Obama Gives Yet Another Speech

[Mycroft]

No tactic involved, just stating a fact I feel the fault lies with the republicans not wanting to compromise on raising taxes on the 1% And the people agree.

Fault? Do you think anyone in government cares about fault? (except, of course, to publicly avoid responsibility) They are more concerned with success and failure. And, whether they speak about it publicly or not, they reward failure appropriately.

Of course, Boehner will reap the rewards of his failure as well, but the discussion I'm having with Dooble (that you jumped into) is about Obama's failure...not Boehner's.

I'll provisionally concede that you are not using the tactic of deflection because it appears that you don't know what the conversation is about. It's akin to you being near a couple of people of people who are talking about the chemical composition of the atmosphere and, when you heard one of them mention the word "sky", you jumped in with "but of course, the sky is blue".

 

[jonny5]

Fault? Do you think anyone in government cares about fault? (except, of course, to publicly avoid responsibility) They are more concerned with success and failure. And, whether they speak about it publicly or not, they reward failure appropriately.

Of course, Boehner will reap the rewards of his failure as well, but the discussion I'm having with Dooble (that you jumped into) is about Obama's failure...not Boehner's.

I'll provisionally concede that you are not using the tactic of deflection because it appears that you don't know what the conversation is about. It's akin to you being near a couple of people of people who are talking about the chemical composition of the atmosphere and, when you heard one of them mention the word "sky", you jumped in with "but of course, the sky is blue".

Im not even worried about the Obama, other than he keeps opening his mouth. The President doesnt have any power here other than to approve, and Obama will approve whatever congress passes. The major problem is his failure as defacto democrat leader to push his minions in the Senate to do anything. Thats where the only problem is. The Senate. and it has been for 6 years now.

 

[Mycroft]

Im not even worried about the Obama, other than he keeps opening his mouth. The President doesnt have any power here other than to approve, and Obama will approve whatever congress passes. The major problem is his failure as defacto democrat leader to push his minions in the Senate to do anything. Thats where the only problem is. The Senate. and it has been for 6 years now.

I agree that the Senate Democrats have essentially done nothing, which is a shame because they are virtually half of our legislative process, but don't be fooled into thinking that Obama has no power other than to approve. And don't think he has failed by not pushing the Senate to do anything.

1. Obama is quite powerful in that he is the one the Republicans must deal with.

2. The actions...or I should say the inactions...of the Senate Democrats is not a failure on their part. It is part of their (the Democrats...including Obama) strategy.

 

[jonny5]

I agree that the Senate Democrats have essentially done nothing, which is a shame because they are virtually half of our legislative process, but don't be fooled into thinking that Obama has no power other than to approve. And don't think he has failed by not pushing the Senate to do anything.

1. Obama is quite powerful in that he is the one the Republicans must deal with.

2. The actions...or I should say the inactions...of the Senate Democrats is not a failure on their part. It is part of their (the Democrats...including Obama) strategy.

They dont have to deal with him. He will sign whatever congress passes. If he wants something he has to get congress to pass it first. Republicans would be best served by saying "we will work something out with the Senate" and ignore Obama.

 

[Mycroft]

They dont have to deal with him. He will sign whatever congress passes. If he wants something he has to get congress to pass it first. Republicans would be best served by saying "we will work something out with the Senate" and ignore Obama.

Oh, I agree with your last statement. I think the Republicans are making a mistake by playing the Democrat's game.

The problem they have, though, is that the Senate Democrats won't negotiate with them. They want the Republicans to have to deal with Obama.

 

[Carleen]

Fault? Do you think anyone in government cares about fault? (except, of course, to publicly avoid responsibility) They are more concerned with success and failure. And, whether they speak about it publicly or not, they reward failure appropriately.

Of course, Boehner will reap the rewards of his failure as well, but the discussion I'm having with Dooble (that you jumped into) is about Obama's failure...not Boehner's.

