Obama just keeps thinking he is king.

[ludin]

I think they should stop paying GW. Bush and then they won't need an increase. GW's a war criminal and should not receive his pension.

when was he put on trial and convicted?
not that this thread has anything to do with bush
other than he shouldn't be getting money either, but not for the reasons you listed.

 

[ludin]

After what he did to this country, everybody should. When you rated the worst President ever by most historians you should forfeit your pension.

really when did this happen? I think you are making stuff up.

 

[joG]

After what he did to this country, everybody should. When you are rated the worst President ever by most historians you should forfeit your pension.

You probably even believe that too.

 

[Chomsky]

Obama seeks hike in post-presidency payments | Fox News

I don't see why we have to pay him more than what he has already sucked out of us.
he is no different than any other president but wants more and more.

here is a ton of wasteful spending that we can get rid of and go get a job like everyone else
instead of milking the American tax payer and this goes for any other president as well.

this we owe you for life BS has to stop.

Another Fox propagandist hit piece masquerading as a 'news' article.

The President in all likelihood should be commended for saving the taxpayers money! Charades like this are why Fox became irrelevant & ineffectual in forwarding the GOP establishment cause this election cycle. Trump took them on and called them out, exposing them for what the are (which is not a news organization).

A 17.9% increase? Granted I am merely a foreigner, but if there were four living former Presidents and there's soon going to be five, wouldn't a 25% increase in required funds be expected? Then there's inflation and any other complicating factors on top of that. For a half-year post-presidency, that figure looks about right.

Yep, that's the way most sensible thinking persons would see it.

But as usual, Fox obfuscates and presents relevant facts in a highly deceptive and partisan manner. However, their efficacy as the de facto organ of the "Republican establishment" may have finally hit the breaking-point, as can be seen by their failure in combating Mr. Trump. I'm pretty amazed they could maintain their news organization charade as long as they have, but I believe their tenure speaks well to P.T. Barnum's excellent adages concerning the American people!

 

[iguanaman]

You probably even believe that too.

So do 61% of historians...

One historian indicated that his reason for rating Bush as worst is that the current president combines traits of some of his failed predecessors: “the paranoia of Nixon, the ethics of Harding and the good sense of Herbert Hoover. . . . . God willing, this will go down as the nadir of American politics.” Another classified Bush as “an ideologue who got the nation into a totally unnecessary war, and has broken the Constitution more often than even Nixon. He is not a conservative, nor a Christian, just an immoral man . . . .” Still another remarked that Bush’s “denial of any personal responsibility can only be described as silly.”

“It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush,” concluded one respondent. “His domestic policies,” another noted, “have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; and of crippling the nation’s economic base.”

- See more at: History News Network | HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

 

[Deuce]

you obviously haven't read any of my posts but good for you typical from what I have seen.

if you would have actually read it I said no president should get that garbage.
you don't get benefits once you are out of a job. the perks go away.

however Obama is wanting to increase those benefits mostly for himself.

Lots of jobs offer a retirement package.

 

[Mithrae]

....however Obama is wanting to increase those benefits mostly for himself.

You're still 'confused' about the increase. I put it in inverted commas because I honestly don't believe you're that dumb: You were misled by Fox's headline, which is almost understandable - it clearly was intended to deceive, after all - but now for some reason you think sticking to that line is better than acknowledging that 5 pension/security allotments cost more than 4 pension/security allotments.

you obviously haven't read any of my posts but good for you typical from what I have seen.

if you would have actually read it I said no president should get that garbage.
you don't get benefits once you are out of a job. the perks go away....

And you still haven't answered my question. Third and final time is a charm, perhaps:

If your point was that no presidents should get those benefits, why is your thread title all about Obama?



Edit: No real need to answer, I suppose. The above 'confusion' - IE, the fact that you were duped by the article's deceptive title - answers it well enough. You thought, and still do, that it really was about Obama :lol:

 

[joG]

So do 61% of historians...


- See more at: History News Network | HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

And you didn't wonder how so historians would have been so quick at the draw had they not had an ulterior motive? Why, they hadn't even had time to see second incidence impacts let alone historical perspective.

 

[iguanaman]

And you didn't wonder how so historians would have been so quick at the draw had they not had an ulterior motive? Why, they hadn't even had time to see second incidence impacts let alone historical perspective.

