Groucho
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Everyone has their own reasons, and trying to explain the drop in popularity to blanket statement of "he's not liberal enough" is laughable on its face.
It says a lot more about your viewpoint than what's actually going on out there. In a country of 300 million people, nothing is ever that simple.
OK, hear me out.
Obama's popularity has dropped quite a bit over the year. Now, of course, that happens to every President to some extent. In fact, Reagan's was about at the same level after his first year.
But who is he losing support from? Not the conservatives. They were never on his side to begin with.
He's losing it from moderates and liberals, who are disappointed in what he has done (or not done). He seems to have been spending much too much time trying to appeal to conservatives, as if they would ever support him, at the expense of those who already do support him.
Building up in Afghanistan, not closing Gitmo, giving in too easily on health care, not getting rid of "don't ask don't tell" and so on...
He's done a lot I agree with, but a lot I disagree with as well, and that makes my support for him a lot less than it used to be.
Do you agree that this is the problem?
OK, hear me out.
Obama's popularity has dropped quite a bit over the year. Now, of course, that happens to every President to some extent. In fact, Reagan's was about at the same level after his first year.
But who is he losing support from? Not the conservatives. They were never on his side to begin with.
He's losing it from moderates and liberals, who are disappointed in what he has done (or not done). He seems to have been spending much too much time trying to appeal to conservatives, as if they would ever support him, at the expense of those who already do support him.
Building up in Afghanistan, not closing Gitmo, giving in too easily on health care, not getting rid of "don't ask don't tell" and so on...
He's done a lot I agree with, but a lot I disagree with as well, and that makes my support for him a lot less than it used to be.
Do you agree that this is the problem?
1. The reason he won was because of center right folks tired of 8 years of Bush.
2. Playing to the Left means total defeat in 2010 and 2012.
My point was that even if he did fix these things, the conservatives would still hate him. They hated him even before he was in office, and did not give him a chance from the beginning.
How is that "your point"? This thread is about why "moderates" and "liberals" are withdrawing their approval. These "hate him no matter what" conservatives are irrelevant to that.
He seems to have been spending much too much time trying to appeal to conservatives
Building up in Afghanistan, not closing Gitmo, giving in too easily on health care, not getting rid of "don't ask don't tell" and so on...
and that makes my support for him a lot less than it used to be.
He's losing moderates and dems as he backtracks on the public option and misques abroad bowing to the wrong people, accepting awards he didn't deserve. His health care plan as well upsetting as many liberals as conservatives, his wishy washy ineptness in standing for the public option is costing him.
Building up in Afghanistan was a campaign promise of his, not an appeal to conservatives.
Not closing Gitmo is no appeal attempt, he never knew what to do when he promised it would be closed, that is obvious. HE gives in on health care because he simply didn't have the Dem votes. The public plan and abortion had to be removed...by Dems...in order for them to vote for it, there was no appealing to conservatives there or tort reform, interstate competition, and other Repub desires would tbe there. They ain't. Repub oppositoion has been solid and consistent, all the major "give in" was so that Dems would vote for it. Remember?
You were hoodwinked and the wool pulled over your eyes, don't feel too badly. It was a multi-hindred million campaign, the richest in history. The charisma so overwhelming, he was such a teleprompter expert, I can easily see why so many were swayed. I told you what you were getting, you didn't want to listen to me.:roll:
Told you so!
i do agree. he still has my support, however, as he navigates through the halls of hell.OK, hear me out.
Obama's popularity has dropped quite a bit over the year. Now, of course, that happens to every President to some extent. In fact, Reagan's was about at the same level after his first year.
But who is he losing support from? Not the conservatives. They were never on his side to begin with.
He's losing it from moderates and liberals, who are disappointed in what he has done (or not done). He seems to have been spending much too much time trying to appeal to conservatives, as if they would ever support him, at the expense of those who already do support him.
Building up in Afghanistan, not closing Gitmo, giving in too easily on health care, not getting rid of "don't ask don't tell" and so on...
He's done a lot I agree with, but a lot I disagree with as well, and that makes my support for him a lot less than it used to be.
Do you agree that this is the problem?
My point is that if he wants his poll numbers to go back up, he needs to get back the people who have left him: the liberals and moderates.
I really didn't think my point was that difficult to understand, honestly.
My point is that if he wants his poll numbers to go back up, he needs to get back the people who have left him: the liberals and moderates.
I really didn't think my point was that difficult to understand, honestly.
No, you shifted your point, unless you think doing "those things" is synonymous with "being liberal." Or, at the very least, that fixing the economy, getting unemployment down, making a decision on Afghanistan, etc., is the same as ceasing to placate conservatives.
In which case, it opens a whole 'nother can of worms.
Man! I am coming to the conclusion that your debate technique consists of taking whatever someone says and then completely ignoring it and arguing something completely different, pretending the person said that instead, and then complaining when they don't answer to your rewrite.
You really think that's effective? I was right to ignore you in that other thread, and I'm going to start doing that a lot as long as you continue to do this.
Man! I am coming to the conclusion that your debate technique consists of taking whatever someone says and then completely ignoring it and arguing something completely different, pretending the person said that instead
and then complaining when they don't answer to your rewrite.
You really think that's effective? I was right to ignore you in that other thread, and I'm going to start doing that a lot as long as you continue to do this.
I agree.
The current liberal view is that the facts changed, but Obama didn't.
Why wasn't he pushing the Senate the same way Bush did to get his agenda passed?
What are you, crazy?
If Obama wants his support to rise, appealing to conservatives is not the way to do it.
My point is that if he wants his poll numbers to go back up, he needs to get back the people who have left him: the liberals and moderates.
I really didn't think my point was that difficult to understand, honestly.
He doesn't really seem to care what the left of his base thinks about him.
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