alphamale
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He has always spoken his mind, and it did not matter if it was with Democrats, or Republicans, but now he has attacked the "Golden boy" the token black super Senator of the future.
I just let the forum members see the facts and past history...Anyone can draw their own conclusions...aps said:Of course you were right, cnredd. You are always right. :lamo
We'll let the forum members decide...whaddya think folks?...Does this sound like the "unfurling of claws" to you?...aps said:I love it. My one comment about McCain's letter is indicative of my unfurling my claws. Okaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
aps said:Wow. This makes me see John McCain in a different light. When the republicans did their little whisper campaign against McCain, saying that he was an angry person as a result of his captivity, I was disgusted. But maybe there is a little truth to this. I see an angry, vindictive person. He publicized this letter? For what purpose? To show what a tough guy he is? I think he showed what an a$$ he is. "Hey, look at me. I am reprimanding Obama because he is a backstabbing democrat."
Nice. Real nice, Senator McCain.
You're not the first one to make this claim...and you won't be the last...aps said:Frankly, I find your assessments to be pathetic, and I don't mean that to be mean--I mean it because it's true.
I've actually explained my name in detail...That was Post #2...here's how you responded in Post #6...aps said:You're a very angry person, cnredd. No wonder your name is what it is. Your anger blinds you to real facts. Your assessment of me is so ridiculous, I actually feel sorry for you.
I was under the assumption that since there were only three responses when you said that, I would fall under the catagory of "These"...aps said:Wow. These are fantastic!
cnredd said:We'll let the forum members decide...whaddya think folks?...Does this sound like the "unfurling of claws" to you?...
Most mammals attack when they feel trapped...:shrug:
Deegan said:This is who McCain is, why is anyone surprised by this?
He has always spoken his mind, and it did not matter if it was with Democrats, or Republicans, but now he has attacked the "Golden boy" the token black super Senator of the future. This will probably be turned in to a race issue now, just hide and watch. I thank McCain for bringing this to all of our attention, it needed to be said, politicians are playing politics with important issues, and this hurts the people, and we are supposed to be their bosses, they are supposed to serve us!
alphamale said:Obama is indeed the liberal establishment's darling - it took them 3 months to settle down from their gushing after he got elected in the state with the most pathetic dysfunctional republican party. He was heralded as some thing fresh and new - in fact his record shows he is nothing but one more big government democrat. Before him the fake minority media star du jour was Harold Ford, the black congressman from Tennessee, and before that Jesse Jackson.
hipsterdufus said:McCain's lobbying reform bill is incredibly toothless compared to the Democrats "Honest Leadership Act." And McCain's Indian Affairs Committee investigation of Jack Abramoff won't get close to Republicans: including Tom DeLay.
Hey look!...TwoPops4Sure said:Obama didn't backstab this blowhard. He told him exactly what he thought of his weak bullshit proposal, and wrote a memo in follow up. There could be no misunderstanding here. This was not a Pearl Harbor. This was a junior Senator informing Mr. McCain that his idea of "bipartisan" proposal was going to have to include the other party for a change. That weak half measures on slow tracks through task forces don't substitute for solidly focused legislation drafted by the appropriate committee. This is easily discernable by a simple read of the letters exchanged. Senator Blowhard was loathe to have his rightful title of Mr. Reform taken from him by some uppity Democrat that he couldn't keep on the "plantation". If McCain had been anything more than lip service, we wouldn't have to address these ethics and reform issues again. But then between Keating and him drinking at the trough of the Cablevision lobby, I look forward to seeing McCain fall once again on his own petard.
If I were Obama, I'd come out swinging at this idiot and expose him for the angry self important partisan hack that he is. But then, unlike me, Obama is an astute politician aspiring for higher office. As for me, I could care less about friends and influence when I'm talking to the elephants.
TwoPops
cnredd said:Hey look!...
Another Liberal attacking McCain....
And to think that just a week ago he was such a darling...:roll:
I like the irony of calling McCain an "angry self important partisan hack" when the whole issue of the letter pertains to Barack being an "angry self important partisan hack"...
It would be a lot easier to stand up and take the lollipop out and say, "No you ARE!"...
Baloney... Obama is Senator because a partisan newspaper sued for access to Jack Ryan's SEALED divorce papers. The Illinois Democratic party will stop at nothing to win elections.He's well qualified to be a US Senator and was elected based on the vote of all of his constituency.
Perhaps we can borrow some "sheets" from Byrd.its a wonder the party isn't looking for a volume deal to get their sheets done.
Do you mean the Keating scandal in which McCain was included as a token Republican so the the scandal wouldn't be viewed as a Democrat scandal?But then between Keating
easyt65 said:not that it means much, but in regards to it being a joke - it's on the Drudge page...so it might be true.
Gill said:Baloney... Obama is Senator because a partisan newspaper sued for access to Jack Ryan's SEALED divorce papers. The Illinois Democratic party will stop at nothing to win elections.
JOHNYJ said:One has to remember that the biggest Planntation in America. Is the black membership of the democrat party who vote 96% for any democrat. The democrats keep them poor ,beholding, and needy and they intend to keep them that way.Well they also need overseers for these people so they allow a small amount to succed, some what .So they can keep the rest of their people in line.
Thats the senator from Illinois.
His original promises to senator Mc Cain were an aberation ,he was thinkingfor himself something he isnt sapose to do.
