Obama says time for debating health care is over

[Goobieman]

Obama says time for debating health care is over

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama says the time has come to pass legislation overhauling the health care system, asserting that "every argument has been made."

Speaking at the White House Wednesday, Obama said "now is the time to make a decision about how to finally reform health care so that it works" for individuals and businesses. The president cited wide-ranging arguments for and against it and confronted head-on the accusation by critics that he has been pushing a government takeover of the system.

Obama said while many other countries have such a system, "in America, it would be neither practical nor realistic." He also said he doesn't think "we should give government bureaucrats or insurance company bureaucrats more control over health care in America."

Obama says time for debating health care is over

Wow. Such petulance.
I suppose that when someone dares disagree, He will then respond with the classic "nuh uh!" defense.

 

[Gibberish]

Obama says time for debating health care is over

Wow. Such petulance.
I suppose that when someone dares disagree, He will then respond with the classic "nuh uh!" defense.

With over a year of debate and no new arguments I would agree that it's time to move to the next step.

I hope the next step is defeating this horrible Universal Health care plan once and for all.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

So long as the "next step" is a vote that doesn't pass, yes, then it's time to take that step.

Obama doesn't what a "health care bill" that works, he wants a health care bill he can sign, so he can say he's passed a health care bill. What he most certainly doesn't want is a health care bill that we need, which is a bill that reduces government involvement in health care.

 

[liblady]

With over a year of debate and no new arguments I would agree that it's time to move to the next step.

I hope the next step is defeating this horrible Universal Health care plan once and for all.

wait, universal health plan? that's in the bill?

 

[liblady]

So long as the "next step" is a vote that doesn't pass, yes, then it's time to take that step.

Obama doesn't what a "health care bill" that works, he wants a health care bill he can sign, so he can say he's passed a health care bill. What he most certainly doesn't want is a health care bill that we need, which is a bill that reduces government involvement in health care.

and how would that bill read?

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

and how would that bill read?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

....

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people..."


I guess the first part of the bill would be the admission that the federal government simply does not have authority to play MessiahCare Games.

Maturity like that is hard to come by, though.

 

[liblady]

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

....

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people..."


I guess the first part of the bill would be the admission that the federal government simply does not have authority to play MessiahCare Games.

Maturity like that is hard to come by, though.

i guess that's your opinion, isn't it? not mine, however.

 

[Deuce]

Obama says time for debating health care is over

Wow. Such petulance.
I suppose that when someone dares disagree, He will then respond with the classic "nuh uh!" defense.

How long have they been at this? After this latest round they even incorporated more Republican ideas, not that they'll get any votes for the effort.

 

[liblady]

How long have they been at this? After this latest round they even incorporated more Republican ideas, not that they'll get any votes for the effort.

petulance my ass.......he's pissed and should be. at this point, he should be taking names.

 

[Ockham]

petulance my ass.......he's pissed and should be. at this point, he should be taking names.

Yes, how dare they question the messiah. Off with their heads.... right? Never learn and keep making the same mistakes over and over.

 

[Goobieman]

petulance my ass.......he's pissed and should be. at this point, he should be taking names.

Pissed.... because the representatives of the American people are listeing to the American people?

THAT speaks volumes.

 

[LaMidRighter]

Pissed.... because the representatives of the American people are listeing to the American people?

THAT speaks volumes.

More like pissed because much like a spoiled child he may not get his way.

 

[Jaaaman]

Pissed.... because the representatives of the American people are listeing to the American people?

THAT speaks volumes.

Thank you.

 

[Goobieman]

Thank you.

Like I said -- petulance.

 

[liblady]

Pissed.... because the representatives of the American people are listeing to the American people?

THAT speaks volumes.

oh, but they are not listening. americans want reform, and americans want the parties to work together to achieve that reform.

 

[LaMidRighter]

oh, but they are not listening. americans want reform, and americans want the parties to work together to achieve that reform.

This bill has nothing to do with reform, and won't accomplish it in any meaningful way, plus over 60% of our country wants the bill scrapped and reworked from scratch. So no......they aren't listening.

 

[Bassman]

oh, but they are not listening. americans want reform, and americans want the parties to work together to achieve that reform.

What you want is for Conservatives to shut the f*ck up or kowtow to the radical Leftism that is Obama and all Democrats in the US. that is the Liberals' definition of "bipartisanship".

 

[Catawba]

After a year of wasted time and effort, Obama's original intentions for bipartisan support, while good intentioned, has proven to be a failed strategy. Obama and the Democrats have a mandate through their election to office in 2006 and 2008 to provide reform to our skyrocketing medical costs and insurance systems, both private and public. It is time for the Democrats to get things passed just the way the Republicans did when they held the majority.

"Families USA released a special report documenting previous support for the reconciliation process by past Republican leaders as well as Republican leaders currently serving. Given their latest course of attack, it's pretty shocking. Not only has the reconciliation process been used to enact major, consequential laws such as welfare reform, but since it was enacted in 1980, 19 reconciliation bills have been enacted into law. Of those 19 bills, 14 of them were signed by Republican Presidents. Further, current Republican leaders have consistently voted for - and supported - reconciliation bills. According to the report, several of the current leading Congressional Republicans, like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl have voted for reconciliation bills numerous times in their past.

But what pokes even more holes in the Republican's argument is that not only has reconciliation been used by Republicans numerous times in the past, but it has been used on health care legislation many times before. The reconciliation process was used to create COBRA, the law that helps you keep your employer's insurance after you leave your job. According to Sara Rosenbaum, who chairs the Department of Health Policy at George Washington University:

"The correct name [for COBRA] is continuation benefits. And the only reason it's called COBRA is because it was contained in the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985; and that is how we came up with the name COBRA, COBRA..., was actually a much larger bill."

