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Obama Gives Yet Another Speech

You mean lie?

Fail to lead?

Take his tax-payer salary to put on meaningless little political theater plays?

The Sunday Op-eds are going to destroy Boehner. Conservative pundits have already be ripping him a new one.

This is disastrous for the GOP brand. The perception is they are incapable of governing.

Speaking of governing, Obama has raised the national debt by 6 trillion in just 4 yrs. And is well on his way of increasing it another 4+ trillion in the next 4 yrs. For a grand total of 10+ trillion in just 8 yrs, which is more than all the presidents before him combined. Now that is governing.
 
Can't see it; if that happens the GOP is going to take a big bite in the next election. :twocents:

Maybe, but the voting population has a short memory and all the GOP has to do is turn the message 6 months before the mid-terms.
 
CNN Poll: Are GOP policies too extreme? This is something that I have known now for quite a while--just look at last election.

What? What is something you've known for quite a while? Can't you speak for yourself, why do you need to link me to the opinion of others, when in fact, that's all it is, and not completely reflective of the nations attitudes. If anything, it reflects slightly more than 50% of their attitudes. Sad as it is, a lot of Americans have no idea how really bad off we are as a nation for our fiscal, and monetary policies over the last 50 years, but especially over the last 25. Even if we did a complete about face, unemployment was virtually nil, business was booming, budgets were balanced, we wouldn't begin to start paying off our debt until we have a true surplus. No fake ones like Clintons/Gingrich, but a real surplus where we are balancing our budget, money is rolling in, social programs are becomming solevant again, and we're paying into principle debt until at least 50 years from now. That's right now how it is, and if everything magically was perfect again this is what we're looking at. Do you honestly believe for a second that the rosy picture above is happening anytime soon?

I sure as hell don't!


Tim-
 
Maybe, but the voting population has a short memory and all the GOP has to do is turn the message 6 months before the mid-terms.
You would think so, but I can't see them doing that now--especially seeing that the GOP can't agree on their own plan to give to Obama and Boehner losing control as captain at the wheel.
 
You would think so, but I can't see them doing that now--especially seeing that the GOP can't agree on their own plan to give to Obama and Boehner losing control as captain at the wheel.

I don't disagree at this point with the GOP constantly stepping on their c***ks at evey turn. I don't see Boehner being the Speaker for very long, and there is plenty of time for the GOP to turn it around.
 
You mean like what John Boehner and the Republicans are doing right now with PlanB ? And I must say that I remember seeing Obama answer questions about the fiscal cliff during his press conference while Boehner made a statement than exited stage right.

The exact opposite. Republicans have proposed several solutions, passed a budget, passed an permanenet extension of all tax rates, and backed up their talk with action. Obama goes out to rallies and blames everyone else, tells them to get to work and then literally hops a plane to hawaii.
 
Meanwhile in the Republican controlled House of Representatives Boehner can't keep his minions in line like the good ol' days of Delay. I'd opine the Republicans are desperate, and in disarry.

Now if I recall the 'conservatives' outrage over the Democratically controlled Congress a few years back and now it is the Republicans who can't get their own party to agree on anything to avoid the fiscal cliff.

Much more difficult to lead rather than sit in the back throwing spitballs. The House needs to get itself in order.

At least theyre trying. Democrats have offered nothing. The Senate has passed exactly two bills in December, one to INCREASE defense spending, and one regarding trade with Moldova.
 
Republicans have proposed several solutions, passed a budget,
Really? What was the walkout, after debating in the basement, all about--lets go out for pizza?
 
President Obama says he wants a balanced approach in terms of taxes and spending cuts. But I only hear about taxes. Where are his spending cuts to balance the scale? A balanced scale does not lean to one side, unless that is the new PC definition of balanced.

The cuts in spending make use of base-line budgeting. The ten years of spending increases, which are projected in the system is considered the baseline. If you cut from the baseline, spending still goes up, but not as much as originally projected. As an example, today we will spend $100 on food. Tomorrow I think I will need to spend $200, base on projections. If cut spending by 50% I will only spend $150. The deficit increases. It is game.

Maybe we need baseline taxing, so revenue can play the same game. For example, today tax is $100. Tomorrow I want a tax decrease of $50. If we only give a tax decrease of $25 that is a tax increase of 50%.

