Great OP comparing Detroit to the Dakota boom. Capitalism solves so many problems. Sure you need to police it some, but it's sure better then hating on it so much and using the crony versions
Conservatism destroyed Detroit.
It did it by demanding public policies which sent good American manufacturing jobs offshore. It did it by attacking good American union jobs, jobs paying middle class wages to American workers. Now those jobs are in third world hellholes paying slave wages to workers who are so desperate they have no choice but working for slave wages.
If you want America to be a third world hellhole, vote for conservatives.
Hmm....taxes are lower, interest rates are lower, S&P/DJI are higher, GDP is higher....and it would be great if employment was higher, but then his predecessor screwed the pooch.Obama is fighting for policies that will make the USA into Detroit.
He is fighting against policies that will make the USA of 2013 into the USA of 1998.
Employment, but as I said, we know how that got to where it is....and your solution....is for everyone to have an oil deposit underneath their feet:What's wrong with this picture.
Obama opposes having oil deposits underground? (pssst:you can't argue that oil leases are being restricted)Right now in North Dakota, people are moving to there and sleeping in truck stops and rest stops because there is not enough housing. Thousands are moving there every month. The McDonald's is paying $15.00/hour because it just can't find workers.
North Dakota is the template for what Obama opposes.
The President is trying to destroy the auto industry? Weird, I think I have read argument from cons calling for the dissolution of GM.Detroit is the template for what Obama is striving to achieve for us all.
Gee, I dare you to watch Gasland. Netflix has it as an instant watch.Has anyone heard of, seen, read anything about the Earthquakes, the ground water pollution and the horrors of Fracking that Obamabots are are complaining about from the haven of their parent's basements?
[video]http://www-tc.pbs.org/now/video/NOW-613-stream.mp4[/video]Wouldn't it be nice if this posturing, pontificating blow hard would just get the hell out of the way and let the American people do what the American people do?
Unemployed? Go to North Dakota - 1 - oil jobs & fracking - MSN Money
Hmm....taxes are lower, interest rates are lower, S&P/DJI are higher, GDP is higher....and it would be great if employment was higher, but then his predecessor screwed the pooch.
Employment, but as I said, we know how that got to where it is....and your solution....is for everyone to have an oil deposit underneath their feet:
Obama opposes having oil deposits underground? (pssst:you can't argue that oil leases are being restricted)
The President is trying to destroy the auto industry? Weird, I think I have read argument from cons calling for the dissolution of GM.
Gee, I dare you to watch Gasland. Netflix has it as an instant watch.
[video]http://www-tc.pbs.org/now/video/NOW-613-stream.mp4[/video]
Obama is fighting for policies that will make the USA into Detroit.
On upper incomes....to 1998 levels.Taxes are lower. Obama wants them higher.
The FED was controlling interest rates in 98.Interest rates are lower because the Fed is keeping them that way.
The FED is controlling the stock markets? Mmm, no not so much.Same with the stock markets.
LOL...is that an argument for ending the FED?Eliminate the Fed meddling and the stock market crashes and the interest rates sky rocket.
The crash started under Bush and ended a few months after Obama was sworn in.Are we still blaming Bush? I thought we were supposed to blame the guy who was in the ****e House during the previous term. isn't that what the Big 0 did?
Me? Your argument rests on the fact that ND has a huge, cheap to access oil reserve. If that is not an act of "god", I don't know what is. You don't even understand your premise.It figures that you would think that the only thing that can correct the obama blight is an act of God, we all know this.
Since when did subsidizing a new energy source become a bad thing? Oil was subsidized greatly at its beginning.Or, it might also work if he just stopped trying to sabotage anything that resembled a good idea. Has he subsidized any more Solyndras this week?
Thats what we need, dirtier energy sources.Driven any more coal mines out of business?
Umm, the recession did that.Idled any more Non-union shops?
Record numbers of off-shore leases granted...but you don't know that.Is it your assertion that obama supports the exploitation of the fossil fuels? That will be a scoop.
Oil leases on Federal land are being restricted.
Detroit saw massive declines in 2000 in manufacturing and along with it massive declines in population with some of the highest levels of unemployment. Manufacturing in the US has tumbled in the same time period, unions existed long before 2000. Find a better memeThe president supports the expansion of Unions, central control by government and nationalizing all of the policies that have ruined Detroit.
