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Exactly, correleation =/= causation.
You keep repeating those statistics, but what you fail to realize is just because those things happened UNDER Obama's tenure doesn't mean he is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE for those numbers. To blame obama for $4 gas is moronic.
Repeating the same stats he does not understand is not really discussing intricacies pf economic policies.
And about those sources, any sign of them yet?
Oh boy, you picked a very bad time to misrepresent numbers again. Sheik Yerbuti is here. You are in big trouble again. I'll give you a couple of aspirin after he is done with you. Call it compassionate Conservatism. :mrgreen:
You keep repeating those statistics, but what you fail to realize is just because those things happened UNDER Obama's tenure doesn't mean he is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE for those numbers. To blame obama for $4 gas is moronic.
First of all, I would hardly define a 3½ point increase, as "jacking up" taxes. Secondly, that is $250K after deductions; most likely, such a person is earning more like $300K to $400K. Thirdly, for someone paying tax on $250K, the increase on their tax burden at 39½ amounts to an increase of $8,750. I can't believe people net more than $250,000 a year will struggle to pay an extra $8,750. And lastly, how on Earth are we ever going to pay down the debt, no less balance the budget, if we don't raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans? Cutting spending is an excellent idea, but cutting spending alone will not get the job done. One of my biggest beefs with Obama is that he extended the Bush tax cuts.not relevant
sham wow wanted to jack up taxes on those who already pay far more than their share of the national income
it was pandering for votes and he is a dishonest asshole for claiming that the Rich (ie anyone making over 250K a year) weren't paying their fair share
Just a question, is it appropriate for three moderators to bait another poster in this forum?
Oh boy, you picked a very bad time to misrepresent numbers again. Sheik Yerbuti is here. You are in big trouble again. I'll give you a couple of aspirin after he is done with you. Call it compassionate Conservatism. :mrgreen:
Which brings me back to my original question that STILL hasn't been answered. Who is ultimately responsible for US economic policy... Congress or the President.
And your post presents another issue. What US situations are the responsiblity of the current adminstration and which ones are the responsibility of a past administration... and how does one determine the difference? For example, since it happened under his watch, was the Great Depression the fault of Hoover?
Which brings me back to my original question that STILL hasn't been answered. Who is ultimately responsible for US economic policy... Congress or the President.
And your post presents another issue. What US situations are the responsiblity of the current adminstration and which ones are the responsibility of a past administration... and how does one determine the difference? For example, since it happened under his watch, was the Great Depression the fault of Hoover?
We talk about the budget as the president's budget, and that makes sense, as the president is the one proposing it. But this is also the country's budget. It reflects not just what the president is proposing, but what's actually happening, and what's been happening. It reflects the creation of Medicare (Lyndon Johnson) and Medicare Part D (George W. Bush), Social Security (FDR) and lower marginal tax rates (Ronald Reagan). It reflects economic growth, which can't be traced to any one president, and financial crises, which are similarly diffuse.
Firstly, the status of a poster is irrelevant. Members are asking you to source your numbers. You have REFUSED to do so. You want the question to no longer be asked? SOURCE YOUR NUMBERS.
that is stupid
rich people pay the highest rates on like income
rich people pay far more actual dollars to the government
rich people pay the highest income tax rates
why do dems demand that those who don't pay enough should not have tax hikes but those who pay too much and are hit with the death tax surcharge pay even more?
vote buying pure and simple
That link was already provided to you by another poster.Then you won't have any problem proving where I took this off topic? A response to your BDS is a response generated by one of your posts.
If you understood the difference between "should" and "want" you probably would have understood the point being made.if a rich dem says the rich should pay more taxes you now deny that is different than saying they want to pay more? they want the rich to pay more, they are rich ergo they want to pay more
LOL, yep, a true legend in his own mind, anything that doesn't fit into his agenda is a misrepresentation.
I'm most upset with Conservative continuously attributing the entire 4 trillion added debt to Obama. Did he spend a lot? No doubt about it. But to what degree is he actually responsible for that sum? Most of the budget deficits have been caused because 1) ****ty economy = lesser tax revenue while paying out more in unemployment benefits and 2) automatic, built-in increases within the entitle programs that have nothing to do with Obama's economic polices. You can blame him for the stimulus, for healthcare, whatever, that's fine. But to attribute the entire $4 trillion dollars of added debt to Obama, and then say "hey look, he was sooo much worse than Bush!" is absolutely simple-minded.
Demonizing the greedy and demonizing the wealthy are two different things, so yeah
That link was already provided to you by another poster.
As much as you have monitored me, repremanded me, given me infractions you obviously don't pay any attention when I do source my numbers. I have done it over and over again which obviously have been ignored. If you want the numbers go to bls.gov.
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Hey, Theprof, sign in under your own screen name.
Ah, so you are saying that both have responsibility. I think I already asked you and you responded by saying that the President is the head of his party, but I'll ask again... are you saying that both Congress and the President have fairly equal responsibility in the economy?
the president proposes, congerss disposes
where ya been?
OK... who do YOU think controls the government? Congress or the President?
But why do you think that's bad? As I showed you earlier, by the 2004 election, Bush also had unemployment increase by 2 million and yet you voted for him anyway. If that wasn't bad enough to dissuade you from voting to give Bush 4 more years, why is it so terrible now for Obama?WE do have a record to compare, Obama's 15 million unemployed
some rich people don't mind paying higher taxes.
THAT again?
LOL!
well, you see, we have THREE branches of govt (unless you're chuck shumer)...
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