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Excerpted from “Obama Says Commitment to Clean Energy Will Boost Jobs” By Nicholas Johnston, Bloomberg, Aug 16, 2010 12:02 PM PT
[SIZE="+2"]P[/SIZE]resident Barack Obama said government incentives to expand clean-energy industries will help restore jobs, citing a battery maker in Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin, where he is highlighting the impact of the economic stimulus.
Obama used the example of ZBB Energy Corp., which is using a $1.3 million loan from the legislation to keep 12 workers on staff and eventually hire 80 more as it expands production. …
My sense is that these initiatives are how industry and government can cooperate effectively to create opportunities for Americans today as we transition to clean energy tomorrow.
Why would a little thing like that stop the government from throwing trillions of your dollars at it?And there is no guarantee that there IS anything with a combination of cheaper, more portable, and more energy-intensive than oil.
Why would a little thing like that stop the government from throwing trillions of your dollars at it?
Of course not. And when Obama says something is going to create jobs, it's going to create jobs. Just like the "stimilus" bill.
Until that "green" energy is cheap enough to compete with the supposed "dirty" energy, it will flop, not create a lot of jobs, waste money or some combination of the three.
How much does that dirty energy pollution cost us each year? Does that get factored into the price of oil/coal?
Just saying, it would be pretty hard for the sewer plant to compete costwise if we could all just **** in the river.
Subsidies for green energy or taxes on fossil fuels will help make them cost competitive.
It's not worth doing right now.
When things aren't in the crapper, it may be worth discussing.
Depends IMO, subisidies with a bad economy would be great, more taxes not so much.
My sense is that these initiatives are how industry and government can cooperate effectively to create opportunities for Americans today as we transition to clean energy tomorrow.
My sense is that these initiatives are how industry and government can cooperate effectively to create opportunities for Americans today as we transition to clean energy tomorrow.
At least MLK was honest enough to preface his comments with "I have a dream..."
And as it is, it's a physical and economic fact that oil is cheap, it's easily transportable, and it's highly energy-intensive.
Find something which beats it in those categories, and then you'll have something
What I object to is all the flowery hooplah about technology which simply doesn't exist and no one really knows if it CAN exist -- especially when someone is so arrogant as to pin down an exact number of jobs it will create.
And on top of that, to start trying to kill oil before we even know we can get there at all is stupid beyond measure.
How much does that dirty energy pollution cost us each year? Does that get factored into the price of oil/coal?
Just saying, it would be pretty hard for the sewer plant to compete costwise if we could all just **** in the river.
Subsidies for green energy or taxes on fossil fuels will help make them cost competitive.
Yea more tax payer money thrown at useless crap which will amount to nothing but creating more government waste.
What?
Do you have any specific examples?
Investing in renewable energy sources; wind, solar, wave, tidal, etc, will create jobs, and will generate energy. They won't do so at costs competitive to coal or gas, therefore there will need to be incentives to get pirvate enterprise interested.
Also, I do not believe anyone has stated the exact number of jobs that will be created, 'over 800,000' is just an estimate. I do not think it's that unreasonable.
I don't think anyone wants to 'kill' oil, indeed, that simply is not possible yet.
But oil will steadily become more difficult to access, and therefore more expensive. We need to have developed alternatives that will be economical before the price of oil increases significantly.
The production of oil has been attacked, restricted, prohibited, "moratoriumed," taxed, and suffocatingly regulated 18 ways from Sunday.
As it should be. Would you prefer we use all of our oil deposits in the U.S. now and in the future when oil is even more expensive, we'll have to send even more money to foreign countries?
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