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Obama is definitely NOT a Marxist!

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Obama's policies are less akin to traditional Marxist Soviet style socialism and MUCH closer to those of his fellow socialists Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. Lenin and Stalin just stole all private property, particularly businesses, and had the STATE run ‘em. Our own experience with the post office or drivers license bureau etc. shows up what a huge error THIS is. Left the late unlamented Soviet Union a third world economic basket case Zaire with missiles. Come to think of it, socialism has never worked anywhere it’s been tried.

No instead, like Obama, the Fűhrer and his mentor the Duce didn’t make that error. Instead of actually taking over all business in Germany and Italy, the two socialists (National and Fascist) just TOOK CONTROL of ‘em. Yep, left the experienced effective private upper managers to handle the day to day and then the STATE told them what to do; what to produce, how much to produce, when to produce, where to produce (In this the SS was most helpful in providing labor to “serve”.) In the process both socialist leaders saw to it that every worker was in a compulsory union; in Germany is was the Arbeitsfront and in Italy Sindacato di Lavore (Italian name might be misspelled, speak German, Spanish, French but not Italian.) Just like what Andy Stern at the SEIU and his tool on the NLRB, Craig Becker want.

Not only THAT but the unions had a as much say in managing the company as management itself; vital matters like proper lavatory,
time and duration of wine/beer breaks, important stuff. Real control was in the hands of senior managers reporting to the state. Sort of like Obama’s handling of the banks, financial houses, GM, Chrysler and what he plans for the insurance industry.

Hitler and Mussolini didn’t need management experience. They’d been great “community organizers.” Like Obama they’d never managed anything, not so much as a lemonade stand but that was no drawback, both were recognized as brilliant. Like Obama, they got GREAT PRESS. Here it is CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN. There, great journalists of the same mould like Josef Göbbels and his less well known Italian counterparts Mario Arpelius and Virginio Gayda did a similar job.


After all, who could trust people who’d run businesses all their lives when such brilliant “community organizers” as Hitler and Mussolini were available. And really effective too (see Sturmabteilung Storm Troops, Fascio di Combattimento.) Boy could THEY organize! I’ll bet they’d have been a real hit with Rahm Emmanuel and his Chicago thugs, oh excuse me, street organizers. They use many of the same methods.

Schools were most helpful in teaching the nation’s children about really important issues. In Germany it was the world Jewish conspiracy. Italy had the restoration of the Roman Empire and today we have man-caused “climate change” (formerly called “global warming”.) It’s important that all kids up to date. Remember those teachers who were having children sing songs praising Obama? Right! New Germany and Dynamic Italy had theirs; “Adolf Hitler ist unser Erlöser” (Adolf Hitler is our Savior, see link) [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM"]YouTube- BARACK OBAMA KIDS AND HITLER YOUTH SING FOR THEIR LEADER[/nomedia] and the ever popular Italian “Giovinezza!” (Youth) sung by all good fascists. Yes the teachers were right in there working for hope and change.

Of course Obama is not the first American President to utilize the valuable policies of Fascist Italy. His NRA, National Recovery Act, and AAA, Agricultural Adjustment Administration were directly out of the Duce’s play book. Later he got a great idea from Hitler, the Civilian Conservation Corps. In Germany it was called “Arbeitdeinst” or labor service. Both got young people out of doors collectively doing important work. The Hitler version, unlike Roosevelt’s, was compulsory. FDR never got around to that. But not to worry. The Obama administration may just do it right. Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel favors compulsory national service, wrote a book about it, Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service
They’re not quite ready; other important priorities. But when one listens to Obama and his wife go on about “service,” we know where their hearts lie.

Besides, we already HAVE compulsory “service.” All over the country kids are being required to do compulsory “community service” in order to graduate high school. Universities too have adopted this. After all its “voluntary.” Kind of like Stalin’s “labor volunteers.” Remember Klaus Kinski’s “volunteer worker” scene in Dr. Zhivago? Gee, Obama did so well with “twentysomethings” in 2008, I’ll bet they’ll really LOVE this one.

