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Obama: A year to Election Day, numbers good and bad

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Wonder what is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty.

You have asked this question so many times that I do not think anyone could calculate exactly how many times you have done so. You have posed this question in thread after thread after thread no matter what the actual topic may be. You continually find a way to raise that same question despite changes in topic and despite no actual discussion of that issue is taking place.

However, to spare you the labor, toil and work of continuing to ask it ad nauseam again in the future, I will answer it for you.

Progressives are extremely honorable people who do not turn their backs on those they have faith in. Loyalty is a virtue.

We pick out people who are deserving of our loyalty because they are on the same side of the struggle for all the right things in America.

Progressives stood loyally together when property restrictions were struck down and removed as obstacles to voting because that is the American way.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight against and to finally abolish slavery because that is the American way.

Progressives stood loyally together during Reconstruction to find a place for African Americans in the mainstream of America.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight the abuses and inequalities of the Gilded Age usher in the Progressive Era and the many reforms which made this country together.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight for the vote for women because it was the right thing to do as Americans.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight for civil rights for African Americans because no American deserves second class status.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight for consumer rights, for the environment and for equal pay for equal work because it makes for a better America for all of society.

And Progressives stand today loyally with the political representatives who were are responsible for fighting for these things which make American a better place to live.

You see Conservative, you use the term LOYALTY as a pejorative or something bad. We see being LOYAL to our political allies as a virtue and something good.

We see progressive liberalism as a force for good in America and we are loyal to our allies who join with us in that vision.

Now you do not have to ask the same tired question over and over and over again since you have a definitive reply.
 
Exactly, Republicans take control of the Legislature in Va. and Mississippi but the media is focusing on the Union election in Ohio thus liberals probably haven't even heard about the results in Va and Miss. There is no place in the liberal world for anything that contradicts their point of view.

The same way Drudge didn't cover the Ohio results. Seriously, this "Conservative world view" that there's a big liberal conspiracy that rules the word against you is getting really old. There's Conservative media out there. There's a free market and a free press. Why don't the Koch's buy some media outlets? They have the means, and they are definitely conservative. If there's a desire for more Conservative-friendly media, there's things that can be done.

I seem to recall that when a Republican won the special election for Wiener's old seat that you were crowing about "It's a rebuke of Obama!" Are the Ohio results a similar rebuke of Republican policy?
 
Right wingers here whining about Virginia fail to recognize that balance of power in various state legislatures change routinely all the time depending on local issues. While that may mean something within that particular state, there is previous little national significance to it.

Contrast that with the national move led by right wing think tanks and right win politicians to destroy union rights in many places in this land. Contrast that with the importance of Ohio to the electoral landscape and the political and historical significance of Ohio in determining the winner of a presidential election. To pretend that the overwhelming repudiation of the right wing agenda in Ohio is the same as a routine state legislature election in Virginia is to have utterly and completely failed Political Science 101.
 
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You have asked this question so many times that I do not think anyone could calculate exactly how many times you have done so. You have posed this question in thread after thread after thread no matter what the actual topic may be. You continually find a way to raise that same question despite changes in topic and despite no actual discussion of that issue is taking place.

However, to spare you the labor, toil and work of continuing to ask it ad nauseam again in the future, I will answer it for you.

Progressives are extremely honorable people who do not turn their backs on those they have faith in. Loyalty is a virtue.

We pick out people who are deserving of our loyalty because they are on the same side of the struggle for all the right things in America.

Progressives stood loyally together when property restrictions were struck down and removed as obstacles to voting because that is the American way.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight against and to finally abolish slavery because that is the American way.

Progressives stood loyally together during Reconstruction to find a place for African Americans in the mainstream of America.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight the abuses and inequalities of the Gilded Age usher in the Progressive Era and the many reforms which made this country together.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight for the vote for women because it was the right thing to do as Americans.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight for civil rights for African Americans because no American deserves second class status.

Progressives stood loyally together to fight for consumer rights, for the environment and for equal pay for equal work because it makes for a better America for all of society.

And Progressives stand today loyally with the political representatives who were are responsible for fighting for these things which make American a better place to live.

You see Conservative, you use the term LOYALTY as a pejorative or something bad. We see being LOYAL to our political allies as a virtue and something good.

We see progressive liberalism as a force for good in America and we are loyal to our allies who join with us in that vision.

Now you do not have to ask the same tired question over and over and over again since you have a definitive reply.

Thank you for the answer and for showing exactly how brainwashed liberals really are. Progressives? Thought we were talking about liberals. Why did liberals change their name to Progressive? Why aren't more people calling themselves liberal today? Almost everything you have posted could be a Conservative issue as well if it were not for the fact that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Conservatives want to destroy people and liberals of course want to save them.

Seems that being a progressive can be whatever you want it to be whenever you want. Just goes to show that there are no principles for liberals as principles for liberals are always changing depending on the outcome.

