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Obama for strict gun control....

This is another reason why Obama will win. :lol:

In poll after poll, most American want more gun control.
 
This is another reason why Obama will win. :lol:

In poll after poll, most American want more gun control.

Your cracked if you really truly believe that. If criminals know that the civilian populace is armed, they are less motivated to mess with people.
 
The Democrats have clarified on the issue of private gun ownership. We will be allowed to keep shotguns unless the state or local government also wants to outlaw those too.
 
The Democrats have clarified on the issue of private gun ownership. We will be allowed to keep shotguns unless the state or local government also wants to outlaw those too.

Which democrats are kind enough to let us keep shotguns?
 
Never mind that every non-partisan watchdog-type group I have seen has debunked the NRA's stances and statements on Obama or anything silly like that...
 
The ONLY valid reason there might be out there for stricter gun control is to curtail dangerous criminals. Does anyone think these lowlife pieces of **** give a **** whether or not we enact stricter gun laws or not? They could care less.

Stricter control would only be recognized and abided by, by law abiding citizens and THEY are not the reason for the attempts to gain stricter control.

So, the attempts are pointless.
 
I registered an account solely for this thread. Just letting that be known.

First of all, it does seem like this thread was designed for nothing more than troll-bait. It features a youtube video in which a couple quotes from Sen. Obama are meshed together and connected by the most concrete of adhesives (obviously) the -> .... <- Yeah, I love to trust those.

It's a controversial issue that is often times bickered about for no REAL reason as neither side has yet to propose a solution that seems rational. On one hand you've got the "outspoken" liberals who want to fight crime by taking the guns and throwing them in lockboxes (sarcasm) and on the other hand you've got the outspoken conservatives who want nothing more than to get more guns into the hands of more people as often as possible! (also sarcasm) It's a never-ending struggle of who's right and who is going against the constitution and who is misinterpreting said constitution.


Second of all. To think that any one man in America would be able to completely remove ANY aspect of your life is ludicrous. People know this yet they still like to use scare tactics to round up voters from one corner and place them in their own. Enough with the B.S. guys (both parties) there is no reasonable explenation for white lying to achieve your goals.

Third of all. I am pro gun control in some aspects, but let me make it clear to you. I've got enough firearms to supply a small militia. I enjoy my firearms and practice every bit of gun safety available. When my sons are old enough I will teach them about guns as well. Not just the fun but the dangers too.

I do now however, believe that not every civilian needs an assault weapon of any kind. Fully metal jacketed rounds have NO justification for public use. Large caliber rifles made for killing people and nothing else ALSO have NO justification. No "Joe Six Pack" needs a hand Grenade or an AK47. There is just absolutely no reason as to why someone could "need" that kind of weapon outside of our military. (And for those of you who want to bring up the Thomas Jefferson quote in which he cites that "Every so often the people need to rise up against the Government to remind them where the power lies." Let me ask you this. Is your AK47 going to pierce a tank? Or better yet. Do you have a tank or have enough money for one? Do you also have enough anti-aircraft weaponry to fend off an air-strike? How about a defense capable of withstanding a Nuclear war? No? Well then what is that AK going to do that a semi-automatic hunting rifle coud not be decent at as well?

Anyways, I just thought I would say hello and let you all know that I've been enjoying your debates anonymously for some time now and I thought it may be an appropriate time for me to join in. The only regret I have is that under "Political Preference" there is no section for "American".

Thank you.
-Shewter-
 
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It is particularly common this election season for people to pretend they are Republican or pro-gun rights etc thinking their pitch is then more persuasive.

BUT THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES:

* Obama voted to ban hundreds of rifles and shotguns commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
Illinois Senate, SB 1195, 3/13/03

* Obama endorsed a ban on all handguns
Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/96
Politico, 03/31/08.

* Obama voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm for self-defense in their homes
Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04

* Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500 percent
Chicago Defender, 12/13/99

* Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
United States Senate, S. 397, vote 217, 7/29/05

* Obama opposes Right-to-Carry laws
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 4/2/08, Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04
 
There is just absolutely no reason as to why someone could "need" that kind of weapon outside of our military.

Revolution.

(And for those of you who want to bring up the Thomas Jefferson quote in which he cites that "Every so often the people need to rise up against the Government to remind them where the power lies." Let me ask you this. Is your AK47 going to pierce a tank? Or better yet. Do you have a tank or have enough money for one? Do you also have enough anti-aircraft weaponry to fend off an air-strike? How about a defense capable of withstanding a Nuclear war? No?

