Obama cannot stop with the class envy[W:101; 163]

[Comment_Guy]

If you listen to him consistently, it is stunning how Obama cannot talk for more than a minute or two without falling back into class-envy mode. It is like a dripping faucet. It is all he knows to do over and over and over and over and over.

What good is class-warfare? Well, it connects with weakness.. envy, anger (even fear). Those are the emotions Obama looks to stoke in you, so that you will get behind him to give him political power to give those horrible, abusive captains of industry what they have coming.

If you read the Communist Manifesto written by Marx (and Engels, many people do not know), it is alarming how closely Obama's lines of arguments match along. I am not labeling him. I am saying, read it and listen to the man.

We need leaders who are willing to take on the challenges we face, out of control national debt and exploding entitlement obligations. But Obama just keeps on seeking political leverage with the class envy stuff, like a 2nd-rate political hack or back-bencher. He is a disgrace.

If you really hate the rich, then the perfect place for you would be where there are NO rich... like Cuba or North Korea. Look, the rich guy living down the road doesn't hurt you or me. He might have created a service or product that I like, or he may hire my brother.

 

[beerftw]

If you listen to him consistently, it is stunning how Obama cannot talk for more than a minute or two without falling back into class-envy mode. It is like a dripping faucet. It is all he knows to do over and over and over and over and over.

What good is class-warfare? Well, it connects with weakness.. envy, anger (even fear). Those are the emotions Obama looks to stoke in you, so that you will get behind him to give him political power to give those horrible, abusive captains of industry what they have coming.

If you read the Communist Manifesto written by Marx (and Engels, many people do not know), it is alarming how closely Obama's lines of arguments match along. I am not labeling him. I am saying, read it and listen to the man.

We need leaders who are willing to take on the challenges we face, out of control national debt and exploding entitlement obligations. But Obama just keeps on seeking political leverage with the class envy stuff, like a 2nd-rate political hack or back-bencher. He is a disgrace.

If you really hate the rich, then the perfect place for you would be where there are NO rich... like Cuba or North Korea. Look, the rich guy living down the road doesn't hurt you or me. He might have created a service or product that I like, or he may hire my brother.

class warfare was just a wedge issue created by liberals to divide classes,ultimastely giving them more support,while blaming conservativesfor causing it by not bending over and handing them every thing they demand.

yes income on the rich has gone up massivily since reagan,but taxes have gone down alot since then,if you look at income gains from carter to now,probably close to 80% of the income gain has been from tax reductions.

this immediatly leads me to believe that liberals dont seek wealth,but rather seek to bring everyone else to poverty,after all misery loves company.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

class warfare was just a wedge issue created by liberals to divide classes,ultimastely giving them more support,while blaming conservativesfor causing it by not bending over and handing them every thing they demand.

yes income on the rich has gone up massivily since reagan,but taxes have gone down alot since then,if you look at income gains from carter to now,probably close to 80% of the income gain has been from tax reductions.

this immediatly leads me to believe that liberals dont seek wealth,but rather seek to bring everyone else to poverty,after all misery loves company.

*facepalm*

So class warfare didn't exist - at all - on any level - until the Liberals made it all up?

 

[Your Star]

class warfare was just a wedge issue created by liberals to divide classes,ultimastely giving them more support,while blaming conservativesfor causing it by not bending over and handing them every thing they demand.

yes income on the rich has gone up massivily since reagan,but taxes have gone down alot since then,if you look at income gains from carter to now,probably close to 80% of the income gain has been from tax reductions.

this immediatly leads me to believe that liberals dont seek wealth,but rather seek to bring everyone else to poverty,after all misery loves company.

I would actually say it's the other way around, conservatives have been using "class warfare" as an easy cop out for not wanting to increase the top income tax bracket, instead of having to discuss the issue.

 

[Flippinfunky]

If you listen to him consistently, it is stunning how Obama cannot talk for more than a minute or two without falling back into class-envy mode. It is like a dripping faucet. It is all he knows to do over and over and over and over and over.

What good is class-warfare? Well, it connects with weakness.. envy, anger (even fear). Those are the emotions Obama looks to stoke in you, so that you will get behind him to give him political power to give those horrible, abusive captains of industry what they have coming.

If you read the Communist Manifesto written by Marx (and Engels, many people do not know), it is alarming how closely Obama's lines of arguments match along. I am not labeling him. I am saying, read it and listen to the man.

We need leaders who are willing to take on the challenges we face, out of control national debt and exploding entitlement obligations. But Obama just keeps on seeking political leverage with the class envy stuff, like a 2nd-rate political hack or back-bencher. He is a disgrace.

If you really hate the rich, then the perfect place for you would be where there are NO rich... like Cuba or North Korea. Look, the rich guy living down the road doesn't hurt you or me. He might have created a service or product that I like, or he may hire my brother.

