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Obama ‘Strongly Objects’ to Religious Liberty Amendment

ChezC3 said:
this would do nothing of the sort..

the same could be said about the fellow soldier who likes other men, no? Or is that throwing them back in the closet?
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Let me make it easier for you, under no circumstances should a Soldier be allowed to verbally abuse another Soldier for religious reasons or beliefs.
 
Wiseone said:
Let me make it easier for you, under no circumstances should a Soldier be allowed to verbally abuse another Soldier for religious reasons or beliefs.
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Let me make it easier for you, I never said they should...
 
ChezC3 said:
What, that you're splitting hairs? Yeah, I caught that, that's why I doubled down... Does it matter if he wrote a 3000 word essay as the title using the word "God" exclusively? No. Never punished and never relieved, eh? See at least I provided evidence for the point I was making. It may or may not be incomplete, I don't know, but now you, oh, you, you're trying to discredit something by basically saying "Cuz I said so..." No link, no proof, and you got the stones to try and act all arrogant, like you've accomplished something... At least I brought something.. I've had it correct from the jump, and why bring conservatives into this? I'm not one, you sure as hell ain't one, so the reason for your non sequitur is?????? You think Christians are disingenuous for what reason specifically? Another because "you said so" arguments? and now you make up the completely fallacious argument that because Christians outnumber gays that that somehow means they, what? can't be persecuted? or that it isn't as severe? Is ANY persecution is acceptable? I don't believe so, but like I said before, and you're clearly showing the tell tale signs, discrimination and persecution is OK so long as it is against people you "have a low tolerance for"...

Tsk...Tsk..:naughty and you call yourself progressive...
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Ah there ya go again, trying to twist this into hatin' GAWD Fearin' Folks. :roll:

There is a HUGE difference to many of us, maybe not you, but to many of us between Christians and the 'Christianity is under attack' CROWD so try and look at an entire thought. not splitting hairs, defining the group who sees the majority religion of this country as some poor downtrodden minority...

Anyone who can type google finds the REAL story behind the false accusations made. The flute player has already been hashed out in another thread, he had no 'career ending' reprimand. You can easily google the DoD stance on chaplains and NOT having to perform same sex marriages. The Air Force Chaplain rip-off of the late Paul Harvey poem... all online.

Point to some REAL persecution and then we can talk, all you do is claim it happens but a quick google search shows you have it quite twisted.

Keep trying to twist what I say, no one is buying your brand of hash.

I don't ridicule Christians or have a low tolerance for them, just the 'we be picked on' subset that thinks obeying the rules isn't for them because of their religion.

Twist it all you want, but anyone can read what i typed and see you are way off base.

But then again the entire poor picked on bunch rhetoric is way off base as well.
 
ChezC3 said:
Let me make it easier for you, I never said they should...
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That's what this amendment means "accommodate ‘actions and speech’ reflecting the conscience, moral, principles or religious beliefs of the member." I'm sorry but the military should not be forced to accomodate whatever you say because its your religious belief.
 
notquiteright said:
Ah there ya go again, trying to twist this into hatin' GAWD Fearin' Folks. :roll:

There is a HUGE difference to many of us, maybe not you, but to many of us between Christians and the 'Christianity is under attack' CROWD so try and look at an entire thought. not splitting hairs, defining the group who sees the majority religion of this country as some poor downtrodden minority...

Anyone who can type google finds the REAL story behind the false accusations made. The flute player has already been hashed out in another thread, he had no 'career ending' reprimand. You can easily google the DoD stance on chaplains and NOT having to perform same sex marriages. The Air Force Chaplain rip-off of the late Paul Harvey poem... all online.

Point to some REAL persecution and then we can talk, all you do is claim it happens but a quick google search shows you have it quite twisted.

Keep trying to twist what I say, no one is buying your brand of hash.

I don't ridicule Christians or have a low tolerance for them, just the 'we be picked on' subset that thinks obeying the rules isn't for them because of their religion.

Twist it all you want, but anyone can read what i typed and see you are way off base.

But then again the entire poor picked on bunch rhetoric is way off base as well.
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I'm not twisting a thing and you're right, anyone who has read your posts can plainly see their content, filled with double standards, obtuse remarks, and logical inconsistencies...
 