I know, cause our military has completely beat down all terrorist activity when they don't have on the whole access to this stuff either...oh wait...
 
I registered an account solely for this thread. Just letting that be known.

First of all, it does seem like this thread was designed for nothing more than troll-bait. It features a youtube video in which a couple quotes from Sen. Obama are meshed together and connected by the most concrete of adhesives (obviously) the -> .... <- Yeah, I love to trust those.

It's a controversial issue that is often times bickered about for no REAL reason as neither side has yet to propose a solution that seems rational. On one hand you've got the "outspoken" liberals who want to fight crime by taking the guns and throwing them in lockboxes (sarcasm) and on the other hand you've got the outspoken conservatives who want nothing more than to get more guns into the hands of more people as often as possible! (also sarcasm) It's a never-ending struggle of who's right and who is going against the constitution and who is misinterpreting said constitution.


Second of all. To think that any one man in America would be able to completely remove ANY aspect of your life is ludicrous. People know this yet they still like to use scare tactics to round up voters from one corner and place them in their own. Enough with the B.S. guys (both parties) there is no reasonable explenation for white lying to achieve your goals.

Third of all. I am pro gun control in some aspects, but let me make it clear to you. I've got enough firearms to supply a small militia. I enjoy my firearms and practice every bit of gun safety available. When my sons are old enough I will teach them about guns as well. Not just the fun but the dangers too.

I do now however, believe that not every civilian needs an assault weapon of any kind. Fully metal jacketed rounds have NO justification for public use. Large caliber rifles made for killing people and nothing else ALSO have NO justification. No "Joe Six Pack" needs a hand Grenade or an AK47. There is just absolutely no reason as to why someone could "need" that kind of weapon outside of our military. (And for those of you who want to bring up the Thomas Jefferson quote in which he cites that "Every so often the people need to rise up against the Government to remind them where the power lies." Let me ask you this. Is your AK47 going to pierce a tank? Or better yet. Do you have a tank or have enough money for one? Do you also have enough anti-aircraft weaponry to fend off an air-strike? How about a defense capable of withstanding a Nuclear war? No? Well then what is that AK going to do that a semi-automatic hunting rifle coud not be decent at as well?

Anyways, I just thought I would say hello and let you all know that I've been enjoying your debates anonymously for some time now and I thought it may be an appropriate time for me to join in. The only regret I have is that under "Political Preference" there is no section for "American".

Thank you.
-Shewter-
Oh okay, but yet you have enough firearms to supply a militia...but with what....shotguns, BB guns, pellet guns, Cal .22 shorts? I'm sure you have nothing that could be considered "military" after your diatribe against "Joe Sixpack", right? So you really don't have anything a militia would want, isn't that correct?
 
I registered an account solely for this thread. Just letting that be known.

First of all, it does seem like this thread was designed for nothing more than troll-bait. It features a youtube video in which a couple quotes from Sen. Obama are meshed together and connected by the most concrete of adhesives (obviously) the -> .... <- Yeah, I love to trust those.

It's a controversial issue that is often times bickered about for no REAL reason as neither side has yet to propose a solution that seems rational. On one hand you've got the "outspoken" liberals who want to fight crime by taking the guns and throwing them in lockboxes (sarcasm) and on the other hand you've got the outspoken conservatives who want nothing more than to get more guns into the hands of more people as often as possible! (also sarcasm) It's a never-ending struggle of who's right and who is going against the constitution and who is misinterpreting said constitution.


Second of all. To think that any one man in America would be able to completely remove ANY aspect of your life is ludicrous. People know this yet they still like to use scare tactics to round up voters from one corner and place them in their own. Enough with the B.S. guys (both parties) there is no reasonable explenation for white lying to achieve your goals.

Third of all. I am pro gun control in some aspects, but let me make it clear to you. I've got enough firearms to supply a small militia. I enjoy my firearms and practice every bit of gun safety available. When my sons are old enough I will teach them about guns as well. Not just the fun but the dangers too.