Haymarket, you are an example of exactly what is wrong with the country today, people like you spouting principles that are like Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet trying to coop the American spirit when the reality is you don't have a clue what the American spirit really is. Here is a hint, it was founded on self reliance and personal responsibility. Massive social engineering on the part of liberalism are the principles that liberals believe when basic history and civics aren't part of the liberal agenda. A massive central govt. taking on personal responsibility issues keeps people like you employed. I reject your statements completely as being liberal issues and stances on those issues.
 
The same way Drudge didn't cover the Ohio results. Seriously, this "Conservative world view" that there's a big liberal conspiracy that rules the word against you is getting really old. There's Conservative media out there. There's a free market and a free press. Why don't the Koch's buy some media outlets? They have the means, and they are definitely conservative. If there's a desire for more Conservative-friendly media, there's things that can be done.

I seem to recall that when a Republican won the special election for Wiener's old seat that you were crowing about "It's a rebuke of Obama!" Are the Ohio results a similar rebuke of Republican policy?

Drudge? Is Drudge the mainstream media? Why is it that liberals are so brainwashed that they cannot understand basic principles such as states' rights? Unions constitute 12% of the work force yet a referendum of Ohio promoted by millions of union dollars outside the state of Ohio with at least a 2-1 spending advantage somehow trump legislative changes in Va. and Miss. They also seem to trump the 2010 election results. I seem to recall that liberals today still are ignoring the 2010 elections. I await for you to point out the legislature that switched to Democrats since Obama took office? Keep touting the Union win in Ohio and keep ignoring the silent majority out there that is changing the legislative landscape.
 
Were not for the fact that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Conservatives want to destroy people and liberals of course want to save them.

Haymarket has dibs on using this quote as a sig.
 
Right wingers here whining about Virginia fail to recognize that balance of power in various state legislatures change routinely all the time depending on local issues. While that may mean something within that particular state, there is previous little national significance to it.

Contrast that with the national move led by right wing think tanks and right win politicians to destroy union rights in many places in this land. Contrast that with the importance of Ohio to the electoral landscape and the political and historical significance of Ohio in determining the winner of a presidential election. To pretend that the overwhelming repudiation of the right wing agenda in Ohio is the same as a routine state legislature election in Virginia is to have utterly and completely failed Political Science 101.

Right, the people of Va. like what they are seeing from McDonald and Republicans. People in Miss. like what they are seeing in their state by the Republican legislature. People of Wisconsin like what they are seeing in the fiscal actions of Walker. No question that state elections are irrelevant on the national stage in the liberal world. Keep spinning haymarket.
 
Thank you for the answer and for showing exactly how brainwashed liberals really are. Progressives? Thought we were talking about liberals. Why did liberals change their name to Progressive? Why aren't more people calling themselves liberal today? Almost everything you have posted could be a Conservative issue as well if it were not for the fact that conservatives want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Conservatives want to destroy people and liberals of course want to save them.

Seems that being a progressive can be whatever you want it to be whenever you want. Just goes to show that there are no principles for liberals as principles for liberals are always changing depending on the outcome.

Haymarket, you are an example of exactly what is wrong with the country today, people like you spouting principles that are like Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet trying to coop the American spirit when the reality is you don't have a clue what the American spirit really is. Here is a hint, it was founded on self reliance and personal responsibility. Massive social engineering on the part of liberalism are the principles that liberals believe when basic history and civics aren't part of the liberal agenda. A massive central govt. taking on personal responsibility issues keeps people like you employed. I reject your statements completely as being liberal issues and stances on those issues.

Whatever. :roll:

But now you have your answer so spare us in the future please. :peace
 
Whatever. :roll:

But now you have your answer so spare us in the future please. :peace

Whatever? LOL, that is the liberal response? I will continue to ask the question until someone responds coherently to the Obama economic results and not typical liberal diversion and history re-write
 
Haymarket has dibs on using this quote as a sig.

Actually I like the one I have. Besides, I know what Conservative meant when he wrote that and it would not be intellectually honest to use it.
 
Whatever? LOL, that is the liberal response? I will continue to ask the question until someone responds coherently to the Obama economic results and not typical liberal diversion and history re-write

You will continue to ask the question as an ostrich hiding its head in the sand pretending that it sees nothing, it hears nothing and it knows nothing. The last part being the most important to your crusades.

And each time you do I will have my response at hand ready to illuminate, educate and inform...... if not for you who will not see out of intentional ideological self imposed blindness, but then others who may be of more open mind.
 
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Darkwizard would disagree with you.
That's not my concern.

Furthermore, tax and spend doesn't result in deficits. Spend and borrow does, to which we had decades of under Bush, Clinton, and Reagan. Why tax and spend is considered an insult is really amusing coming from people who allegedly champion balanced books. You are directly insulting something that your entire basis is built from: matching income to spending to prevent debt and deficits.
Yes it does. Higher taxation means less jobs & less investments from the private sector. All you've done here is provide another word for me to use. Thank you for the reminder. So here's a more complete view: BORROW, spend, tax, blame, vacation, accuse BORROW, blame, tax, double down spend, vacation, accuse, BORROW, blame etc...