This whole class envy stuff is really high school. You guys keep insisting everyone is just jealous of the rich when really, I think the rich get off believing everyone's jealous of them. You see, REAL wealth has NOTHING to do with money. Those of us content in life are able to understand that. Not everyone needs a gigantic house, car and bank account to feel they're a success. Material importance is for the emotionally immature. The rich and their Republican supporters kick around the 48 percent who DONT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY to pay taxes then, when people kick around the rich for not paying their rightful share, you all scream "Your jealous!" and cry about the "burden" paying more would place on the rich.

Well boo f**kity hoo. They should carry THEIR weight before they insult others who CANT carry their own.

Oh and BTW, Obama has money...perhaps not the money of some but not everyone needs "more more more". Obama's taxes will increase if the Buffet rule were to pass. And, there are PLENTY of Million/Billioniars who feel they should be required to pay more taxes...are they jealous too? Are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet jealous of the rich? They ARE "the Rich", THE richest in our country, 2nd and 3rd in the WORLD. So, just WHO do they envy?

 

[Jetboogieman]

Talking as a person who has been wealthier than most of you will ever be.

If you think Obama is talking Class warfare you guys need to unscrew your ****ing heads and get the oil checked cause you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Moot]

If you listen to him consistently, it is stunning how Obama cannot talk for more than a minute or two without falling back into class-envy mode. It is like a dripping faucet. It is all he knows to do over and over and over and over and over.

What good is class-warfare? Well, it connects with weakness.. envy, anger (even fear). Those are the emotions Obama looks to stoke in you, so that you will get behind him to give him political power to give those horrible, abusive captains of industry what they have coming.

If you read the Communist Manifesto written by Marx (and Engels, many people do not know), it is alarming how closely Obama's lines of arguments match along. I am not labeling him. I am saying, read it and listen to the man.

We need leaders who are willing to take on the challenges we face, out of control national debt and exploding entitlement obligations. But Obama just keeps on seeking political leverage with the class envy stuff, like a 2nd-rate political hack or back-bencher. He is a disgrace.

If you really hate the rich, then the perfect place for you would be where there are NO rich... like Cuba or North Korea. Look, the rich guy living down the road doesn't hurt you or me. He might have created a service or product that I like, or he may hire my brother.

Who do you think would win the class war if there really was one?

 

[Henrin]

Well boo f**kity hoo. They should carry THEIR weight before they insult others who CANT carry their own.

They do carry their weight and since when does everyone believe in the nonsense known as "the social contract" that pushes this argument of yours? Btw, you do realize that the theory was created by a man that believed in natural law, yes? Just wondering because its funny listening to liberals go on about how its real and all the while they find natural law bogus. Though to be fair to them his theory has nothing to do with natural law, he just thought it did.

Oh and BTW, Obama has money...perhaps not the money of some but not everyone needs "more more more". Obama's taxes will increase if the Buffet rule were to pass. And, there are PLENTY of Million/Billioniars who feel they should be required to pay more taxes...are they jealous too? Are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet jealous of the rich? They ARE "the Rich", THE richest in our country, 2nd and 3rd in the WORLD. So, just WHO do they envy?[/B]

The Buffett rule is meant to keep everyone away from their ranks, so yes, they support it. The reasons people like you support it and the reasons people like Buffett support it are not at all the same however.

 

[Henrin]

Who do you think would win the class war if there really was one?

The rich without a doubt.

 

[nonpareil]

The rich without a doubt.

I bet the French Monarchy would disagree with you.

 

[Henrin]

I bet the French Monarchy would disagree with you.

Good luck doing that here.

 

[tecoyah]

so....trying to help the 99% (as he has said he would), and thus talking about it....is now waging a war on the 1%.

I wonder WHO started the whole "Class Warfare" Hype in the first place....hmmm

 

[sharon]

Do you actually KNOW what socialism is?

Do you realize that democracy can't exist without a literate population, a free press and a robust middle class?

If you listen to him consistently, it is stunning how Obama cannot talk for more than a minute or two without falling back into class-envy mode. It is like a dripping faucet. It is all he knows to do over and over and over and over and over.

What good is class-warfare? Well, it connects with weakness.. envy, anger (even fear). Those are the emotions Obama looks to stoke in you, so that you will get behind him to give him political power to give those horrible, abusive captains of industry what they have coming.

If you read the Communist Manifesto written by Marx (and Engels, many people do not know), it is alarming how closely Obama's lines of arguments match along. I am not labeling him. I am saying, read it and listen to the man.

We need leaders who are willing to take on the challenges we face, out of control national debt and exploding entitlement obligations. But Obama just keeps on seeking political leverage with the class envy stuff, like a 2nd-rate political hack or back-bencher. He is a disgrace.

If you really hate the rich, then the perfect place for you would be where there are NO rich... like Cuba or North Korea. Look, the rich guy living down the road doesn't hurt you or me. He might have created a service or product that I like, or he may hire my brother.

 

[Comment_Guy]

*facepalm*

So class warfare didn't exist - at all - on any level - until the Liberals made it all up?

I am not saying that at all. In fact, I cited the Communist Manifesto, and how it is amazing how Obama's rhetoric parallels several of the planks within that text.

It's interesting how you are completely unable to actually address the substance the thread. It's like you flail around trying to counter with anything you can.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

I am not saying that at all. In fact, I cited the Communist Manifesto, and how it is amazing how Obama's rhetoric parallels several of the planks within that text.