Ah, I see, Obama has caused the declines in demand.If the president was interested in ending this great recession, all he would need to do is STFU and let the American people work at the things that are before them to exploit.
You mean you want an end to QE....which will cause less investment, tighten credit market, decrease demand further......If he wants to prolong the great recession, he need only continue his failed policies that have prolonged it thus far.
Great OP comparing Detroit to the Dakota boom. Capitalism solves so many problems. Sure you need to police it some, but it's sure better then hating on it so much and using the crony versions
That's good. Detroit is currently the USA's most Libertarian city
On upper incomes....to 1998 levels.
The FED was controlling interest rates in 98. The FED is controlling the stock markets? Mmm, no not so much. LOL...is that an argument for ending the FED?
The crash started under Bush and ended a few months after Obama was sworn in.
Me? Your argument rests on the fact that ND has a huge, cheap to access oil reserve. If that is not an act of "god", I don't know what is. You don't even understand your premise.
Since when did subsidizing a new energy source become a bad thing? Oil was subsidized greatly at its beginning. Thats what we need, dirtier energy sources. Umm, the recession did that.
Record numbers of off-shore leases granted...but you don't know that.
Detroit saw massive declines in 2000 in manufacturing and along with it massive declines in population with some of the highest levels of unemployment. Manufacturing in the US has tumbled in the same time period, unions existed long before 2000. Find a better meme
Ah, I see, Obama has caused the declines in demand.
You mean you want an end to QE....which will cause less investment, tighten credit market, decrease demand further......
Straw, I said "control", the fed does not control the stock markets, there is not a 1 to 1 relation to interest rates/money supply and the indices.Yes the Federal Reserve does affect the Stock market.
There have been crashes without fed moves, again, not 1 to 1.Bernanke hinted that he might reduce the QE at some point in the future and the market had a mini crash.
Weird, now you are back to using "control". No, the POTUS can influence the FED decisions, he can put his man or woman in charge, he can ask that they use their influence to effect credit/banking stabilization, interest and money supply.QE is the result of the work of the Federal Reserve. Are you saying that the president controls the Federal Reserve, another crime by the president? It wouldn't surprise me since he doesn't think that laws apply to him.
Sorry, I missed the part where you showed it to be false.I don't know what your chart is supposed to show. It is a chart of things sought, not things approved, started or actually real.
Actually, they are up since the bottoming of the Bush Recession.The rest is just more Obamabot rationalization and justification of failure. Household income is down, full time Jobs are way down, employed college graduates in their field are as common as Solar Power panel Company success stories.
Good grief, here you are, Mr. Oil, asking me to educate you on the history of US oil corporations.Please provide a link to the handouts you claim that oil received from the government.
This is the typical denier response still not coming to term with the depths of the Bush Recession.That you and Obama are STILL blaming Bush after 5 years of Obama failure is the real revealing point in this whole whine fest.
Now I see why you don't know about the early history of oil industry subsidization (and probably not the current amounts either), it is because you don't read what is in front of you. Here, let me repeat and see if you get it the second time:Next you'll be saying that Detroit is an economic dynamo.
Yes, that's why it would be nice to live in a capitalist country where oil/energy cos. aren't shielded, by legislation, from liability for whatever environmental damage they cause to communities, a lesson learned by konservative state waaay too late. . .
FYI, Arkansas won't see a dime from the lawsuit, compliments of the dolts they voted for.
Yes the Federal Reserve does affect the Stock market. Bernanke hinted that he might reduce the QE at some point in the future and the market had a mini crash.
QE is the result of the work of the Federal Reserve. Are you saying that the president controls the Federal Reserve, another crime by the president?As stated above, the Fed Resv controls the interest rate on Treasuries. So, you are correct where QE is concerned. But just for emphasis, the President has absolutely nothing to do with QE. The Fed Chairman may advise him on such matters where economic policy/conditions are concerned, but the decision whether or not to raise the interest rate on government bonds is the responsibility of the Fed Resv.
Oh, brother...can we stop with the hyper-partisan absurdity already?It wouldn't surprise me since he doesn't think that laws apply to him.