Yes, I owe a huge apology to my left wing friends; calling Obama a Marxist like that. Positively HATE SPEECH. So now I’ve made my amends.
 
When I read the topic name I thought I was going to hear something intelligent, you set the bait and caught me, well played.
 
I think our new friend Bryan thinks that the more words he types, the more credible his 'argument' (if you can call it that) is.

Unfortunately, dear Bryan, you took a crap on logic and reason in your first sentence.

Better luck next time.:2wave:
 
I'm still waiting to see if he actually knows the difference between socialism and fascism.
 
I've been laughed at more than once on this forum for calling him a socialist-fascist hybrid.:mrgreen:
 
Can I call Godwins law on the OP?
 
I'm still waiting to see if he actually knows the difference between socialism and fascism.


Seems this is the type of posting often seen by you when someone produces anything close to what might actually be going on with our progressive government today...However, I don't recall you ever sharing your definitions of Marxism, or Fascism with the class....So Mr. "Private" Lean that fools no one, why not tell us if YOU know the difference by explaining exactly what both are, and why Obama is not using any of those tendencies to you?


j-mac
 
I think our new friend Bryan thinks that the more words he types, the more credible his 'argument' (if you can call it that) is.

Unfortunately, dear Bryan, you took a crap on logic and reason in your first sentence.

Better luck next time.:2wave:

Don't care for history or facts. I understand, leftists live in a fantasy world where such things don't matter any more than economic realities or reason.
 
Actually according to Ron Paul he is a Corporatist

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FLCQuuHn9o"]YouTube- Ron Paul: Obama is NOT a Socialist. Obama is a Corporatist![/nomedia]
 

And Paul is quite right. Do you know what a "Corporatist" IS? A socialist! "Corporatism" was Benito Mussilini's name for his particular brand of socialist economic planning. The word does not originate from "corporation", as I suspect you mistakenly thought, but from the Latin word "corporae", body. You see, the Duce saw the Italy's economy as a great big human body; the workers, peasants, the hands and feet, the army the arms, the propaganda ministry the voice etc. Guess who he saw as the BRAIN?

Corporatism is jist another name for fascist socialism. Perhaps you might have actually READ what Ron wrote. Would have been informative.
 
The only time that the U.S. ever became a fascist style economy was in WW2. Harnessing the industrial might of the U.S. to fight WW2 required private industry build whatever government armament planners directed. Civilian automobile production died and was switched to building tanks, trucks and airplanes. Even headlight manufacturing was re-purposed towards sub-machine guns.

Today, that isn't even close to the case. Obama doesn't even tell GM what to build, much less any significant portion of the America economy. Claiming that bailout= fascism is utterly absurd.

All over the country kids are being required to do compulsory “community service” in order to graduate high school. Universities too have adopted this. After all its “voluntary.” Kind of like Stalin’s “labor volunteers.”

That ranks as one of the most laughably dishonest comparisons ever made on this board.
 
The only time that the U.S. ever became a fascist style economy was in WW2. Harnessing the industrial might of the U.S. to fight WW2 required private industry build whatever government armament planners directed. Civilian automobile production died and was switched to building tanks, trucks and airplanes. Even headlight manufacturing was re-purposed towards sub-machine guns.

Today, that isn't even close to the case. Obama doesn't even tell GM what to build, much less any significant portion of the America economy. Claiming that bailout= fascism is utterly absurd.



That ranks as one of the most laughably dishonest comparisons ever made on this board.

Involuntary servitude is involuntary servitude; ie. SLAVERY. The state has NO right to force anybody to do any sort of "community service" that the do-gooders want to impose "for thier own good." Personally, I'd much rather my kid were working after school, learning work skills, responibility, and dicipline; do a helluva lot more for "society" flipping burgers than statist make work.

I think that the Institute for Justice has filed several suits to stop this abuse; working their way to the Supreme Court.
 