LOL You sound like Bush. He will still be the worst after he is dead too.

 

[ludin]

Another Fox propagandist hit piece masquerading as a 'news' article.

The President in all likelihood should be commended for saving the taxpayers money! Charades like this are why Fox became irrelevant & ineffectual in forwarding the GOP establishment cause this election cycle. Trump took them on and called them out, exposing them for what the are (which is not a news organization).

Yep, that's the way most sensible thinking persons would see it.

But as usual, Fox obfuscates and presents relevant facts in a highly deceptive and partisan manner. However, their efficacy as the de facto organ of the "Republican establishment" may have finally hit the breaking-point, as can be seen by their failure in combating Mr. Trump. I'm pretty amazed they could maintain their news organization charade as long as they have, but I believe their tenure speaks well to P.T. Barnum's excellent adages concerning the American people!

since fox news isn't the only news station reporting on it.
I guess all those others aren't news stations either.

:roll:

 

[polgara]

Sure. That's the plight of the middle class here now, thanks to the policies of some of those past presidents, anyway. They'll just have to learn to get by on a little less. Think of it as a presidential IPAB for retirement.

Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

I can imagine that the discussion around the BHO kitchen table might be centered on finding some way to be certain that two taxpayer-financed planes are still available after he leaves office in 2017 for the multi-million dollar vacations to Hawaii at Christmas and the summer vacations at Martha's Vineyard when they decide to take the dog, which apparently requires a plane just for him. Since Michelle does not like to wait for BHO when she's ready to leave on vacation, it's understandable that she would take one plane and tell him to take the other, but it is a dilemma that will have to be solved! :shrug:

 

[Deuce]

Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

I can imagine that the discussion around the BHO kitchen table might be centered on finding some way to be certain that two taxpayer-financed planes are still available after he leaves office in 2017 for the multi-million dollar vacations to Hawaii at Christmas and the summer vacations at Martha's Vineyard when they decide to take the dog, which apparently requires a plane just for him. Since Michelle does not like to wait for BHO when she's ready to leave on vacation, it's understandable that she would take one plane and tell him to take the other, but it is a dilemma that will have to be solved! :shrug:

Hahahahah you believed that dog story!?

I'll catch you up:
You can't land a 747-200B at Martha's Vineyard's airport. Runway is too small. Two planes needed to be used to move the President and his staff/security force. Dog happened to be on a different one than the President. I can't believe you actually thought the dog got its own plane :lamo

Oh you people.

 

[Chomsky]

since fox news isn't the only news station reporting on it.
I guess all those others aren't news stations either.

:roll:

Irrespective of this specific article, I do find it easy to beat on Fox because of their history.

But you did come straight-out attacking Obama (erroneously, it seems) with inaccurate derogatory comments stated as fact, so you yourself attempted to add factual weight to the article.

And the Fox article, in typical Fox fashion, did nothing to add insight or perspective to their headline explaining this may indeed have been an action by the President that many might see in a positive light.

Your attacking and misrepresentation (advertant or not) set the tone for the thread, and I suspect that's why you received so much backlash here.

 

[ashurbanipal]

why should he get more than other people get? what makes him special? nothing.
he can get the same amount and technically beyond the 206k pension which is ludicrous to me.
he shouldn't get anything else.

he wants an office staff he can pay for it.
he wants to travel he can pay for it.
he wants a security detail he can pay for it.

same goes for the other presidents.
you lose your job you don't get the benefits anymore.

Having served as President of an organization (admittedly far smaller than the entire United States), I can attest that it's a job that's never really finished. Past Presidents mentor current Presidents and other members of government. They are called upon for private advice because they dealt firsthand with certain issues that may have ongoing effects. Given all of that, office staff and travel expenses are warranted.

Moreover, Obama is not asking for more than other Presidents have gotten. As another poster already pointed out, the increase should be more like 25% if we're just taking note of the fact that we're about to have five ex-presidents instead of four. "What is already there" is enough to fund four ex-presidents. Now we need to fund five ex-presidents.

Security details are also warranted, since there are crazies on both sides of the political divide who might want to assassinate a former president.

 

[polgara]

Hahahahah you believed that dog story!?

Greetings, Deuce. :2wave:

Why wouldn't I? It was extensively covered by the MSM, and we know they always report only the facts! OMG, are you now saying that's not true? :shock:

 

[Mithrae]

LOL You sound like Bush. He will still be the worst after he is dead too.

