obama- 0.7% of the GNP goes to the UN

[bub]

Well we could do it without the UN.

The problem with the UN is that it cannot achieve those objectives of peace and human rights so long as they continue refuse to remove dictators from power.

yes thats a big problem (because of the 5 vetos: US, France, UK, URSS & China)

these vetos should be removed, but the 5 leader countries will refuse as they would loose power

 

[WI Crippler]

yes thats a big problem (because of the 5 vetos: US, France, UK, URSS & China)

these vetos should be removed, but the 5 leader countries will refuse as they would loose power

Well, they'd all have to do it at the same time. Its like doing a shot of whiskey.

 

[aegyptos]

yes thats a big problem (because of the 5 vetos: US, France, UK, URSS & China)

these vetos should be removed, but the 5 leader countries will refuse as they would loose power

Onteresting. Do you think a state such as Sudan or Monaco should have the same ability to influence events in the UN as great powers such as Russia, Great Britain or the United States? If so, under what theory of governance?

 

[Monk-Eye]

Anti-Federalism

"Anti-Federalism"

We have a per-capita GDP of over 40k. We are helping nations with per-capita GDPs of less than 1k.

You forget that this government was founded on republicanism, which at one time had a legitimate connotation beyond its current association with representative government and a puritanical degenerate political party.


The government was founded on the deontology of negative rights, noncoercive government, and directly apportioned taxation - libertarianism, voluntarism, individuality; rather than being founded on the consequentialism of positive rights, coercive government and indirectly apportioned taxation - insidious utilitarianism, bureaucratic collectivism, mob rules.

Centralized government is dangerous.
Anyone that adheres to it is an unprincipled deviant.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Fiat Currencies

"Fiat Currencies"

We have a per-capita GDP of over 40k. We are helping nations with per-capita GDPs of less than 1k.

I felt one more issue was worth mentioning.

A purchasing power parity (link) exchange rate equalizes the purchasing power of different currencies in their home countries for a given basket of goods.

There can be marked differences between PPP and market exchange rates.

This discrepancy has large implications; for instance, GDP per capita in the People's Republic of China is about US$1,800 while on a PPP basis it is about US$7,204.

In other words, PPP is the amount of a certain basket of basic goods which can be bought in the given country with the money it produces.

A Law of One Price (link) is applied so that, for example, an apple in all countries is equally expensive, otherwise the poorest countries would not be able to afford, or have access to staple commodities.

 

[DarkWizard12]

you don't want to police the world?

then why do you attack the UN (0,7% of your GDP) and not your army (5%? 8% of your GDP??)

Because having a strong army is what will keep us alive and protect us from other nations like Belgium who hate america.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Oligarchy Of Madness

"Oligarchy Of Madness"

Well we could do it without the UN.
...
The problem with the UN is that it cannot achieve those objectives of peace and human rights so long as they continue refuse to remove dictators from power.

And in the name of all that is unholy about federalism, hopefully the UN will not ever be endowed with its own military to enforce anything.

 

[Polaris]

You guys really are nuts. I think it’s time to stop believing your own propaganda and get out more.

The total amount is $845 billion over 13 years — from industrialized nations across the globe.

The Congressional Budget Office did a cost-estimate analysis of Obama’s legislation, and found that U.S. responsibilities “would cost less than $1 million per year.”

The RNC spread as many lies as they can and depend on you people taking it all in as gospel. Looks like they’re not going to be disappointed.

 

[bub]

Because having a strong army is what will keep us alive and protect us from other nations like Belgium who hate america.

lol I don't think our army is a huge threat...even for Luxemburg :shock:

 

[Goobieman]

Does anyone disagree with the premise that a major priority of U.S. foreign policy should be to reduce global poverty and eliminate extreme poverty?

Yes.

Its not the US Governemt's job to reduce poverty HERE, say nothing of the rest of the world.

 

[Polaris]

Yes.

Its not the US Governemt's job to reduce poverty HERE, say nothing of the rest of the world.

Who else is going to do it ?

 

[Goobieman]

Who else is going to do it ?

It's not my problem.

It's not yours, either.

However, if you find it your moral duty to do so and would like to make such a thing your personal crusade, that's fine -- but dont try to force me to help pay for it.

 

[Polaris]

It's not my problem.

It's not yours, either.

However, if you find it your moral duty to do so and would like to make such a thing your personal crusade, that's fine -- but dont try to force me to help pay for it.

Fool. No wonder the country is in the state it's in.

 

[Goobieman]

Fool. No wonder the country is in the state it's in.

I'm sorry -- you have a problem with me taking exception to you wanting to force me to help pay for your moral crusade?
Why?

 

[bhkad]

obama's bill in congress-

if he gets his way, the UN will get 0.7 percent of the US Gross National Product, about 845 Billion dollars, to fight world poverty.

your taxes at work, baby- worldwide.

Obama plan ships dollars overseas – by the billions

Obama Pushes Bill That Would Mandate Global Tax

I don't know which is the more galling.

An obviously Socialist program proposed by a U.S. presidential candidate?

That this program seeks to get Americans to pay for welfare for the globe?

That this idea is simply an expanded version of the 1960's U.S. welfare programs which didn't work in the US which means the negative repercussions of the entitlement program will be pushed like a cancer onto the rest of the world and compounded?

The negative affect it will have on the peoples of the world, in effect depriving them of ambition or initiative and turning them into dependents and breeding a global growing mass of 'slugs?'

