Really? Where have I done this? Feel free to point them out.
Listen, you smarmy little hack. I don't have burden of proof. I posted the list of accomplishments. Prove that Obama is not responsible.
Except they don't seem to actually care. This is the exact wrong way to say "I care". What will happen if the US defaults? No one knows for sure. The experts cannot even agree. The people in congress sure as hell do not know. So playing games with the debt increase is not showing they care(hint: I am not claiming that democrats are any better on this, to forestall your trying to make that stupid charge), it's showing a willingness to risk the US economy for political power(again, republicans are not alone in this to forestall your trying to spin that lie about my words).
Trying to claim "they are now" when everything they are doing in this is showing a complete lack of caring is the saddest attempt at spin ever.
Really? Where have I done this? Feel free to point them out.
Listen, you smarmy little hack. I don't have burden of proof. I posted the list of accomplishments. Prove that Obama is not responsible. That's on you. Those accomplishments happened on Obama's watch. Therefore, he gets credit. Just like you give him credit for the bad, he gets credit for the good. Pull your ****ing head from your ass-gape and you might understand that.
ANd who the **** are you to accuse me of having no job? I've had the same ****ing job for the last 11 years. Now sit down you clueless hack. I'm this close [holding my fingers about a half inch apart - about the size of your dick] to putting your dense ass on ignore.
It's the typical response that you are the only one that can read what is going on and come to a logical conclusion. That we will not default even has the numbers behind it. We take in more than enough money to not default.
You seem to believe that those with a difference of opinion "simply do not care". On the contrary. I care which is why I do not want the debt limit raised. I would never accuse you of "not caring". You simply have a different opinion. One that I disagree with. Now, if you truely aren't of the type I note, read one of the articles I mention that state that we take in more than enough to not default and tell us why they are wrong.
well.... you do have a tendency to accuse those who disagree with you of lying/dishonesty/etc.; carrying the implicit assumption that all those with intelligence and reason know that you are correct, and must therefore be engaging in falsehood if they don't admit it.
Listen, you smarmy little hack.
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This is laughable.You can't seriously be this dense. Obama not taking tax hikes off the table is not an unwillingness to compromise. He offered up 4 trillion in cuts. He asked for tax hikes in return. That's called negotiating. Stop being obtuse. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
aug 2: united states defaults on its debt
aug 3: the world comes to an end
aug 4: obama turns FIFTY, the big five-oh!
and YOU can celebrate the president's birthday with him, enjoy the glitz and the gala, for 35000 dollars cash
Obama hits Chicago for 50th birthday fund-raisers at the Aragon - Lynn Sweet
party on, mr prez!
Whether we "default" is not so much the issue, as is the effects that can, and in some cases will, happen when we reach a certain point.
probably won't melt down, but this is not to say that there will not be consequences. What and how severe those might be, I freely admit to not knowing, but I also know based on the fact that experts all disagree, that no one really knows for sure. You can claim all you want to claim, but it is still just a guess based on your willingness to believe what supports your pre-assumed guess.
One of the most dangerous things we can do is assume that because something is what we want to hear, it must be true.
Every one does it to an extent, including myself. I do try and question all assumptions however, and you will notice in reading my post history that I use a lot of caveats, alot of disclaimers, and fairly frequently admit that things I would rather not be true, are true.
there is no way we default if we go past Aug 2. we have literally more than ten times the revenue necessary to avoid such an event. we would have a partial government shut down. not a default.
that is true - whether the bond markets go nuts or not (i think there are several powerful reasons they won't and only one weak reason that they might) is anyones' guess. "bad things happening" is not "default".
There is simply not enough money for this solution to work if we must suddenly cut the budget by 43%. A partial shutdown of the kind I described above would get you maybe halfway there.
He had to spend in order to stabilize the crap economy that Bush left him. You think Republicans don't spend? Are you forgetting the 2 wars, the Medicare drug plan, and the Bush tax cuts for the rich, none of which were paid for? ANd who passed TARP? Here's a hint, it wasn't Obama. Maybe you should just quit at this point. You lose.
President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is still the biggest-spending president in 30 years. His 2006 budget doesn’t cut enough spending to change his place in history, either.
Total government spending grew by 33% during Bush’s first term. The federal budget as a share of the economy grew from 18.5% of GDP on Clinton’s last day in office to 20.3 per- cent by the end of Bush’s first term.
The Republican Congress has enthusiastically assisted the budget bloat. Inflation-adjusted spending on the combined budgets of the 101 largest programs they vowed to eliminate in 1995 has grown by 27%.
That's roughly how much spending exceeds current revenues, once you deduct the funds necessary to cover the debt service.Unless you object, please save me from going through this entire thread to discover where the idea that we must suddenly cut 43% of the budget came from?
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Unless you object, please save me from going through this entire thread to discover where the idea that we must suddenly cut 43% of the budget came from?
I knew it would come down to a statement about two parties. Maybe if I was a purist libertarian, I might see it different. But the problem is, you folks are not getting many elected. You can't stay on the sidelines pointing one finger at the D and the other at the R, just bitch. You have to get involved one side or the other, or just be quiet. Playing the middle or just standing on the outskirts accomplishes nothing. We all know about partisanship and what's going on, you (as a group) are not telling us anything we don't know.
So I have to support the Republocrats in some manner or shut up? Mmmmm, tyranny.
How about this instead. It's America, it's still a free country for now. So long as it remains that way I will run my mouth the way I want to when I want to against who I want to. If you don't like it, don't read my posts. Sorry to point out that decades of Republocrat rule has driven us to this current state, or the fact that while Obama has made concessions and tried to compromise, the Republicans have been obstructionists in this entire thing. Even when given back their call for spending cuts, they refused because they want to keep things like the Capital Gains tax where it is to give big breaks to the super rich instead of doing what is right by the Republic. And they continue to do so. Obama has them in a corner, they had their chance to claim victory; but due to party politics, engaging in the partisan crapfest which has become standard Republocrat rule, they missed it. They ****ed up. Now they're just continuing this little farce for as long as they can but they know they're boned.
You may claim you all "know about the partisanship", I'm not so sure that's a statement of fact. As it seems that many even here are still falling to the partisan rhetoric, attacks, and defenses.
So no, I will not "just be quiet". I have a right to speak, and I will damned well do just that. And if you don't like it, well it's freedom baby. Deal with it.
I'll keep asking, perhaps someone will tackle this question.....
Given all the revenue the government collects each month, who will be paid before the seniors, veterans, and military?
Anyone?
Rev, those on the list you provided will be paid AFTER the debt holders (of which, social security is the largest followed by the Federal Reserve bank). However, i still believe a deal will be made before the 2nd and this little game of political chicken the GOP created has morphed their power grab for 2012 into a toy elephant. Tis bad form to hold your country by financial hostage....
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