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Obama issues a dire warning about American democracy in stunning rebuke of Trump

Rogue Valley said:
Mr. Obama did not pull any punches, directly blaming the COVID deaths of 170,000 Americans on Donald Trumps ineptness and apathy.
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That was pretty much the only concrete, specific thing he said, and in the same sentence talked about how millions are out of work. Well guess what, we probably can't legally have a massive nationwide shutdown mandated from the Oval Office, but even if we could we can't do that and also not have millions out of work. You can't blame Trump (or anyone else for that matter) for both. It's pretty much either/or.

He also told us how important it is for the president to protect the safety and welfare of all, but had nothing to say about all the riots wrecking our cities over the past 3 months.
 
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eman623 said:
It's sadly true. Obama tried to hobble or remove a president-elect.
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Nothing to say about anything I said?
How did Obama get Mueller hired, some kind of secret Masonic prestidigitation? He held his fingers to his temples, chanted "Ommm! Ommm!" and Presto! Mueller's phone rang?
 
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Grand Mal said:
Know how Trump got elected? Because if you are of average intelligence exactly half the population is dumber than you. And you don't need half to be elected President.

Obama brought America back from a recession that belonged to a Republican and America's best hope is that history will repeat itself.
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You calling others dumb when in effect your bolded statement is just dumb.
 
Grand Mal said:
Nothing to say about anything I said?
How did Obama get Mueller hired, some kind of secret Masonic prestidigitation? He held his fingers to his temples, chanted "Ommm! Ommm!" and Presto! Mueller's phone rang?
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What a dodge...
What the above poster wrote has nothing to do with Mueller.
 
trixare4kids said:
You calling others dumb when in effect your bolded statement is just dumb.
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That statement is true. That's what 'average' means, half are less and half are more.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
When the current President acts like a cruel, wannabe, authoritarian dictator who puts his own political career ahead that of democracy, the health and welfare of his fellow citizens, the Rule of Law, and the Republic itself.
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Trump is just a horrible human. He never grew up.


I don't know his parents but somebody did a ****ty job raising him.
 
trixare4kids said:
What a dodge...
What the above poster wrote has nothing to do with Mueller.
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It had everything to do with Mueller. He said that Obama was behind the Mueller investigation. Quote...
"The entire Russia collusion investigation was invented by the Obama administration to either hobble or remove Trump."
How would you guess Obama made the Trump administration hire Mueller?
 
Grand Mal said:
It had everything to do with Mueller. He said that Obama was behind the Mueller investigation. Quote...
"The entire Russia collusion investigation was invented by the Obama administration to either hobble or remove Trump."
How would you guess Obama made the Trump administration hire Mueller?
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quit posting quotes. it ****s them up.
 
Grand Mal said:
Nothing to say about anything I said?
How did Obama get Mueller hired, some kind of secret Masonic prestidigitation? He held his fingers to his temples, chanted "Ommm! Ommm!" and Presto! Mueller's phone rang?
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I'm not sure what your point is. Mueller's investigation showed no evidence of Russian collusion. It exonerated Trump.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
You obviously haven't read the Senate report released 2 days ago which was endorsed by Republicans:

A Republican-Backed Senate Report Shows Trump and His Backers Are Russian Dupes – Mother Jones

Press | Intelligence Committee

Five takeaways from final Senate Intel Russia report | TheHill

This idea you have, that they managed to brainwash you with, that the Russia investigation was some sort of attempt to "get" Trump is nothing but a lie, and like a fool, you believed it. Not even Senate Republicans agree with that crazy conspiracy theory you believe.
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It's not crazy, nor a conspiracy theory. The FBI was weaponized by the Obama administration to spy on the Trump campaign and later they trumped (no pun intended) up charges against Flynn to try to get him to flip. To be sure, the Trump administration had some unsavory characters with Russian contacts like Paul Manafort, but Obama knew there was no collusion to try to get Russia to help get Trump elected.
 
eman623 said:
I'm not sure what your point is. Mueller's investigation showed no evidence of Russian collusion. It exonerated Trump.
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It indicted 25 Russians for directly interfering in the election, many of them military officers. If the investigation hadn't happened that would have stayed hidden, would never have been uncovered. Wouldn't that have been a great message to send the Russians?
There was no evidence of collusion uncovered but Mueller specifically said that he didn't raise criminal matters because his boss, Barr, had declared that Trump couldn't be indicted so it would be "unfair" (Muellers word) to make accusations that couldn't be defended against in court. That's not exoneration and Mueller said so.
Muellers mandate was to investigate interference and that's what he did. The word "collusion" was tossed into the mix by partisan hacks on both sides of the aisle. Mueller was maybe the only honest man in the whole sorry episode.
 