Liberals, please feel free to add to this growing list ;)

I see you're blaming the past, again SIGH... is there not one liberal on this planet who can answer for the menace that's sitting in the Oval Office now?
 
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Drudge? Is Drudge the mainstream media? Why is it that liberals are so brainwashed that they cannot understand basic principles such as states' rights? Unions constitute 12% of the work force yet a referendum of Ohio promoted by millions of union dollars outside the state of Ohio with at least a 2-1 spending advantage somehow trump legislative changes in Va. and Miss. They also seem to trump the 2010 election results. I seem to recall that liberals today still are ignoring the 2010 elections. I await for you to point out the legislature that switched to Democrats since Obama took office? Keep touting the Union win in Ohio and keep ignoring the silent majority out there that is changing the legislative landscape.

What do States rights have do with this? It seems like it was a friendly thing to that principle. The people of the state of Ohio voted. Did I say the Federal Government should step in and change it?

Spending -- I thought Conservatives called that "Free Speech." While I tend to agree with that, it's speech even when you don't agree with it. "Citizens United" cuts both ways.

Hey that's great that Republicans won legislatures in the South. Though it seems to me that winning elections in Virginia and Mississippi would be like shooting fish in a barrel for them.
 
What do States rights have do with this? It seems like it was a friendly thing to that principle. The people of the state of Ohio voted. Did I say the Federal Government should step in and change it?

Spending -- I thought Conservatives called that "Free Speech." While I tend to agree with that, it's speech even when you don't agree with it. "Citizens United" cuts both ways.

Hey that's great that Republicans won legislatures in the South. Though it seems to me that winning elections in Virginia and Mississippi would be like shooting fish in a barrel for them.

It is the state that pays its public union employees and thus the state taxpayers who should always vote on those kind of issue vs. allowing representatives to be bought by unions with taxpayer money.

Nice spin on Va. a state that Obama won in 2008 and one seen as a swing state. Those that really support Obama are very quiet on this result because they know the signal that this result sends to the nation.
 
It is the state that pays its public union employees and thus the state taxpayers who should always vote on those kind of issue vs. allowing representatives to be bought by unions with taxpayer money.

Nice spin on Va. a state that Obama won in 2008 and one seen as a swing state. Those that really support Obama are very quiet on this result because they know the signal that this result sends to the nation.

Quiet on it????? You have been given a detailed explaination. the problem is not one of being quiet but rather one of intentional deafness when the answer is right before you.

The fact is a simple one: President can most likely lose Virginia and still be elected. It would be far more difficult for him to lose Ohio and still win. 18 is a much larger number than 13.
 
Quiet on it????? You have been given a detailed explaination. the problem is not one of being quiet but rather one of intentional deafness when the answer is right before you.

The fact is a simple one: President can most likely lose Virginia and still be elected. It would be far more difficult for him to lose Ohio and still win. 18 is a much larger number than 13.

Please name for me one, just one State Legislature that has turned Democrat since Obama has been in office? yes, Obama can lose Va. and still win but that is highly unlikely since Va. is so close to D.C. and is representative of what is going on around the country. You want so badly to have a win that you point to the Ohio union vote as that victory when the reality is union money outspent the opposition by more than 2-1 and much of that came from outside the state. The people of Ohio are going to be so outraged when they see the end result of their vote that Ohio will go Republican in 2012 as well. Enjoy your victory in the battle as you lose the war.
 
Please name for me one, just one State Legislature that has turned Democrat since Obama has been in office? yes, Obama can lose Va. and still win but that is highly unlikely since Va. is so close to D.C. and is representative of what is going on around the country. You want so badly to have a win that you point to the Ohio union vote as that victory when the reality is union money outspent the opposition by more than 2-1 and much of that came from outside the state. The people of Ohio are going to be so outraged when they see the end result of their vote that Ohio will go Republican in 2012 as well. Enjoy your victory in the battle as you lose the war.

While you are making predictions that you know will come true, can you give me the winning power ball numbers in next weeks drawing so we cam establish your powers to look into the future are credible?

I believe you support the Citizens United decision on spending money in campaigns don't you? But now you seem to rail against the realities of it when they go against the agenda of ALEC, CATO and the Koch Brothers. Which side of that issue are you on anyways?
 
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While you are making predictions that you know will come true, can you give me the winning power ball numbers in next weeks drawing so we cam establish your powers to look into the future are credible?

I believe you support the Citizens United decision on spending money in campaigns don't you? But now you seem to rail against the realities of it when they go against the agenda of ALEC, CATO and the Koch Brothers. Which side of that issue are you on anyways?

What do you think liberals are doing after the Ohio Union election?
 

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Making an appearance for political purposes? Love the liberal hypocrisy as if liberals care about our service people. Here is who our service people respect

Nope. Just a little local thing and I am just going as me. Not job related at all. But thanks for the kind words :roll:
 
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