Obama's policies are less akin to traditional Marxist Soviet style socialism and MUCH closer to those of his fellow socialists Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. Lenin and Stalin just stole all private property, particularly businesses, and had the STATE run ‘em. Our own experience with the post office or drivers license bureau etc. shows up what a huge error THIS is. Left the late unlamented Soviet Union a third world economic basket case Zaire with missiles. Come to think of it, socialism has never worked anywhere it’s been tried.

No instead, like Obama, the Fűhrer and his mentor the Duce didn’t make that error. Instead of actually taking over all business in Germany and Italy, the two socialists (National and Fascist) just TOOK CONTROL of ‘em. Yep, left the experienced effective private upper managers to handle the day to day and then the STATE told them what to do; what to produce, how much to produce, when to produce, where to produce (In this the SS was most helpful in providing labor to “serve”.) In the process both socialist leaders saw to it that every worker was in a compulsory union; in Germany is was the Arbeitsfront and in Italy Sindacato di Lavore (Italian name might be misspelled, speak German, Spanish, French but not Italian.) Just like what Andy Stern at the SEIU and his tool on the NLRB, Craig Becker want.

Not only THAT but the unions had a as much say in managing the company as management itself; vital matters like proper lavatory,
time and duration of wine/beer breaks, important stuff. Real control was in the hands of senior managers reporting to the state. Sort of like Obama’s handling of the banks, financial houses, GM, Chrysler and what he plans for the insurance industry.

Hitler and Mussolini didn’t need management experience. They’d been great “community organizers.” Like Obama they’d never managed anything, not so much as a lemonade stand but that was no drawback, both were recognized as brilliant. Like Obama, they got GREAT PRESS. Here it is CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN. There, great journalists of the same mould like Josef Göbbels and his less well known Italian counterparts Mario Arpelius and Virginio Gayda did a similar job.


After all, who could trust people who’d run businesses all their lives when such brilliant “community organizers” as Hitler and Mussolini were available. And really effective too (see Sturmabteilung Storm Troops, Fascio di Combattimento.) Boy could THEY organize! I’ll bet they’d have been a real hit with Rahm Emmanuel and his Chicago thugs, oh excuse me, street organizers. They use many of the same methods.

Schools were most helpful in teaching the nation’s children about really important issues. In Germany it was the world Jewish conspiracy. Italy had the restoration of the Roman Empire and today we have man-caused “climate change” (formerly called “global warming”.) It’s important that all kids up to date. Remember those teachers who were having children sing songs praising Obama? Right! New Germany and Dynamic Italy had theirs; “Adolf Hitler ist unser Erlöser” (Adolf Hitler is our Savior, see link) YouTube- BARACK OBAMA KIDS AND HITLER YOUTH SING FOR THEIR LEADER and the ever popular Italian “Giovinezza!” (Youth) sung by all good fascists. Yes the teachers were right in there working for hope and change.

Of course Obama is not the first American President to utilize the valuable policies of Fascist Italy. His NRA, National Recovery Act, and AAA, Agricultural Adjustment Administration were directly out of the Duce’s play book. Later he got a great idea from Hitler, the Civilian Conservation Corps. In Germany it was called “Arbeitdeinst” or labor service. Both got young people out of doors collectively doing important work. The Hitler version, unlike Roosevelt’s, was compulsory. FDR never got around to that. But not to worry. The Obama administration may just do it right. Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel favors compulsory national service, wrote a book about it, Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service
They’re not quite ready; other important priorities. But when one listens to Obama and his wife go on about “service,” we know where their hearts lie.

Besides, we already HAVE compulsory “service.” All over the country kids are being required to do compulsory “community service” in order to graduate high school. Universities too have adopted this. After all its “voluntary.” Kind of like Stalin’s “labor volunteers.” Remember Klaus Kinski’s “volunteer worker” scene in Dr. Zhivago? Gee, Obama did so well with “twentysomethings” in 2008, I’ll bet they’ll really LOVE this one.