eman623 said:
It's not crazy, nor a conspiracy theory. The FBI was weaponized by the Obama administration to spy on the Trump campaign and later they trumped (no pun intended) up charges against Flynn to try to get him to flip. To be sure, the Trump administration had some unsavory characters with Russian contacts like Paul Manafort, but Obama knew there was no collusion to try to get Russia to help get Trump elected.
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You mean the FBI that announced a week before the election that they were reopening the investigation into Clinton? That the same FBI that was weaponized by Obama? Boy, I didn't know Obama hated Clinton enough to torpedo her campaign.
 
Grand Mal said:
It indicted 25 Russians for directly interfering in the election, many of them military officers. If the investigation hadn't happened that would have stayed hidden, would never have been uncovered. Wouldn't that have been a great message to send the Russians?
There was no evidence of collusion uncovered but Mueller specifically said that he didn't raise criminal matters because his boss, Barr, had declared that Trump couldn't be indicted so it would be "unfair" (Muellers word) to make accusations that couldn't be defended against in court. That's not exoneration and Mueller said so.
Muellers mandate was to investigate interference and that's what he did. The word "collusion" was tossed into the mix by partisan hacks on both sides of the aisle. Mueller was maybe the only honest man in the whole sorry episode.
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I have no problem with going after Russians who meddled in our elections. I do have a problem with Obama spying on the Trump campaign and later trying to bring it down on collusion charges that Obama knew to be fake.

Mueller's exhaustive 2-year investigation showed no evidence of collusion. That's exoneration.

And it wasn't "both sides" that accused the Trump campaign of collusion. It was the Dems from start to finish.
 
Grand Mal said:
You mean the FBI that announced a week before the election that they were reopening the investigation into Clinton? That the same FBI that was weaponized by Obama? Boy, I didn't know Obama hated Clinton enough to torpedo her campaign.
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Yes, that FBI. The FBI that also had Strzok and Page tweeting each other about how they were going to stop Trump from being president, and then doing everything they could to stop Trump from being president.
 
eman623 said:
It's not crazy, nor a conspiracy theory. The FBI was weaponized by the Obama administration to spy on the Trump campaign and later they trumped (no pun intended) up charges against Flynn to try to get him to flip. To be sure, the Trump administration had some unsavory characters with Russian contacts like Paul Manafort, but Obama knew there was no collusion to try to get Russia to help get Trump elected.
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The fbi was monitoring kislyak.
 
eman623 said:
I'm not sure what your point is. Mueller's investigation showed no evidence of Russian collusion. It exonerated Trump.
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That is FARRRRR from what it did. Mueller was TOLD, he had NO arrest authority. So, he wrote the report for CONGRESS to do their ****ing jobs. They did NOT do their jobs. As to collusion, that has no legal equivalent. Trump clearly colluded, and the Senate Rubio report shoves the needle right into the red on collusion, the colloquial term for traitor. Trump is a traitor. He is evil, he is working another agenda than what we think.
 
eman623 said:
Yes, that FBI. The FBI that also had Strzok and Page tweeting each other about how they were going to stop Trump from being president, and then doing everything they could to stop Trump from being president.
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Where are the persons that those LOVERS were working thru? they wer talking sweet nothings, during an affair, and you call them LYNCHPINS on a VAST conspiracy. LAUGHABLE.
 
5 bucks says that every living ex president will vote for Joe Biden.
 
HennyBogan said:
Needs to be executed for treason
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The day criticism of the President becomes treason there'll be no coming back, no hope, for your country.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Given carter pages prior history, the fbi was being dilligent.
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And faking up the evidence to get FISA warrants to spy on him. Was that just being dilligent?

And not telling Trump they were spying on his administration and foreign policy advisors. Was that diligence?

And Obama having knowledge and directing the spying on Trump. Was he just being diligent?

This is the stuff of one-party dictatorships, not democracies. Obama talking about Trump being a threat to democracy is surreal.
 
Grand Mal said:
The day criticism of the President becomes treason there'll be no coming back, no hope, for your country.
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Henry doesn't care. He wants a dictatorship.
 
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