I think spending should be cut first, tax will follow 1 to 1. This is a balanced approach. If we do basline budgeting we also do baseline taxing. If spending cuts are real, tax becomes real; real instead of PC balanced.
 
Oh, he has a lot to lose.

He's put himself in a position that ensures...if he doesn't look good coming out of this whole thing...that he'll effectively be a lame duck for the rest of his term. None of his supporters will have any more confidence in him. If he thinks he has a hard time with the Democrats in Congress now...just watch what happens if he screws this thing up.

Speaking of the Democrats in Congress...if Obama chokes on this fiscal cliff thing, they will have to finally get off their asses and take charge. They really aren't used to doing that kind of stuff anymore.

Yet Obama's approval rating is at its highest ever. As for Boehner, it's at its lowest. So guess who the american people are blaming?
 
Yet Obama's approval rating is at its highest ever. As for Boehner, it's at its lowest. So guess who the american people are blaming?

Approval rating has nothing to do with what I said in my post. I am talking about the people in government.

Boehner also has nothing to do with my post...but I understand your need to attempt to deflect to him. It's just not a very effective tactic when dealing with me.
 
Yet Obama's approval rating is at its highest ever. As for Boehner, it's at its lowest. So guess who the american people are blaming?

You are solubility right, we have become a Welfare / Nanny State, and the people want more entitlements and freebees. Used to be we were self reliant and took responsibility, not anymore, we rely on entitlements and freebees. Notice sense WWII Liberals have enacted entitlement after entitlement and pushed freebees. Why would anyone not want that? The big problem is the national debt but who cares about that? Surly not the majority of Americans, that is why Obama's approval rating is higher then ever. The Candy Man, Santa Claus, all rolled into one.
 
Yet Obama's approval rating is at its highest ever. As for Boehner, it's at its lowest. So guess who the american people are blaming?

Obama got 4 million less votes in 2012 as in 2008, the republican nominee got the same. Thats a real poll.
 
There was no walkout on the budget that was passed. Thats why it PASSED.
You can't persuade me or the Washington Post of that.

Who had the worst week in Washington? House Speaker John Boehner.
By Chris Cillizza, Published: December 21

When you make a public threat, you’d better be able to back it up.

John Boehner learned that lesson the hardest way possible this past week. On Wednesday, the House speaker publicly promised that he and his colleagues would pass legislation preserving the current tax rates for everyone earning less than $1 million. On Thursday, Boehner failed to even get the bill to the House floor — admitting in a news release that the legislation simply lacked the votes to be passed.

Gut punch.

Boehner had believed that the best way to rally his side — and gain some much-needed leverage in the “fiscal cliff” debate with President Obama — would be to stage a show of strength in the House. But as Thursday wore on, it became clear that a revolt from conservatives, many of whom saw voting for any tax increase as anathema, was on and that Boehner was powerless to stop it. Now the House is out of session until after Christmas, not leaving much time for a bipartisan compromise before the Dec. 31 deadline.

As the vote went down before it even came up, one message came through loud and clear: Boehner doesn’t have control of his conference. Politically speaking, that’s a tough reality to recover from.

John Boehner, for writing a check that your speakership couldn’t cash, you had the worst week in Washington. Congrats, or something.
 
Approval rating has nothing to do with what I said in my post. I am talking about the people in government.

Boehner also has nothing to do with my post...but I understand your need to attempt to deflect to him. It's just not a very effective tactic when dealing with me.

No tactic involved, just stating a fact I feel the fault lies with the republicans not wanting to compromise on raising taxes on the 1% And the people agree.
 
Obama got 4 million less votes in 2012 as in 2008, the republican nominee got the same. Thats a real poll.

That is a past poll. Mine is current. Just sayin.
 
It sounded to me like he's getting desperate.

He just lost his only Republican negotiator, it has become clear that Bohner has no power over his caucus to make any deals. It looks like the House will be passing Reids bill in January to cut taxes for the 98%. Either that or commit suicide by letting everyones taxes go up.
 
He just lost his only Republican negotiator, it has become clear that Bohner has no power over his caucus to make any deals. It looks like the House will be passing Reids bill in January to cut taxes for the 98%. Either that or commit suicide by letting everyones taxes go up.

Suicide is allowing liberals to frame it that way. Republicans have already passed a bill keeping taxes low for 100%. No need to do anything else. When people ask why taxes went up, Republicans can say, 'because you voted for democrats.'
 
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