I'll provisionally concede that you are not using the tactic of deflection because it appears that you don't know what the conversation is about. It's akin to you being near a couple of people of people who are talking about the chemical composition of the atmosphere and, when you heard one of them mention the word "sky", you jumped in with "but of course, the sky is blue".

Government is all about fault. One side blaming the other. That is what politics has become and why nothing gets done.

 

[Mycroft]

Government is all about fault. One side blaming the other. That is what politics has become and why nothing gets done.

Oh, for sure...at least from the Democrat side.

But Obama isn't worried about being found at fault. He's got that covered. He's worried about how his fellow Democrats will react if he blows this thing.

 

[Lord of Planar]

President Obama says he wants a balanced approach in terms of taxes and spending cuts. But I only hear about taxes. Where are his spending cuts to balance the scale? A balanced scale does not lean to one side, unless that is the new PC definition of balanced.

My understand if this is that the democrats will not say what they will accept to be cut. For that reason, I think the bill the house passed is the right approach. I would have done something a little different, but they can tell the democrat controlled senate to modify the bill and send it back to the house, with the cuts they will accept. We already know the senate will play with the top marginal bracket, and when the return the bill to the House, the republicans simply vote it down, because there are no cuts added in it. Or, the senate can pass the bill as-is.

 

[Carleen]

Oh, for sure...at least from the Democrat side.

But Obama isn't worried about being found at fault. He's got that covered. He's worried about how his fellow Democrats will react if he blows this thing.

Boehner can't get any support from his own people for any kind of a deal

 

[Mycroft]

Boehner can't get any support from his own people for any kind of a deal

That's not true at all.

He just can't get support for any deal that would be acceptable to Obama.

 

[Carleen]

That's not true at all.

He just can't get support for any deal that would be acceptable to Obama.

The did not pass plan B which was Boehner's plan.

 

[rocket88]

On the radio, every single newscast, no matter what station, begins with a statement from Obama or they play a portion of a speech by Obama. It's like the North Koreans with their constant worship of Dear Leader.

Yeah, that's it. That's the only reason anybody listens to the POTUS. :roll:

Dear Leader died a couple of years ago, BTW.

 

[Mycroft]

The did not pass plan B which was Boehner's plan.

So what?

Plan B wasn't acceptable to Obama anyway.

 

[jonny5]

Oh, I agree with your last statement. I think the Republicans are making a mistake by playing the Democrat's game.

The problem they have, though, is that the Senate Democrats won't negotiate with them. They want the Republicans to have to deal with Obama.

Right, so they have to stop. Let the Dems fail.

 

[jonny5]

Boehner can't get any support from his own people for any kind of a deal

They already passed a bill extending the tax cuts for 100%. But democrats want to hold tax cuts for 98% hostage to try and punish 2%.

 

[Mycroft]

Right, so they have to stop. Let the Dems fail.

Though I am perfectly willing to accept seeing the Republicans stop, it won't happen.

If they do, Obama will paint this as being the Republican's fault and the public will believe him.

My suggestion for the Republicans is to go through the motions but do not agree to a deal before January. Immediately after January 1, they pass a bill to reduce taxes on everyone earning below $1 million. Let the Senate decide what they'll do and move on from there.

 

[azgreg]

Though I am perfectly willing to accept seeing the Republicans stop, it won't happen.

If they do, Obama will paint this as being the Republican's fault and the public will believe him.

My suggestion for the Republicans is to go through the motions but do not agree to a deal before January. Immediately after January 1, they pass a bill to reduce taxes on everyone earning below $1 million. Let the Senate decide what they'll do and move on from there.

I agree. They have to make the Democrats react. Either make the Senate vote on a bill or bitch long and loud when Reid stuffs it in the drawer.

 

[Born Free]

Though I am perfectly willing to accept seeing the Republicans stop, it won't happen.

If they do, Obama will paint this as being the Republican's fault and the public will believe him.

