harder than most. They make sacrifices others aren't willing to make. To short-change entrepreneurship in the name of, "We want to pay more in taxes," is disingenuous at best.
I built a very successful business. I did it in spite of sometimes onerous government regulation. Did my government give me roads?? Well, duh.
He put credit on the government, as the main weath and job creator and he's way off base with those remarks.
The government can't create jobs, nor can it create wealth.
We live in a society of 311 million people. Nobody does anything of that sort of substance on their own.
Really - who in the heck built Hoover Dam and the TVA?
Really - who in the heck built Hoover Dam and the TVA?
The taxpayer. Stupid question.Really - who in the heck built Hoover Dam and the TVA?
Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners. It is a joint partnership between the consumer and the owner.
I've known a few people that have worked their asses off, but their business never got off the ground due to not enough consumers. Just because the business owners are hard working does not mean they will have a good business, they NEED consumers as well.
.You can't have a successful business without the owners AND the consumer
What's so hard to comprehend? In fact he even emphasized it by saying "The point is..."
Maybe someone else has posted some of the rest of his speech, but here's the line, "You didn't build that."
Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News
I don't have that much of a problem with what he said; although his writers should have phrased it differently. In his speech, Obama put the credit for building a successful business on "the system." That's a bit of a stretch.
"It must be because I was so smart," he said, discounting the entrepreneur. "It must be because I work harder than everybody else," again discounting the amazing perseverance, talent and guts it takes to build a successful business.
Successful business builders are smarter than the average bear. They do work harder than most. They make sacrifices others aren't willing to make. To short-change entrepreneurship in the name of, "We want to pay more in taxes," is disingenuous at best.
I built a very successful business. I did it in spite of sometimes onerous government regulation. Did my government give me roads?? Well, duh.
Edit: Now I know where Haymarket gets his talking points. This is his mantra as well. Party line. Sorry, Hay.
Maybe someone else has posted some of the rest of his speech, but here's the line, "You didn't build that."
Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News
I don't have that much of a problem with what he said; although his writers should have phrased it differently. In his speech, Obama put the credit for building a successful business on "the system." That's a bit of a stretch.
"It must be because I was so smart," he said, discounting the entrepreneur. "It must be because I work harder than everybody else," again discounting the amazing perseverance, talent and guts it takes to build a successful business.
Successful business builders are smarter than the average bear. They do work harder than most. They make sacrifices others aren't willing to make. To short-change entrepreneurship in the name of, "We want to pay more in taxes," is disingenuous at best.
I built a very successful business. I did it in spite of sometimes onerous government regulation. Did my government give me roads?? Well, duh.
Edit: Now I know where Haymarket gets his talking points. This is his mantra as well. Party line. Sorry, Hay.
95% of small businesses in the US are in one of 3 states. . .
1) Failed (Chapter 7/11/13 filing)
2) About to fail
3) Barely surviving
Truthfully, what the government does or doesn't do has little impact on a business' long-term survival. Ultimately, it's the businesses' management (or owners) that make or break it.
Any business owner who blames Obama for his business failing, therefore, is dumb.
So if we just waited, businesses would build it themselves, right? Because they're usually about throwing around money and profits.
So if we just waited, businesses would build it themselves, right? Because they're usually about throwing around money and profits.
Yep, I'm sure they would have all gotten together and pooled their resources -- maybe even agreeing to some kind of assessment on profits, and formed a group to collect the assessments, and other groups to contract out the work and oversee the construction, and then perhaps they'd have agreed to additional assessments to pay for maintenance and expansion.... Hmm, I think that's what we call government and taxes.
Do you think this was a prepared speech? I had just assumed this was a more impromptu, off the cuff statement. If it was prepared in advance... if he let it go through like that... that's even worse.[/QUOTE
I'm pretty sure you can take this to the bank: Obama never gives an off-the-cuff statement.
95% of small businesses in the US are in one of 3 states. . .
1) Failed (Chapter 7/11/13 filing)
2) About to fail
3) Barely surviving
Truthfully, what the government does or doesn't do has little impact on a business' long-term survival. Ultimately, it's the businesses' management (or owners) that make or break it.
Any business owner who blames Obama for his business failing, therefore, is dumb.
I think many, if not most, businesses succeed despite onerous government interference.
So if we just waited, businesses would build it themselves, right? Because they're usually about throwing around money and profits.
If he'd flunked out, I'm sure he would have shouldered that blame all on his own.
I have a friend, a woman, who came from such dire proverty, I'm not talking no air conditioning proverty, I'm talking no inside bathroom and leaking roof proverty. The house would have been condemed if anyone had found them living in these conditions.
This lady and all her sisters decided they were not going to go out in the same conditions. She got a job as a drugstore clerk as soon as she could work. Graduated from HS went to work fulltime and college at night. She graduated from college after 10 years of working fulltime and going to school, that she paid for. One of the reasons it took her so long, because she is/was smart, was she worked for the USPS and while working drove her little car under a bus. She was in the hospital for 2 months in traction for multiple breaks in one leg. Took her sometime to get back on her feet, literally. She had to drop out in her senior year due to the bills and injury. She went back to finish 2 years later.
She started her own accounting business with her friend. She is doing well now due to her hard work. She works from January to April, every year, 7 days a week 12-14 hours a day. She has 5 employees and pays for their HC and a fair wage.
This lady built her business stick by stick, her own hard work and something "special" in her that drove her to succeed. Without this something "special" in her first, it wouldn't matter what the community or the govt "did", she is the reason that she succeeded.
Well, if some guy/gal didn't put in a lot of hard work to get a business going, the government wouldn't have done it in their place. Seems to me that without the entrepenuer, there is no business. The same can not be said about the government.
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