But COBRA wasn't the only health care legislation passed through the reconciliation process. Reconciliation was used to expand insurance coverage for low-income children as well as to make several major changes to Medicare. So it's hard to agree when Republicans claim that the reconciliation process has never been used on such major or expansive health care legislation like the health reform bill, because-simply put-it has. According to Sara Rosenbaum:

"[L]iterally we've changed everything about insurance coverage for children and families, and we've changed access to health care all across the United States all as a result of reconciliation."

Regardless of what lies and misinformation the opposition wants to continue to throw out, the bottom line is that it's time to finish health reform. As President Obama stated in his Saturday radio address:

"The tens of millions of men and women who cannot afford their health insurance cannot wait another generation for us to act. Small businesses cannot wait. Americans with pre-existing conditions cannot wait...It is time for those of us in Washington to live up to our responsibilities to the American people and to future generations."

If reconciliation is the way for them to bring affordable, quality health care to all Americans, then it sounds good to us."
Special Report: Reconciliation and the right | Stand Up For Health Care

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

i guess that's your opinion, isn't it? not mine, however.

Taht's because you're wrong.

Here's a Useful Hint for you: when you're finding that you have to lie about what the phrase "general welfare" means to pass everything from Socialist Security to Farm subsidies to the National Endowment for the Arts, you're lying to yourself, not us.

We already know you're wrong.

if you can't find an explicit mention of the federal government financing health care in Article I, Setion 8, and you can't, then the Tenth Amendment forbids it.

That's what the Constitution is for, to put limits on government.

 

[Moon]

petulance my ass.......he's pissed and should be. at this point, he should be taking names.

At this point, he should be looking for a way out that doesn't make him look completely ineffectual, although that ship may have already sailed.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

petulance my ass.......he's pissed and should be. at this point, he should be taking names.

What's His Holiness angry about? That his own party, which completely dominates the Legislative Branch in a way not seen for forty years, can't pass a bill? Who's he pissed at, His own party, or the Republican's who can't stop it, or the large large majority of Americans who've had enough time to see the charade and don't want any part of what the Messiah is trying to pull, or Himself, for being a dumb-**** community organizer who lacks the experience and maturity the job of President requires?

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

oh, but they are not listening. americans want reform, and americans want the parties to work together to achieve that reform.

Reform is one thing.

The reforms needed ARE NOT what the Messiah and His Angels (the Democrats) are offering.

Socialism isn't wanted, needed, effective, desirable, or constitutional.

 

[The Prof]

after massachusetts even obtuse obama saw he was no go

to try to move his signature issue he scheduled his stupid health care summit

unfortunately, it changed nothing

which, in the context of a vehicle STUCK in MUD, actively injures obama

the point---after the stupid summit, president putz had THREE options

1. go nuke

2. go skinny

3. go gimmicks

the point---in 3 short days, he's tried all 3

just yesterday, obama and pelosi both announced they were going to do a "much smaller proposal"

Obama said poised to offer more healthcare changes | Reuters

and today, the big te deum---he's gonna incorporate FOUR gop ideas

!!!

and THEY are:

1. doctor coburn's call for undercover patients to rat out medicare fraud

2. FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS CASH (LOL!) to STUDY tort reform

3. check the cornhusker kickback

4. eighty six the "gator aid" exemption for BILL nelson's florida from the rest of the nation's zeroing out of medicare advantage

President Obama to Say Democrats Will Use Reconciliation to Pass Senate Health Care Reform Fix, If Not Given Up or Down Vote - Political Punch

LOL!

LOLOLOL!

THAT's incorporation of GENUINE gop ideology?!

an entire fiddycent for to STUDY the reform of malpractice and the cost of defensive medicine?

wow!

he CAN'T do REAL tort reform, not with all the TRIAL LAWYERS comprising so large, influential and GENEROUS a portion of his base

this is ONE desperate president

why, just since massachusetts he's said he's gonna go fast, go slow, do it all, do a part, pass it in pieces, cram it as is, let the house pass the senate bill with or without fixes, do it now and adjust it later...

in other words, "yes, no, yes, maybe, no, yes, yes, maybe, no..."

in that order

since the summit---cram it fast, do a smaller bill, incorporate opposition proposals

this guy will and does SAY anything on any given wednesday

and five minutes later, he SAYS the exact opposite

this comprehensively improvisational president is completely incompetent

he's roundly IRRELEVANT

i'm sorry to have to tell you, but barack obama is the ALREADY IRRELEVANT president

his health care reform is dead

HE killed it

can't YOU see what's gonna happen next (we all know HE can't)

he's gonna try and package himself as the suddenly converted tort reformer, what with his FIDDY MILLION DOLLARS (LOL!), and all

and EVERYONE is gonna SEE THRU his MANIPULATIONS in his usual heartbeat

he's just so PHONY

you know what's wrong?

all this talk about washington being broken...

you know what's exactly the problem?

president pieface needs to push a proposal, just once, that's POPULAR!

he keeps proposing crap everyone DESPISES

THAT's his problem

it's really quite SIMPLE

put up a piece america appreciates, president pieface, and parliament will be happy to jump

all SIXTY of em

 

[molten_dragon]

I'm personally not a huge fan of this bill either, however, I think the Republicans have proven by this point that they aren't really interested in cooperating. I wouldn't blame the Democrats for pushing it through despite them at this point.

 

[Orion]

I agree, the debate has gone on long enough. Either way a decision needs to be made so that the government can move on to other pressing matters. The U.S. does need healthcare reform badly and this is the first step. Hopefully future administrations have the wisdom to tweak it according to public feedback, but I suspect, given the partisan bickering and corporate sponsorship, it's going to be a long term battle.