He might be, but it certainly was unfair and unprofessional for any historian (as a historian) to rate him as such even before his term had ended!

 

[Kal'Stang]

Obama seeks hike in post-presidency payments | Fox News

I don't see why we have to pay him more than what he has already sucked out of us.
he is no different than any other president but wants more and more.

here is a ton of wasteful spending that we can get rid of and go get a job like everyone else
instead of milking the American tax payer and this goes for any other president as well.

this we owe you for life BS has to stop.

If you were POTUS wouldn't you try and do what you can to make sure you benefitted as much as possible after retirement from POTUS?

After reading this... Former Presidents: Pensions, Office Allowances, and Other Federal Benefits I have no problem with this. He's not doing anything that no one else wouldn't do if we were in his place. And its not like he's asking for a million dollars JUST for his pension.

 

[Deuce]

Greetings, Deuce. :2wave:

Why wouldn't I? It was extensively covered by the MSM, and we know they always report only the facts! OMG, are you now saying that's not true? :shock:

It wasn't. Not in the way you think. I edited in some context but you may have missed it due to the timing:

I'll catch you up:
You can't land a 747-200B at Martha's Vineyard's airport. Runway is too small. Two planes needed to be used to move the President and his staff/security force. Dog happened to be on a different one than the President. I can't believe you actually thought the dog got its own plane :lamo

Oh you people.

 

[Threegoofs]

you obviously haven't read any of my posts but good for you typical from what I have seen.

if you would have actually read it I said no president should get that garbage.
you don't get benefits once you are out of a job. the perks go away.

however Obama is wanting to increase those benefits mostly for himself.

Yet ex-Presidents have responsibilities, and full office staffs, and have for probably the past 100 years.

Classic thread.

Face palm worthy.

 

[Deuce]

Yet ex-Presidents have responsibilities, and full office staffs, and have for probably the past 100 years.

Classic thread.

Face palm worthy.

I'm still not sure he's caught onto the fact that the number of ex-presidents will increase next year by 25% while the budget only goes up 18%, meaning Obama is expecting below-average expenditures.

 

[Threegoofs]

I'm still not sure he's caught onto the fact that the number of ex-presidents will increase next year by 25% while the budget only goes up 18%, meaning Obama is expecting below-average expenditures.

It's higher math.

I have a feeling the difference actually may be as a result of Nancy Reagan's death, and/or Jimmy Carter may be throttling back his activity after his illness.

 

[Greenbeard]

It's higher math.

I have a feeling the difference actually may be as a result of Nancy Reagan's death, and/or Jimmy Carter may be throttling back his activity after his illness.

Fiscal year, probably. Obama doesn't need an allotment in the first quarter of the fiscal year.

 

[Ntharotep]

Civil Servants' pension should equal an average of what all working American citizens make. How's that for fair?

 

[ludin]

Irrespective of this specific article, I do find it easy to beat on Fox because of their history.

But you did come straight-out attacking Obama (erroneously, it seems) with inaccurate derogatory comments stated as fact, so you yourself attempted to add factual weight to the article.

And the Fox article, in typical Fox fashion, did nothing to add insight or perspective to their headline explaining this may indeed have been an action by the President that many might see in a positive light.

Your attacking and misrepresentation (advertant or not) set the tone for the thread, and I suspect that's why you received so much backlash here.

nothing inaccurate or derogatory about it.
other than you don't like what the article says do you have anything other than your opinion to counter it?

so far that is all I see pretty much.

the only backlash are coming from the typical liberal hacks.

 

[ludin]

Having served as President of an organization (admittedly far smaller than the entire United States), I can attest that it's a job that's never really finished. Past Presidents mentor current Presidents and other members of government. They are called upon for private advice because they dealt firsthand with certain issues that may have ongoing effects. Given all of that, office staff and travel expenses are warranted.

Moreover, Obama is not asking for more than other Presidents have gotten. As another poster already pointed out, the increase should be more like 25% if we're just taking note of the fact that we're about to have five ex-presidents instead of four. "What is already there" is enough to fund four ex-presidents. Now we need to fund five ex-presidents.

Security details are also warranted, since there are crazies on both sides of the political divide who might want to assassinate a former president.

there is no proof of that it is mere conjecture.