I don't know what your chart is supposed to show. It is a chart of things sought, not things approved, started or actually real.
Apparently, you glossed over the title of the chart, "Onshore Federal lands sought by oil and gas industry for leasing, 2006-2012". Clearly, the chart is in response to an earlier poster who questioned the Obama Administration's approval of domestic oil leases. Granted, the numbers are down compared to where they were in 2009 and especially since 2006, but as the chart clearly illustrates such leases have been on the up-swing since 2010.
And you blame President Obama for all that? Really? Oh, no...you don't blame him for creating the mess...just not cleaning it up fast enough. Ah...got it. Because acknowledging the truth of who caused most of these problems - much of which even pre-date GWB and WJClinton - most Right-Wing conservatives couldn't handle it because it would mean they'd have to acknowledge that their conservative hero's long-term economic policies were all wrong!The rest is just more Obamabot rationalization and justification of failure. Household income is down, full time Jobs are way down, employed college graduates in their field are as common as Solar Power panel Company success stories.
Please provide a link to the handouts you claim that oil received from the government.
He already did! See the chart of oil leasing since 2006.
That you and Obama are STILL blaming Bush after 5 years of Obama failure is the real revealing point in this whole whine fest.
All I can say to that is if the shoe fits. Of course, history will tell just how affective or destructive GWB's economic and foreign policies were to the nation.
More hype...:roll:Next you'll be saying that Detroit is an economic dynamo.
Obama is fighting for policies that will make the USA into Detroit.
He is fighting against policies that will make the USA of 2013 into the USA of 1998.
What's wrong with this picture.
Right now in North Dakota, people are moving to there and sleeping in truck stops and rest stops because there is not enough housing. Thousands are moving there every month. The McDonald's is paying $15.00/hour because it just can't find workers.
North Dakota is the template for what Obama opposes. Detroit is the template for what Obama is striving to achieve for us all.
Has anyone heard of, seen, read anything about the Earthquakes, the ground water pollution and the horrors of Fracking that Obamabots are are complaining about from the haven of their parent's basements?
Wouldn't it be nice if this posturing, pontificating blow hard would just get the hell out of the way and let the American people do what the American people do?
Unemployed? Go to North Dakota - 1 - oil jobs & fracking - MSN Money
I guess you failed to read "you need to police it some" but you'd prefer a socialist wet dream like those in Eastern Europse, the middle east or Africa? Maybe you'd like to impose the nationalization of Venezuela to "insure" your prestine little environment isn't polluted? Yeah that's the ticket - look to the socialist left for policing environmental problems - check on China while your at it. What a truly horrible argument you make against capitalism. It is the only system that CARES one ounce about the environment and all you can do it trash it.
I'm not sure I follow your line of logic.
The last time there was not a Democrat Mayor in Detroit, John Kennedy was still President.
Since before Nixon was elected to his second term, there has been only one non-Democrat City Councilman elected by the good folks of Detroit.
In other words, the Democrat Party has governed this city for longer than most Americans have been alive.
You'll have to flesh out your meaning for me. I don't understand what it is you are saying.
Correct. Capitalism does care about the environment. And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where there is evidence of any capitalism in the konservative* states.
(* - synonym for taxpayers picking up the tab for massive environmental damage)
What we can take from this nonsense is, never trust a liberal to explain anything.Conservatism destroyed Detroit.
It did it by demanding public policies which sent good American manufacturing jobs offshore. It did it by attacking good American union jobs, jobs paying middle class wages to American workers. Now those jobs are in third world hellholes paying slave wages to workers who are so desperate they have no choice but working for slave wages.
If you want America to be a third world hellhole, vote for conservatives.
A Townhall fan. God help him, please.This version makes a helluva lot more sense:
5 Ways Liberalism Destroyed Detroit - John Hawkins - Page full
Conclusion: Never trust a liberal to explain anything.
Conservatism destroyed Detroit.
It did it by demanding public policies which sent good American manufacturing jobs offshore. It did it by attacking good American union jobs, jobs paying middle class wages to American workers. Now those jobs are in third world hellholes paying slave wages to workers who are so desperate they have no choice but working for slave wages.
If you want America to be a third world hellhole, vote for conservatives.
He is not fighting for anything, he is campaigning for something.
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