I do now however, believe that not every civilian needs an assault weapon of any kind. Fully metal jacketed rounds have NO justification for public use. Large caliber rifles made for killing people and nothing else ALSO have NO justification. No "Joe Six Pack" needs a hand Grenade or an AK47. There is just absolutely no reason as to why someone could "need" that kind of weapon outside of our military. (And for those of you who want to bring up the Thomas Jefferson quote in which he cites that "Every so often the people need to rise up against the Government to remind them where the power lies." Let me ask you this. Is your AK47 going to pierce a tank? Or better yet. Do you have a tank or have enough money for one? Do you also have enough anti-aircraft weaponry to fend off an air-strike? How about a defense capable of withstanding a Nuclear war? No? Well then what is that AK going to do that a semi-automatic hunting rifle coud not be decent at as well?

Anyways, I just thought I would say hello and let you all know that I've been enjoying your debates anonymously for some time now and I thought it may be an appropriate time for me to join in. The only regret I have is that under "Political Preference" there is no section for "American".

Thank you.
-Shewter-





You say you have enough guns to supply a militia, and that you are not anti-gun, but then you talk all sorts of ignorant about weapons, Rounds, lethality, and "need".


I can kill you a lot deader from further away with my remington 700 hunting rifle than I can with my m4 type carbine.


in otherwords I call BS on your gun ownership.l
 
Does he realize how inaccurate an AK-47 (the People's gun) is in comparison to an M-16?
 
Does he realize how inaccurate an AK-47 (the People's gun) is in comparison to an M-16?

Does he also realize the AK-47 is a fully automatic weapon and one would need an FFL level 3 to own one.


;)


he is full of it.
 
That aside, he thinks the 2nd Amendment is there for hunters.



yah a semi auto version of the AK such as a VM90 or a norinco is a 5 MOA rifle with a anemic round....


And as I said, I could kill him deader from further away with a remington 700. ;)
 
yah a semi auto version of the AK such as a VM90 or a norinco is a 5 MOA rifle with a anemic round....


And as I said, I could kill him deader from further away with a remington 700. ;)
If I put a scope on my slingshot, he's probably say it was an assault weapon.
 
I can shoot the balls off of a fly with my .3006 and redfield 3X9 at 300 yards. But that will do me no good when and if the government decides to turn the gun turrets of an armoured vehicle towards me and my family.

Guns keep the government aware that they are there to serve us and not the opposite.

We should always be prepared to put down tyranny. History has proven time and time again that is where the greed for power leads. It is no different here. It's just a matter of time. Had it not been for our right to bear arms, we most likely would have already tasted the attempts of tyranny.

But a pea shooter ain't gonna do anybody any good when the jackboots come knocking. And they will come knocking eventually. As sure as the sun rises. It's just a matter of time. No empire in history has escaped that fact.
 
I believe you misunderstood the intent of my post.

What I was saying is that there is no need for any kind of direct assault weapon for the general public. Nothing that is meant specifically for killing other human beings is necessary.

Sure you can put one in my head with any decent hunting rifle. But you can put 30 in a crowd a heck of a lot quicker with a spray capable weapon.

I don't understand what is so hard to grasp about this? I'm not saying outlaw every gun "capable" of killing a human being I'm asking what is the need for a weapon designed for it? Even if you've got a fully automatic weapon, if the time comes where we would need to fight for our rights against our own government using brute force, we would be screwed either way. Military support would completely annihilate any of the weapons I am referring to. And unless we somehow come up with a fleet of aircraft, tanks, and in the event of a coastal battle, gunships... well, what are we going to do?

You can theorycraft about how much deadlier a bolt action pin point accuracy rifle would be in the hands of someone capable. But that does NOT dismiss the fact that a semi or full automatic assault weapon can be even deadlier in the hands of even the inexperienced.

P.S. As far as my gun ownership is concerned. There is no argument to be had. I can tell you what I've got, I can argue until I am blue in the face. But it won't give me any more or less weapons than I've got. It's silly to even go that route you guys, honestly.
 
I believe you misunderstood the intent of my post.

nope I read it loud and clear.


What I was saying is that there is no need for any kind of direct assault weapon for the general public. Nothing that is meant specifically for killing other human beings is necessary.


Sure there is. 1. prevent tyranny in government, 2. enjoyment, 3. because I choose to have one.

My right is not restricted to what you deem is my need.


Sure you can put one in my head with any decent hunting rifle. But you can put 30 in a crowd a heck of a lot quicker with a spray capable weapon.


your use of gun grabber terminology belies the myth that you are a gun owner.