The ominous New World Order aspects of it.

That the money will be given to the corrupt and American hating UN?

That the amount is estimated to be $845 Billion?

That the bill would also cede some US sovereignty to the UN? (...they'd be legally able to order us around and we'd legally have to obey the U.N.'s orders...)

That Obama and his co-sponsors tried to sneak it on us?

That he refuses to talk about it at all.

Or, that the media scarcely mentions it?

:screwy

This week there are some giant bills looming in Congress, and every American should take note. Just one of them alone would cost us $845 billion over 13 years, and it could be happening as you read this.

Democratic Senator Barack Obama is sponsor of Senate Bill 2433, the “Global Poverty Act.” This beauty of a global tax would force our country to spend 0.7 percent of our gross national product (GNP) on foreign aid over and above what we already give!

The United Nations would decide how best to use the funds. That’s a happy thought.

It would please the world if we raised the money for our allotment with a tax on fossil fuels. After all, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says they are killing us anyway. Isn’t it just like old Harry to be looking out for us?

Lest you think such largesse doesn’t have a chance for passage, be advised that it passed the U.S. House of Representatives last year by a voice vote. To be fair, most members had no idea what lurked in the depths of this legislation because even Obama doesn’t talk about it, certainly not the dollar amounts involved. As with most of these cuddly-sounding giveaways, the sponsors didn’t want to burden us with nasty details of this unfunded mandate on our federal government to pay for the U.N. Millennium Development Goals. Obama says we must make it a priority to reduce global poverty by 2015. He’s such a caring lad.

The U.N. Millennium Declaration affirms the U.N. as “the indispensable common house of the entire human family.” That’s comforting, as we all know what a good accountable job the U.N. has done thus far with their authority.

PHXnews.com | GLOBAL POVERTY ACT and Why Does Obama hide from Frank Marshall Davis?

Or that Obama's supporters go along with it. :crazy3:

 

[bhkad]

You guys really are nuts. I think it’s time to stop believing your own propaganda and get out more.

The total amount is $845 billion over 13 years — from industrialized nations across the globe.

The Congressional Budget Office did a cost-estimate analysis of Obama’s legislation, and found that U.S. responsibilities “would cost less than $1 million per year.”

The RNC spread as many lies as they can and depend on you people taking it all in as gospel. Looks like they’re not going to be disappointed.

You are right that other nations would also participate in this welfare plan but our share WOULD be expected to run about $845 Billion.

If you post the text of the bill maybe we can get it cleared up.

 

[bhkad]

Who else is going to do it ?

Darwin has done it. And without Darwin we might not have had the initiative to achieve what we have, Socialism beyond a certain point robs human beings of their natural instincts to try.

Look at what welfare has done to inner city blacks and rural whites.

Their value systems change over time and a sense of entitlement sets in and they complain, "you need to do more for me...Bitch!"

 

[obvious Child]

You guys really are nuts. I think it’s time to stop believing your own propaganda and get out more.

The total amount is $845 billion over 13 years — from industrialized nations across the globe.

The Congressional Budget Office did a cost-estimate analysis of Obama’s legislation, and found that U.S. responsibilities “would cost less than $1 million per year.”

The RNC spread as many lies as they can and depend on you people taking it all in as gospel. Looks like they’re not going to be disappointed.

Admirable but futile. bhkad and others have put their fingers in their ears and gone "I'm not listening." It's already been pointed out to them that not only is the amount spread out over a long period of time (making it come out to cost less then 9 months of Iraq annually) but that Obama is merely accepting what the Bush Administration agreed to. It's like attacking Clinton for NAFTA but praising HW for starting it. The culture of non-thinking has infected quite a few people here. bhkad himself has already deliberately ignored how reducing poverty by providing job opportunities in certain parts of the world may reduce terrorism.

Again, admirable but futile.

 

[obvious Child]

If you post the text of the bill maybe we can get it cleared up.

The UN Millennium Development Goals

Read up. After all,The Bush Administration agreed to this.

Why aren't you bashing them? Or is that you refuse to apply your standards consistently?

 

[Hatuey]

Yes.

Its not the US Governemt's job to reduce poverty HERE, say nothing of the rest of the world.

He's talking about foreign policy.

 

[Goobieman]

He's talking about foreign policy.

This affects my statement... how?

 

[Polaris]

I'm not going to post the entire bill - some of the words may be a bit long for some. How about the CBO report :

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/90xx/doc9082/s2433.pdf

Now move - get off your chair and question these wingnuts who feed you these lies

 

[Goobieman]

I'm not going to post the entire bill - some of the words may be a bit long for some. How about the CBO report :

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/90xx/doc9082/s2433.pdf

Now move - get off your chair and question these wingnuts who feed you these lies

You have a problem with me taking exception to you wanting to force me to help pay for your moral crusade?
Why?

 

[Polaris]

You have a problem with me taking exception to you wanting to force me to help pay for your moral crusade?
Why?

I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

No crusade here - I just thought it would be interesting to show people the truth for once. To be honest it's not interesting at all. If you and the other wingnuts are content to be force fed a pack of lies, go for it.

 

[Goobieman]

I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057689281-post39.html

No crusade here - I just thought it would be interesting to show people the truth for once.

The truth is that poverty, across the world or here at home, isnt a problem for the US government to fix.