My suggestion for the Republicans is to go through the motions but do not agree to a deal before January. Immediately after January 1, they pass a bill to reduce taxes on everyone earning below $1 million. Let the Senate decide what they'll do and move on from there.

Does it really matter what he does or how he paints them. I guess I don't buy into that picture. The Pub's have to tell the American people there are three branches of government. We were elected to the house to cut spending and that is exactly what we are going to do. And if the people don't want that then come 2014 they can vote them out, and bring back a democrat congress. Then the tax, borrow, spend, and freebees will really begin. Our national debt will soar to heights unimaginable, but you can't stop what a welfare / nanny state offers. It's sad but our country has become dependent on entitlements and freebees, and they want more, not less entitlements.

 

[Mycroft]

Does it really matter what he does or how he paints them. I guess I don't buy into that picture. The Pub's have to tell the American people there are three branches of government. We were elected to the house to cut spending and that is exactly what we are going to do. And if the people don't want that then come 2014 they can vote them out, and bring back a democrat congress. Then the tax, borrow, spend, and freebees will really begin. Our national debt will soar to heights unimaginable, but you can't stop what a welfare / nanny state offers. It's sad but our country has become dependent on entitlements and freebees, and they want more, not less entitlements.

I don't believe in giving up.

 

[Born Free]

I don't believe in giving up.

The pubs are not giving up by standing on principal. I don't care what Obama wants to say or try to pin on the Pubs. The Pubs standing up and saying we're going to cut spending and we don't give a damn what Obama says. That's what I want top see. What I do see is them giving up and not standing up. If the Pubs don't stop Obama spending machine now, it's over. The people have already switched to an entitlement and breebee driven society.

 

[BigRedChief]

No tactic involved, just stating a fact I feel the fault lies with the republicans not wanting to compromise on raising taxes on the 1% And the people agree.

I don't get the Republicans some times. Why can't they just take 98% of what they want and declare victory?

 

[BigRedChief]

The pubs are not giving up by standing on principal. I don't care what Obama wants to say or try to pin on the Pubs. The Pubs standing up and saying we're going to cut spending and we don't give a damn what Obama says. That's what I want top see. What I do see is them giving up and not standing up. If the Pubs don't stop Obama spending machine now, it's over. The people have already switched to an entitlement and breebee driven society.

Remember the Pubs summer Presidential debates. Every Presidential candidate said no to a 10-1 ratio of spending cuts/revenue increase. Now the pubs will be lucky to get a 1-1 ratio. If you immediately go nuclear and don't kill your target. Don't expect good results.

 

[iguanaman]

I don't get the Republicans some times. Why can't they just take 98% of what they want and declare victory?

You don't get it. They would raise taxes on the 98% to keep those tax cuts for the top 2% in a heartbeat . All their donors will bail if their rates go up and they could have stopped it. I expect the T's will not vote to lower the taxes on 98% in January either for that same reason. The Dems won't need those votes becasue Bohner will have to let the measure go to a vote and it will pass.

 

[Muddy Creek]

Just now, on the fiscal cliff. Blah blah, balanced approach. Yada Yada, wealthiest need to pay more. And so on and so on. Same canned speech he always gives, never takes responsibility for his party not submitting a single bill to change anything. Tells everyone else to get to work, while he goes off to play golf. And then never takes questions. Yawn.

Ah, but they have. See, if all you watch is FOX opinions, all you'll be is misinformed.

 

[jonny5]

Though I am perfectly willing to accept seeing the Republicans stop, it won't happen.

If they do, Obama will paint this as being the Republican's fault and the public will believe him.

My suggestion for the Republicans is to go through the motions but do not agree to a deal before January. Immediately after January 1, they pass a bill to reduce taxes on everyone earning below $1 million. Let the Senate decide what they'll do and move on from there.

That would be bad for the country, and thus bad for Republicans.