I don't understand what is so hard to grasp about this? I'm not saying outlaw every gun "capable" of killing a human being I'm asking what is the need for a weapon designed for it? Even if you've got a fully automatic weapon, if the time comes where we would need to fight for our rights against our own government using brute force, we would be screwed either way. Military support would completely annihilate any of the weapons I am referring to. And unless we somehow come up with a fleet of aircraft, tanks, and in the event of a coastal battle, gunships... well, what are we going to do?


YouTube - The Truth about Firearms

watch this please and be educated.


Furthermore, if what you said was true we would have been out of iraq and afghanistan years ago.


You can theorycraft about how much deadlier a bolt action pin point accuracy rifle would be in the hands of someone capable. But that does NOT dismiss the fact that a semi or full automatic assault weapon can be even deadlier in the hands of even the inexperienced.
Your ignorance on this issue is astoundin.


P.S. As far as my gun ownership is concerned. There is no argument to be had. I can tell you what I've got, I can argue until I am blue in the face. But it won't give me any more or less weapons than I've got. It's silly to even go that route you guys, honestly.



i.e. you made this part up and you are not a gun owner.
 
The fact that you would call me ignorant for my beliefs and then challenge my ownership is the only "astoundin" thing I have seen here.

your use of gun grabber terminology belies the myth that you are a gun owner.

Instead of a one sentence "you're wrong because I deem it so" how about you elaborate as to why I may be wrong? Of course not everyone and their mother is going to readily be able to attain a firearm of that magnitude but that doesnt make my point any less valid.

Furthermore, if what you said was true we would have been out of iraq and afghanistan years ago.

Do you REALLY want to get into that one? There are so many "theories" as to why we are there and why the war is taking so long it's ridiculous and the arguement would be never-ending I'm sure. But to put it simply, we SHOULD have been out of Iraq "years" ago.

i.e. you made this part up and you are not a gun owner.

Except for myself and my cousin going to the local Gunshop and lanes with my FNH 5.7 and my USP .45 yesterday right? But like I said no matter how much I spout off about the guns I own, even if I were to take pictures of myself with my firearms I doubt it would satisfy your hunger to call someone a liar.

By the way, you do know that in some states fully automatic assault weapons are still purchasable right? Oregon for example. It's viewed the same as Marijuana "legalized" in California. The state can say OK all it wants but since it's on the Federal No No list the ATF can still prosecute owners and distibuters.

The video you posted did not even touch the properties and capabilities of the weapons and their "deadliness" so to speak. It would do wonders to calm down people who think every weapon that LOOKS like another must be that very same type. The SKS is a good example. But that is not what I'm talking about and even though may disagree with my opinion I hope you do realize that the weaponry I do not consider necessary for open purchase would more than likely not effect ANY rational American.

This is why I've got a problem with the majority of people who are over the top with anti gun control views. It's fine to differ in opinion but people "like you" always resort to the same tactics. Name calling, and the basic arguement coming down to "I don't have to need it I just have to want it, it's my RIGHT!" There is no substance left in that arguement.
 
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The fact that you would call me ignorant for my beliefs and then challenge my ownership is the only "astoundin" thing I have seen here.


You use terms like spray, complain about "assault rifles" then you talk about shooting an FN five-seven

Why do you NEED a pistol that can shoot that many rounds? You could kill a whole kindergarten..... (this is YOUR logic) ignorant and hypocritical.


Instead of a one sentence "you're wrong because I deem it so" how about you elaborate as to why I may be wrong? Of course not everyone and their mother is going to readily be able to attain a firearm of that magnitude but that doesnt make my point any less valid.


I refer you to the 2nd amendment, the Vs miller case.


You are wrong.


Do you REALLY want to get into that one? There are so many "theories" as to why we are there and why the war is taking so long it's ridiculous and the arguement would be never-ending I'm sure. But to put it simply, we SHOULD have been out of Iraq "years" ago.

So you want to make an excuse and base it on speculation to fit your prohibitionist stance? No thanks, I've heard all the irrationalities for hoplophobia.



Except for myself and my cousin going to the local Gunshop and lanes with my FNH 5.7 and my USP .45 yesterday right? But like I said no matter how much I spout off about the guns I own, even if I were to take pictures of myself with my firearms I doubt it would satisfy your hunger to call someone a liar.


How many rounds does an FN five-seven hold? 20 and the rounds are hi powered enough to penetrate armor.

Don't you find it hypocritical to wail about "assault weapons" while owning a hi-cap armor piercing "assault-pistol"?