It's interesting how you are completely unable to actually address the substance the thread. It's like you flail around trying to counter with anything you can.

Oh my! Talk about not reading a thread! That was my response to Beer's post - not yours.

It's ok - it's early in the AM!

 

[Comment_Guy]

Do you actually KNOW what socialism is?

Do you realize that democracy can't exist without a literate population, a free press and a robust middle class?

I lived for a number of years in a socialist country. I have seen the effects of it up close. Why? Do you have any questions about it?

I suppose you are the literate one, no? You might want to click on Wikipedia... I honestly think it will help you.

For example...

Do YOU realize that we do not live in a Democracy?

Do YOU realize that YOUR terms...Socialism and Democracy, exist on different spectrums?

Instead of asking inane questions... are you able to actually respond to my thread? I doubt it.

And what does a free press have to do with the fact that Obama's best card to play is that class-envy card?

Stay in the shallow end, Sharon.

 

[sharon]

I lived for a number of years in a socialist country. I have seen the effects of it up close in my wife's family.

I suppose you are the literate one, no? You might want to click on Wikipedia... it would be a step up for you. Do YOU realize that we do not live in a Democracy?

Do YOU realize that YOUR terms...Socialism and Democracy, exist on different spectrums?

Instead of asking inane questions... are you able to actually respond to my thread? I doubt it.

And what does a free press have to do with the fact that Obama's best card to play is that class-envy card?

Stay in the shallow end, Sharon.

I know the US is a republic, but it is based on democratic ideals..

Let me restate.. The US government and our way of life cannot exist without a literate population, a free press and a robust middle class.

I have lived all over the world.. Obama is no socialist.

 

[Dickieboy]

Obama's taxes will increase if the Buffet rule were to pass.

Blatantly fallacious or predictably uninformed? The Buffet rule only affects those who have an AGI above $1m/year.

‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘high-income tax payer’ means, with respect to any taxable year, any taxpayer (other than a corporation) with an adjusted gross income for such taxable year in excess of $1,000,000 (50 percent of such amount in the case of a married individual who files a separate return)."

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s2059is/pdf/BILLS-112s2059is.pdf

The president’s joint return for last year revealed that their AGI was $789,674 so, NO the Buffet rule will not increase HIS taxes…

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/president_obama_complete_return_2011.pdf

Try again.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

obama went from yes we can to not my fault and from I am a uniter to divide and conquer.

 

[Comment_Guy]

I would actually say it's the other way around, conservatives have been using "class warfare" as an easy cop out for not wanting to increase the top income tax bracket, instead of having to discuss the issue.

Well, Your Star, you say you are very liberal in your leaning and your post certainly reflects that.

The progressive rate is one of the planks of Marx and Engel's Communist Manifesto, your go-to text, right?

Are you able to consider, Your Star, that the top 50% pay 96.54% of All Income Taxes (the top 1% pay more than a third: 34.27%)?

That's not enough, is it, Your Star? The Left makes its trade in division of race and economic class.

CBO | Effective Federal Tax Rates Under Current Law, 2001 to 2014

 

[Comment_Guy]

Talking as a person who has been wealthier than most of you will ever be.

If you think Obama is talking Class warfare you guys need to unscrew your ****ing heads and get the oil checked cause you have no idea what you're talking about.

Cutting-edge response, there Jetboogieman!

Go watch another episode of Star Trek, dork

 

[Comment_Guy]

...Let me restate.. The US government and our way of life cannot exist without a literate population, a free press and a robust middle class....
.

Uh, great clarification... I am glad you are getting yourself together there.

So how exactly does that relate to the original thread?

 

[Comment_Guy]

I would actually say it's the other way around, conservatives have been using "class warfare" as an easy cop out for not wanting to increase the top income tax bracket, instead of having to discuss the issue.

You say that conservatives "having been using class warfare...?"

Cite ONE specific example of a conservative engaging in class warfare. YOU CAN'T. It is an exclusive staple of the Left.

 

[Thunder]

...
Do YOU realize that we do not live in a Democracy?....

really? we don't get to choose our leaders?

 

[Mr. Invisible]

There isn't really any class envy. It seems that most people would just like to see the rich pay a reasonable amount. This is quite true especially of corporations who, if you remember correctly, put the global economy on the brink of collapse and whom we, the US taxpayer bailed out. [They also haven't paid back the funds given to them (http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-17-25/tarp-overseer-debunks-bailout-myths-big-companies-haven’t-repaid-tarp-funds-…)] In a time where half of population can't afford to pay taxes because they are either poor or low-income (Census data: Half of U.S. poor or low income - CBS News) and we are asking people to tighten their belts and we are enforcing austerity measure on them [which also contributes to low GDP growth (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/04/27/blame-budget-austerity-for-poor-gdp-growth)],I think that those who can afford to pay for more, should. Not because I am envious of them, but because it will benefit the society overall and if the average person is being asking to deal with austerity, why can't those who have billions of dollars deal with paying a little extra taxes?