Yes, I owe a huge apology to my left wing friends; calling Obama a Marxist like that. Positively HATE SPEECH. So now I’ve made my amends.

I looked carefully for any claims about Obama in this rant. Here's what I found:

1. GM and bank management report directly to Obama. Uh, no.
2. Hitler and Mussolini were "community organizers." Wow. And Obama used thugs and violence to organize. Sure, whatever you say. :roll:
3. Rahm Emmanuel favors compulsory national service - well, so do many conservatives, and he's not Obama.
4. Community service requirements for graduation is evil socialism. No response necessary.

:2wave:
 
Seems this is the type of posting often seen by you when someone produces anything close to what might actually be going on with our progressive government today...However, I don't recall you ever sharing your definitions of Marxism, or Fascism with the class....So Mr. "Private" Lean that fools no one, why not tell us if YOU know the difference by explaining exactly what both are, and why Obama is not using any of those tendencies to you?


j-mac

Well, I asked BryanKDonnelly first, and I don't want to spoil it. I truly am interested to hear from him what he believes the difference between fascism and socialism is. As soon as he gives us his definition of those terms, I'll give mine.

And way to go with asking me to prove a negative. I'll prove how Obama is not using any fascist or socialist tendencies on me as soon as you prove that Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990.
 
Well, I asked BryanKDonnelly first, and I don't want to spoil it. I truly am interested to hear from him what he believes the difference between fascism and socialism is. As soon as he gives us his definition of those terms, I'll give mine.

And way to go with asking me to prove a negative. I'll prove how Obama is not using any fascist or socialist tendencies on me as soon as you prove that Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990.


heh, heh....touche! So you fall prey to internet blather, and because it is something you'd love to believe, then you think it is an intellectually honest argument to throw it out there as if it should even be recognized as the same thing?

I'll be looking forward to your explanation of Fascism, and Socialism whenever you decide to enlighten us...


j-mac

ps. Just so you have it at your finger tips:

A baseless rumor insinuating that Fox News pundit Glenn Beck may be guilty of rape and murder is spreading rapidly online thanks to a loose-knit gang of Internet pranksters whose stated mission is to skewer the bombastic talk show host using his own methods.

Their exploits are chronicled on a two-day-old website, GlennBeckRapedAndMurderedAYoungGirlIn1990.com.

"This site exists to try and help examine the vicious rumour that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990," reads a blurb at the top of the home page. "Why won't Glenn Beck deny these allegations?"

Don't miss the fine print at the bottom:

Notice: This site is parody/satire. We assume Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990, although we haven't yet seen proof that he didn't. But we think Glenn Beck definitely uses tactics like this to spread lies and misinformation.

Regardless whether or not Mr. Beck himself is guilty of using all these tactics, the website is a veritable textbook on how to construct Internet smear campaigns

http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/200...nn-beck-raped-murdered-young-girl-in-1990.htm
 
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heh, heh....touche! So you fall prey to internet blather, and because it is something you'd love to believe, then you think it is an intellectually honest argument to throw it out there as if it should even be recognized as the same thing?

This isn't anything new to me, j-mac. I know that the accusation of Glenn Beck raping and murdering a girl in 1990 is internet blather. Just as I know that accusations of Obama being a socialist-marxist-fascist is the same.
 
This isn't anything new to me, j-mac. I know that the accusation of Glenn Beck raping and murdering a girl in 1990 is internet blather. Just as I know that accusations of Obama being a socialist-marxist-fascist is the same.


How then would you describe the recent actions of his administration, coupled with the appointments of those around him who have a tendency to lean toward Marxism as a better system?


j-mac
 
How then would you describe the recent actions of his administration, coupled with the appointments of those around him who have a tendency to lean toward Marxism as a better system?

As not so different from what G.W. Bush did during his administration.
 
But I thought this was the 'Hope, and Change' guy? Isn't that what most people voted for?

People vote for many reasons. Some voted for Hope and Change. Others voted because it's better than the alternative. Others voted for different reasons.
 
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