How old is your USP?


By the way, you do know that in some states fully automatic assault weapons are still purchasable right? Oregon for example. It's viewed the same as Marijuana "legalized" in California. The state can say OK all it wants but since it's on the Federal No No list the ATF can still prosecute owners and distibuters.


You need an FFL3 no dealer will sell you an automatic weapon without one. You are wrong.


The video you posted did not even touch the properties and capabilities of the weapons and their "deadliness" so to speak. It would do wonders to calm down people who think every weapon that LOOKS like another must be that very same type. The SKS is a good example. But that is not what I'm talking about and even though may disagree with my opinion I hope you do realize that the weaponry I do not consider necessary for open purchase would more than likely not effect ANY rational American.


Yet you own an FN five-seven. :roll:




This is why I've got a problem with the majority of people who are over the top with anti gun control views. It's fine to differ in opinion but people "like you" always resort to the same tactics. Name calling, and the basic arguement coming down to "I don't have to need it I just have to want it, it's my RIGHT!" There is no substance left in that arguement.



I am sorry you find inalienable rights so displeasing.
 
I suppose I will lead with:

The U.S. Constitution does not adequately define "arms". When it was adopted, "arms" included muzzle-loaded muskets and pistols, swords, knives, bows with arrows, and spears. However, a common- law definition would be "light infantry weapons which can be carried and used, together with ammunition, by a single militiaman, functionally equivalent to those commonly used by infantrymen in land warfare." That certainly includes modern rifles and handguns, full-auto machine guns and shotguns, grenade and grenade launchers, flares, smoke, tear gas, incendiary rounds, and anti-tank weapons, but not heavy artillery, rockets, or bombs, or lethal chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. Somewhere in between we need to draw the line. The standard has to be that "arms" includes weapons which would enable citizens to effectively resist government tyranny, but the precise line will be drawn politically rather than constitutionally. The rule should be that "arms" includes all light infantry weapons that do not cause mass destruction. If we follow the rule that personal rights should be interpreted broadly and governmental powers narrowly, which was the intention of the Framers, instead of the reverse, then "arms" must be interpreted broadly.

A legal perspective.

Now, my FNH 5.7 does hold an absurd amount of rounds for a pistol, however the round it fires is very high velocity and appropriate for the target shooting I enjoy. I could care less how big the clip is I enjoy the feel of the gun and will continue to use it for recreational purposes. I realize the initial intent of the 5.7 Tactical Pistols and even SMG, however the gun I have is purely recreational I assure you. I'm sure you could argue that any weapon could be for "recreational" purposes but that does not make it so.

My USP was purchased in late 2005. As far as I'm aware HK has discontinued the production of the USP in favor of the HK45c. Either way it's an amazing firearm and I use it not only as a recreational pistol but also personal/home protection.

Yes you need the proper permit for the weapons, but I will have to bring up Oregon for this one. A buddy of mine who lives in Beaverton acquired his permit and the ATF background check is easy for most people. The part that is supposed to be as selective as possible is the approval of local Law Enforcement. Which was a breeze for him. He said the questions were generic and they seemed not to really "care".

The bottom line is our right to Keep and Bear Arms will never be taken away. But the second amendment was created when weapons were not nearly as capable as they are today, and IN MY OPINION (Stressing this as much as possible for you) restrictions on certain weaponry is not a bad thing.
 
I suppose I will lead with:

The U.S. Constitution does not adequately define "arms". When it was adopted, "arms" included muzzle-loaded muskets and pistols, swords, knives, bows with arrows, and spears. However, a common- law definition would be "light infantry weapons which can be carried and used, together with ammunition, by a single militiaman, functionally equivalent to those commonly used by infantrymen in land warfare." That certainly includes modern rifles and handguns, full-auto machine guns and shotguns, grenade and grenade launchers, flares, smoke, tear gas, incendiary rounds, and anti-tank weapons, but not heavy artillery, rockets, or bombs, or lethal chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. Somewhere in between we need to draw the line. The standard has to be that "arms" includes weapons which would enable citizens to effectively resist government tyranny, but the precise line will be drawn politically rather than constitutionally. The rule should be that "arms" includes all light infantry weapons that do not cause mass destruction. If we follow the rule that personal rights should be interpreted broadly and governmental powers narrowly, which was the intention of the Framers, instead of the reverse, then "arms" must be interpreted broadly.