Wiseone said:
That's what this amendment means "accommodate ‘actions and speech’ reflecting the conscience, moral, principles or religious beliefs of the member." I'm sorry but the military should not be forced to accomodate whatever you say because its your religious belief.
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How you took
"accommodate ‘actions and speech’ reflecting the conscience, moral, principles or religious beliefs of the member."
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and gleaned
You mean if one of my Soldiers were to verbally abuse another Soldier about his sexual perferences
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Really is, ........interesting...
 
ChezC3 said:
I'm not twisting a thing and you're right, anyone who has read your posts can plainly see their content, filled with double standards, obtuse remarks, and logical inconsistencies...
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Believe what you wish, is a free country, no matter what some on the Religious Right claim. :2wave:
 
ChezC3 said:
How you took

and gleaned

Really is, ........interesting...
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If a Soldier verbally abuses another Soldier over his sexual preference because its against the religious beliefs of the first Soldier than how would I probably address the situation while being told to accomedate his speech?
 
notquiteright said:
Believe what you wish, is a free country, no matter what some on the Religious Right claim. :2wave:
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and that's what this really is all about, making sure it stays that way...
 
Wiseone said:
If a Soldier verbally abuses another Soldier over his sexual preference because its against the religious beliefs of the first Soldier than how would I probably address the situation while being told to accomedate his speech?
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No one has said that verbal abuse is allowed, no verbal abuse, where re you getting this verbal abuse, no one has expressed an interest in allowing verbal abuse?!?!?
 
ChezC3 said:
and that's what this really is all about, making sure it stays that way...
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As long as you can keep it factual I am right there, the SECOND a 'poor downtrodden Christians' in the USofA thread starts the laughter will commence. :peace
 
ChezC3 said:
Obama



Ain't that the concerns he cast side and told everyone to deal with when he got rid of DADT?

Oh that's right, tolerance isn't for those kind of people...
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Perhaps the military is not the place for religious zealots? It is after all the often the mission of the military to KILL people. I believe there is a Commandment about that.
 
ChezC3 said:
Yes, I suppose I am, but incomplete how exactly? Given the current climate and the complete disregard Obama has shown for religious Liberty, I figured it wasn't necessary to "dig deeper".
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Of course. The hatred for Obama makes the need for facts irrelevant
 
sangha said:
Of course. The hatred for Obama makes the need for facts irrelevant
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Oh, of course, don't present how I was incomplete, or show me where the information was incorrect, just keep on with making unsubstantiated denials...
 
iguanaman said:
Perhaps the military is not the place for religious zealots? It is after all the often the mission of the military to KILL people. I believe there is a Commandment about that.
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Perhaps some don't view being able to freely express their beliefs is zealotry. Free Speech? nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof(religion) I believe there is an Amendment about that...
 
notquiteright said:
As long as you can keep it factual I am right there, the SECOND a 'poor downtrodden Christians' in the USofA thread starts the laughter will commence. :peace
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Right. we got your point, only certain people deserve rights in your world, Christians in the military -- Not one of them...
 
Christians in the military have no more rights than any other religion, or no religion, they're not entitled to the special treatment some want.
 
ChezC3 said:
Oh, of course, don't present how I was incomplete, or show me where the information was incorrect, just keep on with making unsubstantiated denials...
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Of course, just keep denying that no one has explained the facts which contradict your simplistic mischaracterization.
 
ChezC3 said:
Perhaps some don't view being able to freely express their beliefs is zealotry. Free Speech? nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof(religion) I believe there is an Amendment about that...
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The Amendment that applies here is make no law establishing a State Religion.
 
sangha said:
Of course, just keep denying that no one has explained the facts which contradict your simplistic mischaracterization.
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Of course, ridicule and opinion this is what's passed off as facts, got it! :thumbs:
 
Manc Skipper said:
Christians in the military have no more rights than any other religion, or no religion, they're not entitled to the special treatment some want.
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I don't recall it being a Christian liberty amendment, but I do recall a ReligiousLiberty amendment...


there's only one group looking for that special treatment, Constitutional Rights of others be damned...
 
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ChezC3 said:
I don't recall it being a Christian liberty amendment, but I do recall a ReligiousLiberty amendment...


there's only one group looking for that special treatment, Constitutional Rights of others be damned...
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You keep on telling yourself that, while the rest of us move on.
 
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