As to the issue of the Crusades (and the Spanish Inquisition), I find it interesting that people would even attempt to gloss over the evil that was done in the name of God and Christ during such times. It did happen! Why the Crusades or the Inquisition began, who started it, whether or not either were benevolent is really irrelevant. Fact is, people did commit murder and other vile acts during such times in the name of God and Christ. They put their own personal ambitions ahead of their religious calling or the humane tenants of their faith. Doesn't matter whether they were during "modern times" or medieval times. The fact remains that even those who believed they were doing "God's will" still committed sinful acts in His name.
WHAT ??
His decision to pull every last remnant of American military personel out of Iraq for purely Political reasons didn't give them cover ?
He gave them much more than " cover " . He gave them a opportunity.
Are you saying he did it to give ISIS cover? The people of the U.S. elected him to get us out of Iraq.
Which suggests that those who vote for words instead of experience and character should be very afraid that they might get what they ask for huh.
I'm going to try to speak to the three highlighted points above because they seem to reflect both the intellectual and emotional tone of the thread.
I've read the transcript of the President's 2015 National Prayer Breakfast and feel confident in saying that the theme of the President's speech can be summed up in the 2nd sentence to paragraph 9:
Religious faith used for good...religious faith subverted and used for evil. No matter what commentary you've heard about the speech, if after listening to it or reading the transcript yourself you don't walk away with an acute understanding that people and/or groups claiming to be of a particular faith have done evil things in the name of their Holy deity, then you've missed the point entirely!
While I would agree that one should never mix religion with politics (i.e., "God spoke to me and I was compelled to ask Congress for authority to destroy our nation's enemies showing no mercy"), I don't think it's wrong to ask God for a military victory over those we are at war against (i.e., God, bless our troops as they go into battle against a foreign enemy; may they be victorious.). The trick here is the war must be justified.
As to the issue of the Crusades (and the Spanish Inquisition), I find it interesting that people would even attempt to gloss over the evil that was done in the name of God and Christ during such times. It did happen! Why the Crusades or the Inquisition began, who started it, whether or not either were benevolent is really irrelevant. Fact is, people did commit murder and other vile acts during such times in the name of God and Christ. They put their own personal ambitions ahead of their religious calling or the humane tenants of their faith. Doesn't matter whether they were during "modern times" or medieval times. The fact remains that even those who believed they were doing "God's will" still committed sinful acts in His name.
Yes, if it weren't for dumbya's silly ME ejaculation, there would have been no ISIS-type terrorists in the ME since Saddam's regime was successfully repressing such groups.
Duh.
And bush was a terrorist--just an incredibly stupid one (like the likeminded folks who voted for him). . .
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I'm pretty much sure that "all faiths" covers the spectrum.Non denominational? Which religions did he point out by name that are or have been guilty of atrocities other than Christians?
Zapping Awalaki is one of the few things Obama got right.
Yeah, Saddam only murdered 300 thousand Iraqis. We should a left him alne. :lamo
Yeah, Saddam only murdered 300 thousand Iraqis. We should a left him alne. :lamo
And who was Saddam supplied by in the 1980s.
Smooth move there don't you think ?
Why do you hate America?
And in our decade of fighting there, we killed another 2-300,000!!!!! What's your point?
How is it a false narrative? Because it's not what you want to believe? Or because it's not your religion?
Why do you hate America?
No it says they wanted us out of Iraq and still feel that way although you might not agree.
Who gives a ****?
Why is the name of the enemy so much of an issue with the Obama camp?
I'm pretty much sure that "all faiths" covers the spectrum.
What's your point with those faked numbers? You don't get tired of posting lies? Inbet you're a huge fan of Brian Williams.
But Al-Qaeda does. Are you really telling me you know better than the leadership of Al-Qaeda who they consider to be Al-Qaeda? Even 6 year old boys aren't so stupid as to think they can tell another group who is or isn't in their club.Wait.....what does BO's former US Joint Chief of Staff of the Army say? Seems he doesn't.
I'm sorry, are you trying to say Jim Crow laws and the Ku Klux Klan was "centuries" ago? And you have the nerve to call someone else dumb?Hm.
Roll this around in your head for a second:
President Obama shouldn't be lecturing us on whether or not ISIL's actions are right or wrong or whether or not slavery was right or wrong. Doesn't he know that President Washington led an army against the Whiskey Rebellion?
Now. Doesn't that seem kinda sorta.... stupid? Sort of like an argument trying to tie together completely disconnected events that took place centuries apart because one actor shares a title with one from a previous era is kinda.... dumb?
"We"? No, it was Islamists who were murdering the Iraqi people, just as they are doing today. The Iraqi people, for the firsy=t time in their long history, finally had the opportunity to vote, despite death threats from the Islamists.And in our decade of fighting there, we killed another 2-300,000!!!!! What's your point?
Actually Barrack Obama has his history all wrong, his analogies confused, and is one of the best examples of why Affirmative Action is one of the worst ideas every devised by leftist, and racist, screwballs.But Al-Qaeda does. Are you really telling me you know better than the leadership of Al-Qaeda who they consider to be Al-Qaeda? Even 6 year old boys aren't so stupid as to think they can tell another group who is or isn't in their club.
By the way, nothing in your link says anything about whether ISIS is currently affiliated with Al-Qaeda. So not only is Al-Qaeda themselves telling you ISIS isn't part of Al-Qaeda, your link doesn't say otherwise.
Not surprisingly, you're not letting facts get in the way of BS.
I'm sorry, are you trying to say Jim Crow laws and the Ku Klux Klan was "centuries" ago? And you have the nerve to call someone else dumb?
Actually Barrack Obama has his history all wrong, his analogies confused, and is one of the best examples of why Affirmative Action is one of the worst ideas every devised by leftist, and racist, screwballs.
I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! :doh This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!
There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.
Hm.
Roll this around in your head for a second:
President Obama shouldn't be lecturing us on whether or not ISIL's actions are right or wrong or whether or not slavery was right or wrong. Doesn't he know that President Washington led an army against the Whiskey Rebellion?
Now. Doesn't that seem kinda sorta.... stupid? Sort of like an argument trying to tie together completely disconnected events that took place centuries apart because one actor shares a title with one from a previous era is kinda.... dumb?
But Al-Qaeda does. Are you really telling me you know better than the leadership of Al-Qaeda who they consider to be Al-Qaeda? Even 6 year old boys aren't so stupid as to think they can tell another group who is or isn't in their club.
By the way, nothing in your link says anything about whether ISIS is currently affiliated with Al-Qaeda. So not only is Al-Qaeda themselves telling you ISIS isn't part of Al-Qaeda, your link doesn't say otherwise.
Not surprisingly, you're not letting facts get in the way of BS.
`"We"? No, it was Islamists who were murdering the Iraqi people, just as they are doing today. The Iraqi people, for the firsy=t time in their long history, finally had the opportunity to vote, despite death threats from the Islamists.
Had the 40,000 troops remained in Iraq, as the military wanted, many thousands of lives would have been saved and ISIS would be dust.
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