A legal perspective.


Living document mumbo jumbo, that SCOTUS ruled on.



Now, my FNH 5.7 does hold an absurd amount of rounds for a pistol, however the round it fires is very high velocity and appropriate for the target shooting I enjoy. I could care less how big the clip is I enjoy the feel of the gun and will continue to use it for recreational purposes. I realize the initial intent of the 5.7 Tactical Pistols and even SMG, however the gun I have is purely recreational I assure you. I'm sure you could argue that any weapon could be for "recreational" purposes but that does not make it so.


Oh so it's "I can have it cause I choose it to be recreational, but you can't because I say your choice is not."

You do know ar-15's are the most common used rifle now in competition right?

Your fail. Your hypocrisy can only lead you to this sort of illogical nonsnense.

Also it is called a "magazine", a clip is something used to load a magazine in some rifles.

Your demonstration of ignorance continues to impress me. :lol:


My USP was purchased in late 2005. As far as I'm aware HK has discontinued the production of the USP in favor of the HK45c. Either way it's an amazing firearm and I use it not only as a recreational pistol but also personal/home protection.


You don't need a gun for home protection as you have the police to call.... (taking your illogic to its logical conclusion)

Personally I use a m4 type carbine with 55gr fragmentation rounds, Sure fire weapon mounted light and an aimpoint.

further more I engage in both teaching and training activities to be proficient in the use of said platform for home defense.

Who is more of a danger to friends and family? :lol:





Yes you need the proper permit for the weapons, but I will have to bring up Oregon for this one. A buddy of mine who lives in Beaverton acquired his permit and the ATF background check is easy for most people. The part that is supposed to be as selective as possible is the approval of local Law Enforcement. Which was a breeze for him. He said the questions were generic and they seemed not to really "care".

The bottom line is our right to Keep and Bear Arms will never be taken away. But the second amendment was created when weapons were not nearly as capable as they are today, and IN MY OPINION (Stressing this as much as possible for you) restrictions on certain weaponry is not a bad thing.



Right, just the weapons you don't like, armor piercing "Assaul-pistols" that hold 20 rounds and are much more concealable are ok..... :roll:


Hoplophobic hypocrisy.
 
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What I was saying is that there is no need for any kind of direct assault weapon for the general public. Nothing that is meant specifically for killing other human beings is necessary.

Revolt, security, or because you just felt like having one. Reason enough.

Sure you can put one in my head with any decent hunting rifle. But you can put 30 in a crowd a heck of a lot quicker with a spray capable weapon.

I don't understand what is so hard to grasp about this? I'm not saying outlaw every gun "capable" of killing a human being I'm asking what is the need for a weapon designed for it?

Why not? It seems to me that to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right. Why should the government encroach upon our rights, usurp our liberty? There's no rational reason for it. Not if you fully understand freedom and accept the responsibilities and consequences which come with it.

Even if you've got a fully automatic weapon, if the time comes where we would need to fight for our rights against our own government using brute force, we would be screwed either way. Military support would completely annihilate any of the weapons I am referring to. And unless we somehow come up with a fleet of aircraft, tanks, and in the event of a coastal battle, gunships... well, what are we going to do?

So we shouldn't even try should it be necessary? I shouldn't be afforded the tools to fight for my liberty because it's impossible. Nice, that's great. I'm sure it looked impossible for the forefathers too, but I'm damned well glad they at least too the chance. Tell me not to try to fight for my freedom and liberty when if it need fighting for...sickening. I'll damned well fight if I have to fight, and if I die I'll die free. So don't tell me that I shouldn't even try because I'll tell you one thing, those terrorists seem to be holding on, and they ain't got the **** our military has either. Plus a revolution would probably split the military.

You can theorycraft about how much deadlier a bolt action pin point accuracy rifle would be in the hands of someone capable. But that does NOT dismiss the fact that a semi or full automatic assault weapon can be even deadlier in the hands of even the inexperienced.

Most everything can be deadlier in the hands of the inexperienced. That's no reason to start banning and usurping liberty because of it. Freedom has consequences.

P.S. As far as my gun ownership is concerned. There is no argument to be had. I can tell you what I've got, I can argue until I am blue in the face. But it won't give me any more or less weapons than I've got. It's silly to even go that route you guys, honestly.

I doubt your assertion that you have and use many firearms. But regardless, this isn't just about your guns. It's about the freedom and liberty of the People.
 
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