Are you joking? Are you from Illinois, or were you there at ANY point in time during the campaign? It was NEVER gonna be anywhere close. Jack Ryan had already been caught up in scandals including hiring a camera man to follow Obama around all of the time in hopes that he ****ed up at some point, not to mention that Illinois is very firmly a blue state.Gill said:Baloney... Obama is Senator because a partisan newspaper sued for access to Jack Ryan's SEALED divorce papers. The Illinois Democratic party will stop at nothing to win elections.
clever, got anything else from 60 years ago you wanna talk about?:roll:Perhaps we can borrow some "sheets" from Byrd.
cnredd said:Hey look!...
Another Liberal attacking McCain....
And to think that just a week ago he was such a darling...:roll:
I like the irony of calling McCain an "angry self important partisan hack" when the whole issue of the letter pertains to Barack being an "angry self important partisan hack"...
It would be a lot easier to stand up and take the lollipop out and say, "No you ARE!"...
JOHNYJ said:One has to remember that the biggest Planntation in America. Is the black membership of the democrat party who vote 96% for any democrat. The democrats keep them poor ,beholding, and needy and they intend to keep them that way.Well they also need overseers for these people so they allow a small amount to succed, some what .So they can keep the rest of their people in line.
Thats the senator from Illinois.
His original promises to senator Mc Cain were an aberation ,he was thinkingfor himself something he isnt sapose to do.
TwoPops4Sure said:NO. I think you have to keep repeating this ridiculous horse dung while worrying about next month's mortgage payment for the trailer. I'm a democrat, I'm independently wealthy and I know nothing about democratic policies that encouraged me to remain on a plantation. To the contrary. I remember democratic lead efforts throughout the 60's and 70's that fought for black folks rights to leave the plantation. I remember Republican policies that to this day would have preferred I remain put. I would have been proud to be an Eisenhower Republican. There were many black folks who were republican prior to the 64 civil rights bill. Party' took stances. The Republicans chose anti-black/minority civil rights stance. As a person of color I align with ideology. I am unable to find any national statement or party plank that advocates for civil rights of minorities. I am able to find plenty of thinking that it is the party to preserve white priviledge.
Moreover, I'm still in awe of poor white folks who vote Republican. Hell, if you're gonna vote for somebody at least vote for someone who at least pretends to give a **** about you. But you poor bastards are so busy race hating you can't see that the overarching issue is really one of class, race notwithstanding. Too dumb to know the difference between payroll and investment taxes, nor the difference between having a little bit and whole lot.
TwoPops
galenrox said:I know a lot of people who know Obama personally, and I know for a fact that he sincerely does want to eliminate corruption over partisan gain.
That being said, I can also understand where McCaine is coming from. It seems he took certain things that Obama called for as accusations that no one was doing anything, which, from what I can tell, couldn't be further from the truth. Throughout the course of my politically conscious life McCaine has repeatedly proven himself to be a man of integrity, and that should not be forgotten.
But let's not forget that McCaine is a prominent republican and Obama is a prominent democrat, and both of them care where their party is going. I think there is a lot of integrity and sincere hope for change on both sides, but there is also a fair amount of posturing on both sides, since what's bad for Obama is good for McCaine, and vice versa.
We can't pretend that either of them is acting a-politically, because that would be naive at best.
Blue Collar Joe said:I don't think McCain was out to play politics. One reason he has those on the republican ticket that don't care for him is he goes his own way. He is a moderate conservative, and votes what he feels is right, not what his party says is right.
Unfortunately, too many on both sides toe the party line and don't give a rats ass about the American people, only their political agenda's and whatever special interest group is puckered up at the moment.
I'm glad he released the letter. Obama made a big deal out of signing the moral contract with his fellow dem's. Now? Well, hey, he made a public move. Now he is shifting behind the scenes to avoid actually having to do anything.
TwoPops4Sure said:Some balanced commentary for a change. I've never been fully sold on McCain. He' taken some shots from his own side and pretty much kissed ass against principle just like the rest of the good ole boys. I admire his stand on torture, just as I admire Jack Murtha's stand on Iraq, despite not being as conservative as either of these people. McCains letter in response in my estimation was over the top posturing and is unbecoming of someone of his stature. I would have expected that from some young hothead, not McCain. But he has reopened the line of questioning about his temperment as a result, even though his real motive was to smear Obama. If I were Obama, I would have shot back a little harder.
I would expose the system for what it is. A nonresponsive quagmire created by partisan self interest. The business of the people is not paramount and McCain IMHO is phony in suggesting that it is.
TwoPops
hipsterdufus said:And exactly how do the Dem's keep the blacks "
poor, beholding (sic) and needy"?
Under Bush, the poverty rate has risen each year since 2001, with 12.7 percent of the population now living in poverty. African-American poverty has risen from 22.7 percent in 2001 to 24.7 percent in 2004, and child poverty has gone from 16.3 percent in 2001 to 17.8 percent (1.3 million children under the age of 18).
US Census Bureau: Aug 2005 Table B-1
http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p60-229.pdf
page 53 of pdf
Well it's obviously subjective, considering that there's a relatively arbitrary line, but how does it not symbolize anything?RightatNYU said:You do realize that the "poverty rate" is a construct, right? It doesn't actually symbolize anything, and is incredibly susceptible to manipulation.
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